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Juggling too much reading material at the same time... Thanks. See images below, in order. "A Companion of BOWEN, MacFarland..." While the Lee H OswalJ is listed here our man was not on this bus... The line under BOWEN and MacFarland is supposed to ID another person, same name - a spouse. The 2nd doc below blows this man's cooperation intent out of the water by stating there were no other English-speaking people on that FLECHA ROJAS bus. (MacFarlands and the Aussie's took Del Norte, AND SPOKE ENGLISH yet where put on this baggage list... along with Bowen and OSWALJ) The Feb 23, 1964 doc is the first I found connecting the 2 men... The 2nd to bottom doc established the man BOWEN spoke of was Mexican, older, darker and CARRIED A SMALL BROWN ZIPPERED BAG This will be the same colored bag attributed to Oswald repeatedly in relation to Mexico... yet if you look at his personal inventory All we have is a BLACK/BLUE ZIPPERED POUCH - bottom image, 3rd set of stuff, 3 from the top.... The BROWN zippered bag is inserted into virtually everyone's description of this man... his description is nothing like DURAN's or Azcue's...
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HART was was of the only ones reporting on these relationships... I realize they are after the fact... are we to suppose they/he did not ask "T-1" about, or be told about these connections prior to 11/22? If RUBY was a POI in the summer of '63... how could the DPD not know about a RUBY/OSWALD relationship?
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http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/ The FOX autopsy images
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As I look again, it seems to me an overexposure to obscure what’s beneath... you can still see the bottom end of the V shaped abrasion to the right... but then the rest of what appears like a tear just becomes that circle, the top of which looks “burned”... fwiw
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Is that even possible after a 130dB muzzle blast 10 feet from his head? wouldn't ears be ringing pretty badly after 1 shot let alone 3? It's as if he needed to be convinced a shot was even fired.... 3 black men in TX... what would you expect them to tell the DPD? The photo I posted was from the famous FOX series... the round black "thing" is part of the photo... another reason we know zapruder was altered... and a headshot was from the front... This black sharpie looking patch is on frame 323... a few frames later you can make out the opening at the back of his head.... One last thing to blow your mind... Depending on whether we talk about the front or rear of the limo, or where JFK was in the limo, this all determines the frame #. The SS used the rear bumper for the shot near 5+00, for shot #2 on the blue plat we also have the rear bumper yet z313 would then be the FRONT bumper and not where JFK was... This is only part of the story of how 5 and more shots was reduced to 2 hits.... and one curb. DJ
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Welcome to the forum Colm... and yes, whether thru or just outside the corner windows, a shot from Dal-Tex roof would indeed appear as a 6th floor TSBD shot.... Except JFK was shot from the front and to his right.. maybe the manhole cover was hit from there? .
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JB - Noel was one of Dulles' double agents... Field developed a roster of several hundred refugees whom he attempted to help emigrate. Unlike some members of the Unitarian Service Committee and Fry, Field did not face hostility from staff at the U.S. Embassy in Marseilles for his activities, possibly because he sent many of his refugee clients to Switzerland, rather than to the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Field World War II Jewish youth liberated at Buchenwald lean out a train marked Hitler kaput ("Hitler [is] finished") en route to an OSE home in Ecouis, France. In October 1940, Field resigned his post in Geneva and in 1941 became director of the American Unitarian Universalist Service Committee's relief mission in Marseilles, providing relief for endangered Jewish refugees including antifascists and leftists, and helping many to flee to Switzerland.[8] Field began a major collaboration with the Organization to Save the Children (OSE), a French Jewish humanitarian organization, and its Marseilles director, Joseph Weill. The two organizations later shared the same offices in Marseilles and Noel Field, with help from his wife, set up kindergartens in the Camp de Rivesaltes. The Fields worked with a number of French Jewish women and collaborated with OSE to liberate Jewish children from French internment camps both openly if possible and covertly if the camp director would not cooperate. Also beginning in early 1941, Noel Field established an extensive medical program to provide aid to Jewish refugees in hiding, those waiting to emigrate, or those held in internment camps. Drawing on the medical expertise of some of the Jewish refugees, Field developed a team of about 20 medical doctors, dentists, and nurses, some with international reputations. From his contacts in Switzerland, he acquired medicines and nutritional supplements that were extraordinarily hard to obtain. With the American Friends Service Committee, and his lead doctor, Rene Zimmer, Field implemented a nutritional survey of many thousands of the refugees interned in French camps and provided additional food for those in greatest need.[17] During this period, Field worked with the Nîmes Committee, a network of about 30 relief organizations in Vichy France and maintained congenial ties with Varian Fry and other relief workers who viewed him as a dedicated humanitarian who seemed to be working himself into exhaustion and nervous collapse. Field developed a roster of several hundred refugees whom he attempted to help emigrate. Unlike some members of the Unitarian Service Committee and Fry, Field did not face hostility from staff at the U.S. Embassy in Marseilles for his activities, possibly because he sent many of his refugee clients to Switzerland, rather than to the U.S. In 1942, Robert Dexter, director of the Unitarian Service Committee, recruited Field to pass information to the U.S. intelligence service Office of Strategic Services (OSS). When the Germans occupied the rest of France in November 1942, the Fields escaped from Marseilles and re-established a refugee program in Geneva. In 1944, Field returned to southern France, traveling with the French guerrilla, the Maquis, and with the approval of Allen Dulles before the area was fully liberated. He arranged for a colleague, Herta Tempi, to establish a small office in Paris as a relief project for the Unitarian Service Committee.[17] In his relief activities, Field came into contact with a number of communist and antifascist refugees and exiles from Germany and elsewhere and used his position to relay information among various groups. During the war years, Field, based in Switzerland, continued to work on behalf of refugees, including antifascists and communists who, after the war, would assume positions of power in Eastern Europe. Field served Allen Dulles, then head of the OSS and later of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), as liaison to Communist resistance fighters when they were needed for OSS operations. Dulles had first met Field in Zürich in 1918 at the home of Field's father. The two had often seen each other in Washington D.C., when both worked at the State Department. Dulles hoped Field could use his Communist connections in Switzerland and Germany to shed light on Stalin's postwar objectives in Europe.[18]
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It was a hunch simply due to the facts about where they were during the war and at the end of it... I'm pretty sure Dulles had a big hand in Operation Paperclip... but as I keep looking, not so much for Angleton who was subordinate... DJ JB... check this https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/attach/48/48237_Allen Welsh Dulles,3.pdf After the war in Europe, Dulles served for six months as the OSS Berlin station chief. In 1947, Congress created the Central Intelligence Agency. Dulles was closely involved with its development. His translator at this time was Henry Kissinger, who worked for Army Intelligence. Dulles' CIA Operation Paperclip assimilated Nazi scientists into the American establishment by obscuring their histories and short circuiting efforts to disclose their true identities to the public, over time stonewalling them into national acceptance. The project was led by profiled officers in the United States Army, who were given too much political latitude without political experience. From 1943 to 1947, the humongous figure of Nazi Germany cadre, the brain drain, imported by this unit into USA, Canada and South America left no record “secreted” for the Germanic brotherhood to survive the age among their brethren in the western hemisphere…. President Truman authorized Operation Paperclip in August 1945; however he expressly ordered that anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party (suspected ‘war criminal’) and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism" would be excluded. Under this criterion many of the scientists recruited were outright ineligible, including Wernher von Braun, Arthur Rudolph and Hubertus Strughold, who were all officially on record as Nazis and listed as a “menace to the security of the Allied Forces." However, all were illegally cleared to work in the U.S. after having their backgrounds "falsified" by the U.S. Army Intelligence; faked employment histories provided, and their previous Nazi affiliations expunged from the official record. The paperclips that secured newly-minted background details to their personnel files gave the operation its name. Thereby such pictorial logotypes and acronyms galore characterized by the mentality of the Anglo-Saxon elite, which uses such gimmicks in their paperwork and arcane verbiage to secret them and/or, at the same time, to make it easier to recognize the concept for the lack of literacy. After all, the wider Yankee if not the Limey elite is illiterate, therefrom the acronymization… In a sense, just like the religious icon without text, or the racy political poster, which historically, just the image, moved the illiterate masses to action, without promotional or explanatory verbiage, i.e. there was no need for the 3-Rs. Ironically, I often use the ‘graphic’ gesture myself to drive the written point home, of course, to the same elite, tsk? tsk!
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Of course John.... so we have to accept that "Harvey" and/or the Oswald Project had to do with Soviet infiltration... Communist intel... an area in which the CIA and US intel was woefully short. You make a good point about mothers/caretakers and sons which highly suggests to us that both mothers had to be aware... Robert MUST have known and John Edward (Mr. Fuhrman) seems to have been coerced into playing along. (Any pressure put on the PIC family in regards to deporting the Fuhrman family ..??? ( just a thought) One ought to also question the story Ozzie told about "finding Communism" at such a young age and via a pamphlet... given that comes from HARVEY I'd be very wary about its authenticity. So I believe we must conclude that little Harvey was pre-disposed to the Communist way of life.... is this because he was, or was "trained" to be more accepting thereby making it easier down the line to get a man into Russia. (The defection programs of the late 50's early 60's just screams Dulles/Angleton et al as they too knew they were losing the Intel wars.) The travels of Webster and Oswald are eerily similar and with the trouble Otto gets into over Oswald and defectors... yet we don't see the same things with Webster and the others on the defectors list as we have with H&L... in terms of the duplicity. As to the assassination... the plans and contingency plans should Ozzie have gotten hit by a bus the weekend previous to the 22nd included other patsies and other cities... Always wondered what would have been if VALLEE was the patsy or if the assassination happened in Tampa. Ozzie was just trying to do the right thing at the wrong place at the wrong time and was sacrificed, as so many pawns are in a good chess match.
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People ain't gonna learn what they don't wanna know Jim.... Always have, always will.... a few come to mind....
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Useful JFKA Books For a Toilet Paper Crisis?
David Josephs replied to W. Niederhut's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
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Thanks.... I did find this RIF cover page, now we need to find the document... The department of STATE was handling all this - and from studying Mexico City it seems to me that STATE and CIA were on one page while the FBI was on another... Interesting this doc is CIA originated... now let's find it.... not sure why that letter is not it's own CE COLLECTION OF RIF PAGES FROM OSWALD 201 FILE, VOLUME 13
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Jim... what is the CE # for that letter from Oswald? Can't seem to put my fingers on it... and I'll take a little time today and see what turns up on Petrov DJ FWIW - when researching the possible source for the rifle Samuel Cummings of INTERARMCO is ex-CIA whose sister married JOHN TOWER.... and was one of 3 companies bidding for the same rifles as Adams (Feldsott)... yet them and Century Int'l Arms (the other massive surplus weapons retailer) were barely investigated... Figuring he could do much of the same on his own, he left the CIA in 1953 and started his own business, International Arms Corporation or Interarmco, in Alexandria, Virginia. The world was flooded with arms after World War Two and the charismatic Cummings used his CIA contacts and arms expertise to build up huge stockpiles and began to sell them to individuals and governments everywhere. His sister married an United States senator from Texas, John Tower which helped to improve his contacts. Through his friends he was awarded contracts to arm the allies of the Americans and British. He didn't downplay his CIA ties, he named one of his companies Cummings Investment Associates And then we have our infamous "less-than-6-degrees-of-separation". Despite there being a number of false leads re: that rifle (Nat Pinkston & H. Holmes come to mind) the FBI settled on FEDLSOTT and Adams... which suggests to me he was probably the only one NOT involved but willing to cooperate... didn't want anyone looking too closely at Interarmco or Century Int'l Arms (C.I.A.) In the summer and fall of 1958, Donald Edward Browder, the ex-Canadian pilot who was reported to be involved with Ruby since the late 1940s, was arrested for smuggling guns to Castro. Browder was later sentenced to three years in prison for this (Scott Malone's memorandum, dated September 19, 1977 in Ruby file, Assassination Archives, Washington DC): “Browder [was] in a US prison serving three years for a conviction of receiving, transporting, and possessing stolen Canadian securities. The securities were stolen from the Brockville Savings and Trust company and two other Canadian financial institutions. While the FBI supplied several reports to the Warren Commission concerning Browder, including his denial about knowing Ruby, they withheld hundreds of reports from Browder's file which illuminated his extensive involvement in gun smuggling to Cuba and the stolen Canadian securities. Both the gun smuggling to Cuba and the stolen Canadian securities were activities controlled by Norman Rothman. Rothman admits to knowing Browder. On July 7, 1961, Browder gave a sworn deposition to the American Surety Company in which he stated that he had obtained the stolen securities he was arrested for ($136,000) from the 26th of July Movement, Fidel Castro's revolutionary group, in exchange for arms during the summer and fall of 1958. Browder stated that he had obtained the weapons from the International Armament Corporation (InterArmco) in Alexandria, Virginia, starting in late May and early June of 1958. Browder was apparently the purchasing agent for the Rothman gun-running operation to Castro's forces. According to a memorandum of a House Un-American Activities Committee investigator, Cubans driving station wagons and small trucks were purchasing automatic weapons from InterArmco at this time with the approval of the CIA. [CIA agent] Frank Sturgis has admitted to being involved with this operation at this same time. Efren Pichardo, associate of Browder, has also admitted to being involved in this operation (he drove a station wagon) at the exact same time with Sturgis. Pichardo was working for Browder at the time. Pichardo also confirmed that many of the weapons were hidden in the marshes of Islmorada, Florida, where Ruby has been identified by independent witnesses as "babysitting" a large arms cache. .... While Browder has ample underworld connections, he is not lacking in intelligence connections either. Browder claims to have known the chief of intelligence for the Mexican Air Force, as well as a Canadian Minister of Defense. His "rap sheet" reveals that although he had numerous arrests, he spent relatively little time behind bars.
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Let's add one more piece of evidence which helps illustrate that what was attributed to BECKLEY was BS... On the way back into the US from Mexico a passenger must show evidence of having had a Smallpox Vaccination or be stopped and interred at the Vaccination section and officially/formally vaccinated with documentation. This is what they claim they FOUND when they came back Saturday after taking the TURNER EXH LIST of stuff... Nothing on a STOVALL exhibit comes from Beckley... TURNER does not list a STAMP KIT or VACCINATION and please notice that the STAMP KIT ITSELF does not have the tell-tale initials of the DPD officers assigned to inspect, initial and inventory the items given to the FBI... nor does the VACCINATION have these initials... So we have even more amazing pieces of evidence which magically appear at 1026 N Beckley, on the SECOND DAY of searching an 8x10 room with 1 dresser and no closet. There is an FBI report explaining how there is no DR. A. J. HIDEEL in New Orleans or anywhere for that matter... notice how the signature matches the Lee Oswald signature, especially the small "d" & "l", and the angle of the "H".... The mixture of script and block lettering has also interested me... but that's another conversation To avoid yet another encounter to explain away, the FBI sneaks in a VACCINATION CERTIFICATE signed by Dr. HIDEEL and dated JUNE 8, 1963... better yet, it is said to have been found at Beckley... Now we've seen the photo of the 11/23 "haul" of evidence and in fact, there is no STAMP KIT there or the VACCINATION CERT... This particular inventory sheet was NOT PREPARED BY THE DPD but the FBI. Interesting batch of evidence, no? The sign here says 11/23 from BECKLEY... yet many things are listed from the 11/22 search on the TURNER Exhibit....
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Amazing coincidence that he was also an informant for the FBI I mean how lucky can a man get? Mark, can you tell us if you know whether this man is Bill Shelley? Yes, the Misc Manager at the TSBD and Oswald's boss in a few months from these photos Take care DJ
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Thanks Bill.... One of my biggest stumbling blocks for ANY American being there is the reaction of AZCUE... According to AMMUG/1, AZCUE should have seen the opportunity in Oswald to turn an American into a double agent... or at the very least question him as an intelligence officer should have.... but no such luck... AZCUE claiming he just runs this crazy man off is terribly hard to accept... when those in his position SHOULD be looking for assets every day... I mean, wasn't that his real job there... to be a spy? DJ Furthermore, why would LITAMIL/7&9 lie about Oswald NOT being there if it was up to them to support the company line? Their reply about Oswald was on the 23rd and 27th of Nov
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They seem to all have come from the "findagrave" site... I entered these search terms and all 5 or 6 pages came up first in the images list....https://www.google.com/search?q=Edwin+Ekdahl+Marriage+China&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS820US820&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA2IW1yYboAhXQrJ4KHUVUDioQ_AUoAnoECAsQBA&biw=1920&bih=937 Not sure if you're aware or not, but no divorce papers were ever found in Mass. for Rasmine and Edwin... (see SS report below) "Edwin Ekdahl was a 55-year-old engineer, originally from Boston, who was working for Ebasco Services of New York City.(34) Ekdahl had separated from his wife (Rasmine Ekdahl) a year earlier and was working in New Orleans. The couple had one child, Dewey Ekdahl, who lived with his mother in Boston."
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This I believe is Sylvia at an Alpha 66 camp... And 2 men who a number of researchers feel were Leopoldo and Angelo ... Bernardo del Torres and Ed Collins respectively Joan Mellon tells us that Angelo may have been "Angelo Murgado" yet he tells a different story about the initial Odio meeting than the sisters claiming he and Leopoldo drove alone with Oswald already at the Odio's when they arrived.... FWIW
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Andrej - the topic is Beckley and your argument, as I've made for many years, is he changed clothes at some point before being arrested.... Mr. BALL. I'm talking about this "O. H. Lee" signature on this document; he signed that on that date?Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.Mr. BALL. Did he give you the money?Mr. BALL. $8? (DJ: Never do get an answer to the "$8?" question, do we?)Mr. BALL. Did you ever know his true name was Lee Harvey Oswald?Mrs. JOHNSON. No; not until we Mr. BALL. On that day?Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir; the day he rented the room, they sign the register--they sign the register before I accept any money. Mr. BALL. How many tenants did you have in October last year?Mrs. JOHNSON. You know, I'm sorry I didn't bring my register. I couldn't tell you exactly; I imagine I had about 10 or 12. Andrej - this is now APRIL 1964.... She goes on to say how business suffered due to the association with Oswald... yet without the register she cannot NOW SAY that Oswald lived there in Oct/Nov 1963? Mr. BALL. Was it full?Mrs. JOHNSON. No; I don't--I most always have vacancies.Mr. BALL. You do?Mrs. JOHNSON. I have had more even since this happened.Mr. BALL. Oh, you have?Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes; I have; people are funny about things like that, you know----Mr. BALL. Well, now, you knew Lee Oswald, didn't you?Mrs. JOHNSON. Well, I just knew him when I seen him. I knew him as a renter, that's all.Mr. BALL. Where was he when you first met him, at what place?Mrs. JOHNSON. At my home--I was between serving hours and I come home for relaxation and to kind of help out. I cooperate in keeping the house and seeing after it, too, and I had returned home that afternoon and he seen the room for rent sign--the first time that he came by, I happened to have just rented the last room that one time. Occasionally, I will have them full and then they just go vacant; people just come in and out, stay a week and then are gone, anyway, at that time, I didn't have a room.Mr. BALL. The first time he came to see you?Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes; that's something about 3 weeks before he came back.Mr. BALL. This was 1026 North Beckley?Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes. Mr. BALL. We will make a picture of this and give it back to you.Mrs. JOHNSON. May I have something to erase this November 13, 15--I got that wrong, anyway. I was looking at the calendar and this, I was thinking it was November 13 that he left he left my place on a Wednesday before this assassination on Friday. Looks like 11-18-63 to me, as well as written in one sitting... they didn't have lined paper in 1963? So Andrej... where is NOV 13 and/or 15? btw - what is 3 weeks prior to Oct 14, 1963? weeks leading up to Sept 23, 1963..(4905 Magazine), Sept 30? (WCR says Mexico, while I've been saying Dallas since I discovered that was what the evidence supported) By accident, Mrs. J here confirms there were either 2 men representing themselves as Oswald in 2 different places 3 weeks prior to O.H. LEE being scribbled on a piece of paper FOR ONE WEEK - Andrej... she has a register: "they sign the register before I accept any money." Uh, not so much. And I'm sure if I go back over this whole thread this point has been repeatedly made. the evidence for his LIVING there is terribly thin and self-contradicting... and the POINT I still think, is the ability for this man to move around and be places while most think he's somewhere else.... the more confusion the less chance of anyone accepting a conflicting story. But I have to shout out to those moving this forward and pointing out this sheet of paper... everything remains connected... the man is said to have returned from MEXICO Oct 3rd and is at the PAINE's yet brings nothing for his child from Mexico nor anything else that would suggest ot either Ruth or Marina that he'd been to Mexico - that is until AFTER the 22nd.... of course. Mr. JENNER - When was the first time that you heard, or had any notice of the fact that this man had been in Mexico, or possibly may have been in Mexico?Mrs. PAINE - They are two different questions. I will answer the first one. I heard that he had been in Mexico after the assassination in one of the papers So thank you - Ed especially - for confirming by accident that Oswald was not in Mexico but in Dallas as I suspected.... and he didn't go to Houston but to AUSTIN... before Dallas that is. Mr. BALL. The pistol holster is what they found?Mrs. JOHNSON. Pistol holster is what I'm trying to say.Mr. BALL. They found that after the assassination?Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes sir; I seen the holster.Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen it before?Mrs. JOHNSON. No, sir; he kept that packed away. We never go through people's personal things. I instruct my housekeeper never go through people's personal things. We are not in a position to do that and its rude and we de not Andrej.... how would she knows it was "packed away" if they never go through his things... that's a pure assumption on her part... and as I've shown you repeatedly, the DPD/FBI try to disclaim the physical evidence of the holster - what they are saying basically is that he takes the hidden holster with the pistol in it, takes the pistol out and then LEAVES THE HOLSTER HANGING ON A DOOR? instead of just taking the entire thing... Mr. JOHNSON. Well, they wanted to see the records, and we showed them--the register, I mean--and we showed them the register. And then they searched his room.Mr. BELIN. You showed them the register with this name of O. H. Lee?Mr. JOHNSON. That's right. I keep going back to the Johnson/Roberts testimonies... and then read Ed's work... bottom line Andrej is you must believe EARLENE ROBERTS who Mrs. J hires and fires 3 times. Mrs. JOHNSON. Well, she would just get to being disagreeable with renters and I don't know, she has a lot of handicaps. She has an overweight problem and she has some habits that some people have to understand to tolerate. Mr. BALL. What are they? Mrs. JOHNSON. Talking just sitting down and making up tales, you know, have you ever seen people like that? Just have a creative mind, there's nothing to it, and just make up and keep talking until she just makes a lie out of it. Listen, I'm telling you the truth and this isn't to go any further, understand that? You have to know these things because you are going to question this lady. I will tell you, she's just as intelligent--I think she is a person that doesn't mean to do that but she just does it automatically. It seems as though that she, oh, I don't know, wants to be attractive or something at times. I just don't know; I don't understand it myself. I only wish I did. Rereading the testimonies - where does it say they took anything more than that HOLSTER from that room? =================== I think we both agree that PM is Oswald... yes? (The cookie cutter FBI questionnaire asked whether anyone sees Oswald during the assassination - when you'd be looking at JFK - and of course they all say no.... Ms. Arnold's statement puts him in proximity of the PM spot within minutes of the motorcade.... Hughes showing who Andrej? Who is the person directly behind the black man a step or so lower? And then seconds later the person is where Shelley was in Altgens with PM recessed into the corner... From what I've seen, there is nothing which shows Lovelady's movements across the landing and closer to Frazier who simply does not appear in a pre-motorcade image on those steps... If you choose to make that stand using the Prayerman image... fine... I use BLEDSOE's testimony, the mess that is WHALEY's testimony... and while the interrogation notes mention buses and taxis, we seem to be forgetting Roger Craig's testimony which negates the use of a bus, for that Oswald (not going there here) There is NO CONTENTION by me that his clothes are different... even Oswald doesn't wear a ripped shirt, missing buttons, to work. Yet as I say above - you'll need a whole bunch more evidence supporting Oswald actually living there than Earlene...