David Josephs

Jim... If he USED THE TRANSFER - how could it still be in his pocket? Or am I asking the wrong question here....

The answer to the thread's topic is a resounding NO.... (When is the FBI - who has been monitoring his mail thru the first months of 1963 - aware of his ordering and picking up both a rifle and a pistol... as there are no contemporaneous reports mentioning these activities.... all physical evidence incriminating Oswald comes into existence on Nov 22 and after, as if it never existed before.... amazing.) Oswald would have needed a plan.... According to Wesley, he does not ask for a ride home until Thursday... Here's my take on what his "plan" would need to involve.... https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-on-november-22-1963 But then again most ain't gonna learn what they don't wanna know.... DJ

If you look at a map, Neches and Beckley do no intersect anywhere... Neches, the entire street, is NORTH of the rooming house and begins west of Zang. Elsbeth and Neches intersect though... Whaley is asked to mark this exhibit with his route... Mr. WHALEY. I am trying to find Beckley, the green light changed from red to green on Beckley, right here is an intersection; Zangs Boulevard goes on up, and Beckley turns off. Mr. BALL. Here is Neches right here. Mr. WHALEY. Let me see where Neches is, is that right? Yes, that is it.This is the intersection right there. Mr. BALL. We put an "X" there. Mr. WHALEY. That is where he got off. Mr. BALL. That is where you dropped your passenger, is that right? Mr. WHALEY. That is--as far as I can see that is Neches. Mr. BALL. That is Neches, that is Beckley. Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is right, because that is the 500 block of North Beckley. That would ACTUALLY be the 1100 block of N Beckley, where Neches would cross https://goo.gl/maps/NxB3W3yfJUFWQTdDA Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; that is not what I said, but that is the reason I didn't call one at the time and I asked him where he wanted to go. And he said, "500 North Beckley."Well, I started up, I started to that address, and the police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere, just a big uproar in that end of town and I said, "What the hell. I wonder what the hell is the uproar?" And he never said anything. So I figured he was one of these people that don't like to talk so I never said any more to him.But when I got pretty close to 500 block at Neches and North Beckley which is the 500 block, he said, "This will do fine," and I pulled over to the curb right there. He gave me a dollar bill, the trip was 95 cents. He gave me a dollar bill and didn't say anything, just got out and closed the door and walked around the front of the cab over to the other side of the street. Of course, traffic was moving through there and I put it in gear and moved on, that is the last I saw of him. Mr. BALL. When you parked your car you parked on what street? Mr. WHALEY. I wasn't parked, I was pulled to the curb on Neches and North Beckley. Mr. BALL. Neches, corner of Neches and North Beckley? Mr. WHALEY. Which is the 500 block. Mr. BALL. What direction was your car? Mr. WHALEY. South. Dave... show us the intersection of Beckley/Neches at the 500 block of Beckley please... Mr. WHALEY. You name an intersection in the city of Dallas and I will tell you what is on all four corners. Mr. BALL. Did you stop and let your passenger out on this run on the north or south side of the intersection? Mr. WHALEY. On the north side, sir. Mr. BALL. North side? Mr. WHALEY. Yes. Mr. BALL. That would be-- Mr. WHALEY. Northwest corner. Mr. BALL. Northwest corner of Neches and Beckley? Mr. WHALEY. Northwest corner of Neches and Beckley.

500 block is further south... which is why most maps cut off at Jefferson... where Hill, Croy, Scoggins, and others were ...leading to Tippit. Is a fascinating study... and, as mentioned above, also the location of El Chico restaurant. ...I believe Vag had a red Falcon... just can’t find the doc

FWIW, Life Mag made alterations to the original image to bring out or reduce detail in diff areas of the image, especially around the scope.... Shaneyfelt Exh 14... strangely, they use an Oswald Stand-in for some of the shirt photos...

FWIW... If I remember correctly, The DPD substation which Hill speeds off to after seeing the ambulance is located at 500 Beckley... In Whaley’s handwritten notes it says 500 block a number of times as the place dropped off ”when we get in the 500 block N Beckley he says this will do and I stopped and he got out....” How many First statement corrections do want us to accept, when each change only serves to try and incriminate Ozzie? It also says he proceeds SOUTH on Beckley. Where does he say 700 in his sworn signed affidavit?

From the look of it, it was not a Mauser, or at least if there was a scope, it would have covered the word Mauser. I believe I mention the Mauser came into being by Weitzman when he did not see or find a clip.... the clip was obtained at some later point. Then again, maybe there was no scope... the caption embedded is wrong... stripper clip does not go into the Carcano....

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I truly hate raining on the parade.... as I agree on the discrepancies... but the bolt is open and moved closer to the rear of the rifle in the top image, whereas the bottom, look where the bolt is in relation to the scope. Also slightly different angles. FWIW... seemed to me the bolts were in diff positions... I was wrong. other than different rifles, only the angles of the images could be causing the diff. and I agree that ce139 was not the TSBD rifle....

The building in ur overlay is much smaller than in the current image... She’d have to be further to her right for that image. Too much is missing of the TSBD in the new image...?

Just to the left of the light pole you can see the red light of a wide turning motorcycle, Jackson I think. Anyway, that’s about where Pos A is in relation to 133.... We agree that the SS car did not make that wide a turn and the limo reorient itself directly in front of them? Would really like to hear one other witness describe that turn.... Towner should be a prime witness....

I had offered an idea to Chris a while back and I think he ran with it... That "133" is a completely arbitrary yet meaningful frame #. It is my feeling that there were well more than 100 frames removed between 132 and 133 based on how long it takes for the motorcycle cop to make the wide turn onto Elm. To get the limo to Position A requires quite a wide turn... Look carefully at Z131 and see the 2 motorcycle cops... CHRIS - IS IT A COINCIDENCE THAT THE CYCLE IN 131 AND THE LIMO IN 133 ARE IN EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE?(132 is blurry) This is 131 and 133...

One real mystery is Chaney’s claim of gunning up to the lead car.... it’s repeated by 3 or 4 people.... but appears nowhere in the photographic evidence Mr. HARGIS - I don't know whether it was the Secret Service car, and I remembered seeing Officer Chaney. Chaney put his motor in first gear and accelerated up to the front to tell them to get everything out of the way, that he was coming through, and that is when the Presidential limousine shot off, and I stopped and got off my motorcycle and ran to the right-hand side of the street, behind the light pole.

Here are Chaney and Jackson looking up to the right after the shots.... Here they are as well... or am I mistaken and that's not Jackson with Chaney??

Seems to me the turn was a bit like this.... with a straight line from Position A to Z133... The Queen Mary could not have made the same wide turn to be where it was with the Limo at Z133.... Or Position A is a another Red herring...??

Looking at Position A and the lane lines... Does that look right to you? Plus, if the turn was wide... wouldn't position C be higher up Houston...

Thanks Chris.... So Truly's close call at Little Elm's curb and Position A were removed from Towner using techniques about which David Healy talks... the limo is matted and moved away from the curb...?? Here's the curb avoided in Couch or Darnell (I forget) with Towner superimposed... If the limo actually passes thru Position A, it SHOULD be on Towner... no?

A zoom would bring all things closer and make them larger If she ran toward the limo without changing zoom, everything gets bigger Look at those frames slowly if you can... the limo slides left as the background grows....

To me Chris, the limo appears to be sliding sideways as a strange visual occurs... I have a gif that shows this too but not the room to post it... The column gets BIGGER yet the limo tire gets SMALLER... if you move back and forth in the film at this spot... it appears the limo slides to its left as everything gets bigger in the background - everything but the limo.... I have 2 insets in the bottom image from the top one... the column and the tire How does the Column get bigger the farther away the limo goes??

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=147765#relPageId=14&tab=page October 15, 1963 Summary report from L-9 to L. Barker https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=147765#relPageId=32&tab=page October 3, 1963 Summary report (dated Oct 3 yet says Oct 7) Needless to say.... yet no Oswald - only a tall, blond American student reported on Nov 7th...

the similarities you notice between the two men are very real Ian.... I just see an enlarging bald spot on Mystery Man... but again... eerie similarity of a bunch of doppelgangers in DP that day.... DJ ps... and it remains absurd to me that no one identified this person... part of Litimal/9's job was to ID people in LI- photos...

Everyone working at that embassy/consulate was trying to recruit... and there were also unspoken rules among spooks... This was another clue that Oswald was never there... the way AZCUE treats him... AZCUE does not "interview him to find out if they are (he is an) agents" AMMUG/1 Cheers Mike... DJ

They knew an awful lot about her on Nov 23rd. And Weisberg makes note that CIAHQ asks the Mexicans not beat her when arrested the 2nd time... See attached... DJ Weisberg wary about Mexico - Duran - Alvarado ARRB-Mexico 18.pdf

With regards to most any item of incriminating evidence... look for its significance BEFORE Nov 22.... in the contemporaneous reporting... In all the reporting from Sept and Oct 1963 from all the tapping of phones and bugs on Russian agent homes... not a single word was ever uttered about a visit by "the American"... not even in casual conversation! Same with the rifle.... Not a single FBI account of a rifle and Oswald prior to Nov 22.... despite his being watched and his mail opened.... He was a very highly guarded secret....

Interesting Ian... that's one helluva great memory and eye for detail - I think Mystery Man is more bald.... Have you heard the theory about YURI MOSKALEV being Mystery Man?