John Dolva

What did they do with them?

On being informed of his suicide she : ...'' ... ''...''I can't believe it'' ... .''He went to the office to get some papers...'' ... ''...'' ???

Kathy The person reminds me of DeWitt too or maybe Roy Hargreaves. Ian http://educationforu...ndpost&p=205748 De Witt is interesting. Does anyone know if there's any connection to Elizabeth De Witt, Ohio?

Lol, Of course I am William. I'm into learning things. Sometimes the things one learns are not what is written.

Can he be seen taking off in one of the films. Anyway, he saw reason to run. What he saw, I don't know?

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11517&view=findpost&p=205748 De Witt is interesting. Does anyone know if there's any connection to Elizabeth De Witt, Ohio?

''no evidence of third-party involvement'' They sure want to warn any whistleblower who in fact perform great public services. This vulnerable man should not have been subjected to such levels of stress but then that is typical Murdoch MO. The finding clearly reveals the ruling dogma. edit typo

Very comforting. ___ William, what do you think of the idea of outsourcing the fight against Piracy with modern Privateers?

Is this right? the so called pristine bullet lodged itself backwards in JFK with a portion continuing on. The second bullet fragmented 312-313. The third lodged in Connalys leg and disappeared.

Yup.

Vol. 75/No. 43 November 28, 2011 Miners were pillar of support for Che's guerrilla in Bolivia (Books of the Month column) Below is an excerpt from Fertile Ground: Che Guevara and Bolivia by Rodolfo SALDAÑA, one of Pathfinder's Books of the Month for November. SALDAÑA (1932-2000) was a Bolivian revolutionary who in 1966-67 helped recruit fighters and provided logistical support to the ultimately unsuccessful guerrilla campaign organized in Bolivia by Ernesto Che Guevara, a leader of the Cuban Revolution. Guevara's campaign sought to forge a revolutionary movement of workers, peasants and youth to overthrow the military dictatorship in Bolivia and open the road to socialist revolution in South America. He was eventually captured and murdered by the Bolivian army in a CIA-organized operation. SALDAÑA was interviewed in April 1997 by Mary-Alice Waters, president of Pathfinder, and Michael Taber. Copyright © 1997 by Pathfinder Press. Reprinted by permission. QUESTION: What was the popular response within Bolivia on learning of Che's guerrilla? SALDAÑA: After the first clash between the army and Che's forces occurred on March 23, I drafted a manifesto, and we distributed it in the cities. We did not yet have a name, so we were posed with the decision of what name the organization should use to address the people. We knew the decision rested with Che and the guerrilla group. That was where our command was. But we needed to say something to the people in some way, to explain somehow what was happening. This was the document we used to begin to work in the mines, with which we began to work in the city, explaining more or less what the guerrilla struggle meant. QUESTION: Without mentioning Che? SALDAÑA: Correct. Under those conditions, we had to do our work without mentioning Che. The enemy already knew there were guerrillas, and it had to have known that groups were working to support the guerrillas. We were telling them nothing they didn't know. There were individuals among the people, among the workers, however, seeking ways to make contact with the guerrillas, seeking that possibility. These were the reasons for what we did, and the conditions under which we did it. QUESTION: What was happening among the tin miners? SALDAÑA: The support received from the miners is one of the things that gives the lie to charges that the Bolivian workers and peasants were indifferent to the struggle Che initiated. I had been a miner at Siglo XX [tin mine]. I built the Communist Party there in the 1950s. So I knew the party members, many of whom I had recruited. I went to Siglo XX, it must have been in February 1967. I spoke with Rosendo García Maismán, who in those days was general secretary of the union, of the miners of Siglo XX, and a leader of the party there. He was an intelligent comrade, a very capable and courageous comrade. Without entering into details, I informed him that a decision had to be made soon. Later, after the first battle, he and I met on a number of occasions. By then he was already one of us, and he began to form two groups. One of these groups was to join the guerrilla column, and the other was to carry out support tasks. As to the miners' commitment to the struggle, we have the testimony of Rosendo García's widow… . The miners registered their support to the guerrillas at general assemblies. They decided that each worker would donate one day's pay to help the guerrillas. Their commitment shows us that there was generalized support among the workers. It's possible, of course, that there were some who were not in agreement. But the miners unanimously made this decision at their assembly… . This was at the end of May or at the beginning of June. On June 24 there was supposed to be an expanded meeting of the miners federation, that is, union leaders from all the country's mines were coming to Siglo XX. Representatives of the teachers and university students were also coming. In addition, this meeting at Siglo XX was to serve as a vehicle to discuss some general questions dealing with the workers' demands, and certainly it would have taken up support to the guerrillas. During the night of June 23 into the dawn hours on June 24, the army entered the mining camp shooting, throwing grenades at the homes of the miners while they slept. This is why many women and children were among those killed. That was the Noche de San Juan massacre. The only place the troops encountered armed resistance was at the union hall, where Rosendo García was, together with the few who were able to respond to the call of the mine's siren. The union's siren would be sounded in the mornings so the workers would get to work; it's like an alarm clock. But the siren was also used to summon people to assemblies and as a warning about some danger. That night the siren was sounded. Immediately the workers knew—since it wasn't time to go to work it had to be something else, some emergency, or an assembly. Something was happening. With a few rifles, they confronted the army. A number of people were killed there at the union hall, including Rosendo García Maismán, the central leader of the workers at Siglo XX. Many others died in their homes from machine-gun fire. The delegates who had arrived for the meeting hid out in the mines, and later in different ways they secretly left the area, which was occupied by the army. This was the highest expression of support the guerrillas received, but this doesn't mean it was the only one. There were other demonstrations of support, although none reached this level… . This is in response to those who say there was no support among the Bolivian people, that Che was isolated. That is not true. The guerrilla events after March 23 stirred the people as a whole, the population as a whole, in all their different social layers. Front page (for this issue) | Home | Text-version home

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Yes, and He could have had companies of angels taking care of business in His own case as well. If prophecy is involved regarding the end times it stands to reason that there are some pretty powerful opponents of nuclear confrontation in this age as well. So on that note, in your view what percentage of the witnesses who died in the few years after JFK's assassination were killed by agents (Oswald/Ruby included) vs. how many died with no trace of intelligence involvement? I don't necessarily subscribe to that particular note but I don't think that necessarily matters. I don't think the number who died in the coverup as witnesses or otherwise is known. I think, with ref to an early post re locating victims of the Rule of The Generals in the 70's, it can to some extent be known. Ditto those who can be said to have an ''unrelated'' death. Well I'm not looking to pin you to a number John, - you can't for exactly the reasons I stated. Is it an issue? my only point is that if there are enough witnesses who died within the first couple (2-5 or sooner I guess) years after the assassination to trouble any honest researcher, and yet there is no evidence in many of these cases that someone did something to cause it; and you can establish what I consider to be "coincidences" that statistically would have to be in the stratosphere in terms of probability like John Lennon dying on the date the US enters WWII and his son being born 6454 days (922 weeks) after Hiroshima and, after marrying a Japanese woman him being killed by a guy from Hawaii 6454 days (922 weeks) after his son is born, that just maybe the seeming factors at play regarding John Lennon may have been in play with regards to JFK as well? - I don't know. All I can think of saying is : So? Who honestly considers this, without attaching an unnecessary degree of morality to the possible causes? If the pct. was just 50% no trace of intelligence involvement, doesn't it still seem like an inordinately high number of witnesses to die so soon after the assassination? I mean, people have tallied this up for a reason, what do you do if half of the cases couldn't have been caused by a person, throw your hands up and say forget it, or try to figure out what else could be at work? - Well, apart from the obvious reasons a CHypothesiser considers there could be things like how say moving home cuts a number of years off your life. Have you seen the movie (uncut) The Killing of America? It's not an easy out at all...

Could it be that the report or whatever that he got the name from in the recollection had used the name (Mr) O. H Lee. Maybe then that says something?

East Timor: Cuba 'taught me to love people and be independent' Sunday, November 6, 2011 By Marce Cameron Dr Merita Armindo Monteiro (left). Photo by Tim Anderson. In October, the Sydney branch of the Australia-Cuba Friendship Society (ACFS) toured Dr Merita Armindo Monteiro, an East Timorese doctor trained for free in Cuba. Armindo Monterio is also an activist in the Timor Leste-Cuba Friendship Association. Since 2004, Cuba has undertaken a large-scale medical training program for East Timor and sent hundreds of Cuban medical personnel to work on the island. Cuban medical collaboration in the region has since been extended to Kiribati, Nauru, Vanuatu, Tuvalu and the Solomon Islands. Papua New Guinea may soon benefit from Cuba's generosity as well. More than 1000 youths from East Timor and Pacific island nations have undergone medical training thanks to Cuba, most of them in Cuban universities. This "South-South" collaboration is transforming the health systems of these poor countries. Socialist-oriented Cuba's solidarity aid is a stark contrast to Australia's oil grab in the Timor Sea and the miserly scale of its regional scholarship programs. Concern over Cuba's growing prestige in Australian imperialism's "backyard" may be one reason why the Australian government has expressed a desire to collaborate with Cuba in the Pacific. Green Left Weekly's Marce Cameron spoke with Armindo Monteiro. A longer version of this interview can be read at Cameron's blog , www.cubasocialistrenewal.blogspot.com . What is the state of health care in East Timor and what has been the impact of Cuba's medical collaboration in recent years? The health system in East Timor is being built up on the basis of primary and secondary care. We have the Guido Valadares National Hospital in the capital, Dili, and five regional hospitals in Oecussi, Suai, Maliana, Maubissi and Baucau. We also have health clinics located in every corner of the country. In the regional hospitals, we offer both major and minor health services, including some specialist services such as gynaecology, and we carry out some operations. For very complicated cases we may need to refer or transfer the patient to the national hospital in Dili so they can receive more specialised attention; this is also where they have the most advanced medical equipment. I see Cuba's medical presence in East Timor as very positive. When I left East Timor to begin my medical studies in Cuba in 2004, there were still only a small number of Cuban doctors in East Timor, but when I returned there were many more. They are distributed all over the country in the hospitals and in almost every local health clinic, attending to people who live very far from the nearest hospital. In some cases, patients find it a bit difficult to get to a hospital so the Cuban doctors visit them in their homes. This is very good. People often comment that they're very satisfied with the medical attention they receive from the Cuban doctors. Many people tell me that the Cubans do an excellent job. I'm not saying this because I studied medicine in Cuba, but because of my own experience and because of what some East Timorese families tell me about the Cuban doctors. What motivated you to join the Cuban medical training program? I'd always wanted to study medicine, but since my family is poor they couldn't afford to pay for me to study medicine in another country such as Indonesia. So I decided to take part in the Cuban scholarship program. Before that I had wanted to study nursing, but when I graduated from senior high school the nursing college was closed at that time. I then enrolled in the university [in Dili] and had been studying public health for two years when I was granted the scholarship to study medicine in Cuba. So I left public health to participate in this program. Where did you study in Cuba? I spent the whole of my time in Cuba in Ciego de Avila province in the centre of the country, initially in a place called Moron where I did nine months of preparatory studies before doing first and second year medicine in [the provincial capital] Ciego de Avila. I then returned to Moron to study my third, fourth and fifth years of medicine. For my final year I returned to East Timor and studied at the Guido Valadares National Hospital in Dili. Did you live with a Cuban family? Not exactly with a Cuban family, because we had a scholarship and we stayed in a college with other companeros. A lot of people lived there, many students from Africa, South America, the Caribbean, Asia; people who spoke English, Portuguese, Spanish, French, many languages. We all lived together very harmoniously like one big family. We keep in touch. Can you share with us some reflections on your experience in Cuba? The Cubans taught me many things. They taught me to be independent; they taught me to love people more than simply as human beings; they taught me to embody this great love and to express it in the treatment of my patients; they taught me how to live among the people; and they taught me how to make the most of the scarce resources available to them. Cuba is a country with different ideas. It is blockaded by the United States, but it keeps going and it has developed very good health and education systems which I greatly admire. Our country doesn't have to change its ideas, but I do hope that one day with the development of its health and education systems, East Timor's can be like Cuba's. What is the purpose of your visit to Australia? I'm here to exchange ideas about the work of the two organisations, the ACFS and the Timor Leste-Cuba Friendship Association. In the first place, to support Cuba since both groups have the same objective. For example, to call for the release of the Cuban Five political prisoners in the US and campaigning to end the US blockade of Cuba. We've been discussing various ideas to act on, about how to strengthen these links between Australia and Cuba, East Timor and Cuba and Australia and East Timor. From GLW issue 902 edit typo

Cuba's health care alternative Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 11:00 By Tim AndersonOn March 15, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, spruiking his plans to revamp Australia's ailing health care system, was told by Queanbeyan Doctor Jeannie Ellis, who has spent some time in Cuba, that he should look to the Caribbean island for ideas on how to develop a decent public health system. Rudd replied: "You're the first one to advocate the Cuban healthcare system to me." It is understandable that most Australians don't know much about Cuba's remarkable achievements in health. The corporate media says little about Cuba that is not full of malice. Indeed, the same corporate monopolies that rail against socialist Cuba have campaigned quite effectively against a decent public health system for the richest country on Earth — the United States. Rudd's claimed ignorance, however, is less understandable. If genuine, our prime minister neither reads his mail nor pays much attention to our region. In January 2008, I and more than 30 other academics, health professionals and aid workers sent Rudd a letter asking the Australian government to "match" Cuba's offer of 1000 medical scholarships to East Timor. We wrote: "We urge your government to begin a large scale public education program for the East Timorese, matching the Cuban offer of 1,000 scholarships, in areas in which we have great capacity, such as teacher training." I was the spokesperson for the group and have never received a reply. In early March, I met my friend Juvencio Dias in Dili. I have known his family for several years, and visited him in Cuba while he was studying medicine. We spent a couple of days together, discussing health and development issues. Late last year, Juvencio was part of the first group of 18 students to return home to East Timor to complete their sixth and final year. At the moment, they are practising in Timor's districts under the one-to-one supervision of Cuban doctors. They are set to graduate in September 2010. I asked Juvencio if he had delivered any babies — yes, eight, he said. At the primary health care level, he has his hands more than full with the typical demands of his country: treating malaria, dengue fever, tuberculosis, pulmonary infections, intestinal parasites and one of the highest childbirth rates in the world. Juvencio left for training in Cuba in 2003. He was followed to Cuba by further 700 young, smart East Timorese students — all had completed year 12 with better than 70% marks in science subjects. Another 200 have been studying exclusively in Timor, under Cuban supervision. Over the next year, 500 of the students in Cuba will return home, in small groups, to complete their fifth and sixth year studies — and join a health system that never previously had more than 50 doctors. They will practice as they study and a number will begin to teach very soon after they graduate. Among Timorese doctors, there is something of a culture clash. Those trained in Indonesia (like doctors in Australia) see medicine as a profession where private practitioners charge for services. However, those trained by the Cubans see themselves as salaried public servants, treating people as a matter of social obligation. The Cuban medical training program in East Timor is the most dramatic, yet most under-reported, development in health aid in our region. Cuba is also training another 150 students from the Solomon Islands, Kiribati, Vanuatu, Nauru, Tuvalu and Tonga. An Australian PM with an interest in aid and foreign affairs should have been paying attention to the emergence of the largest health aid program in the Asia-Pacific region. Cuban health aid to our island neighbours is now more substantial than all other countries' health aid programs put together. Why would Rudd not know this? Among the lessons that can be learned from Cuba's health programs at home and abroad is that a large expansion in the training of health workers is a step in the right direction. Of course, this has to be matched by resources for the medical faculties and by new positions in the hospitals. Salaried positions in hospitals and regional health centres will be the key to a wider and more equitable spread of health services, especially in rural areas. Private practitioners can never meet the needs of rural or disadvantaged communities — in rich or poor countries. The Cubans know and have been working with this simple fact for some time. One reason medical training in Australia has fallen is pressure from a strong private profession that does not want competition. Another reason is reliance on imports. On the one hand, we have an aid program that pretends to share training with poorer countries. On the other hand, we "poach" professionals from those countries with our "skilled migration" program. The Cubans recognise the "brain drain" of health professionals is a major problem for developing countries. Their response is to massively expand training, promote health as a right and focus on building a large group of salaried professionals with a public service ethos. East Timor's former health minister Dr Rui Araujo considers this ethos to be the most distinctive feature of Cuban medical training. He says the Cubans train health workers "to serve the public and not trade the services". Is that the sort of ethos we would like to see in Australia? [Tim Anderson has produced two short documentaries on Cuban health programs in our region: The Doctors of Tomorrow and The Pacific School of Medicine. A fuller article by him on the Cuba-Timor Leste program entitled "Solidarity aid: the Cuba-Timor Leste health programme" can be found at From GLW issue 831

Len I mean that your declaration is wrong for many and varied reasons. ----------------- I think you need to look deeper into the Cuban electoral process. Look, Len , you asked me to find articles that one can get in Cuba. To do that I'd need a list. You state categorically that the articles you ask for don't exist, so it seems to me that you have done some research on the matter, a list would be really helpful. Not just to me but to anyone interested in this matter.

Interesting points of view William. Since when have the US had humanitarian concerns for Africa? Is it true that a drone base is being set up in Seychelles? Do you think the ruling groups in the USofA have interests in the wealth of Africa?

Yes, and He could have had companies of angels taking care of business in His own case as well. If prophecy is involved regarding the end times it stands to reason that there are some pretty powerful opponents of nuclear confrontation in this age as well. So on that note, in your view what percentage of the witnesses who died in the few years after JFK's assassination were killed by agents (Oswald/Ruby included) vs. how many died with no trace of intelligence involvement? I don't necessarily subscribe to that particular note but I don't think that necessarily matters. I don't think the number who died in the coverup as witnesses or otherwise is known. I think, with ref to an early post re locating victims of the Rule of The Generals in the 70's, it can to some extent be known. Ditto those who can be said to have an ''unrelated'' death.

He submitted to the course of events. ref Speech on the Mount. He had been through it before.

Is it possible though John that certain paths become blocked by influences we can't see? - Yes that's what I said. That doesn't mean they can't be seen. Here's the relevance. If God authored the crucifixion, do you think it would have been possible to prevent it once Jesus said yes to allowing it? - Relevant? Isn't God and Jesus one? -------- If you could demonstrate a supernatural component to events of an era like the sixties, would it then have value to consider the possibility that an event like the assassination of JFK could not only have had a supernatural helping hand but maybe some of these witnesses that died afterwards may not have been killed in fact by a hand that we could see...maybe it was supernaturally covered up as well. Something to consider... Jesus demonstrated the distinction between His Father's will and His own. He chose to comply, He did not have to... Some would say He was complicit In The Beginning....

Is it possible though John that certain paths become blocked by influences we can't see? - Yes that's what I said. That doesn't mean they can't be seen. Here's the relevance. If God authored the crucifixion, do you think it would have been possible to prevent it once Jesus said yes to allowing it? - Relevant? Isn't God and Jesus one? -------- If you could demonstrate a supernatural component to events of an era like the sixties, would it then have value to consider the possibility that an event like the assassination of JFK could not only have had a supernatural helping hand but maybe some of these witnesses that died afterwards may not have been killed in fact by a hand that we could see...maybe it was supernaturally covered up as well. Something to consider...

There are photos of the day that seem to indicate a gouge in the sill.

General look and attire incl pen in pocket and watch may indicate function/rank. edit typo