Thomas Graves

Yes, thank you Robin, great detail. EDIT:: Wonder if this person (pink dot Altgen7, inset) is standing on this (the pink arrow) thing? __________________________ John, Great observation. Wonder what those things are? Must have been fairly flat on top if a person could stand on top of one like that. Wonder why the guy didn't just "elbow" his way into a good vantage spot along the railing like the other spectators??? Hmmm.... Maybe he needed to elevate himself to make himself more visible to all of the shooters' "helpers" who were waiting for some sort of signal from him? On page 23 of Crossfire, Jim Marrs says in so many words that Ronald B. Fischer, a Dallas County auditor, was standing on the SW corner of Elm and Houston less than ten minutes before the motorcade passed by and looked up and noticed the head and shoulders of a man (wearing a light sportshirt or a white T-shirt) in a window of the TSBD and that the man was "surrounded by boxes and was staring 'transfixed,' not toward the approaching motorcade, but IN THE DIRECTION OF THE TRIPLE UNDERPASS." [emphasis added; pardon my "shouting"] I submit, John, that the guy that you've pointed out to us on the Triple Underpass could have been a conspirator's "signalman" (pardon the pun; how ironic was it if the guy was "dressed up" as a railroad worker?--wow), helping to coordinate "activities" (along with DCM and/or TUM) and a "helper/coordinator" in the TSBD for the shooter/shooters in the west window of the TSBD, the south grassy knoll, the north grassy knoll (nort end of the Underpass, actually, etc, etc. Maybe the guy you've pointed out was using simple hand signs (and/or the act of getting up on the "thing" itself) to communicate "All systems, Go!" to his co-conspirators.... --Thomas P.S. Great view of the recessed area at the southern end of the Underpass, the steam pipes, the "boxes," etc. If I remember correctly, eyewitness "Tosh" Plumlee and his colleague thought that the fatal shot came from a mirror-image recessed area at the other end of the Underpass. Thanks. __________________________

Ken Rahn, one of the leading proponents of this apparently flawed NAA bullet analysis, made the following comments about this new study on alt.assassination.jfk: <quote on> To All, I will wait until all the back-patting quiets down, and then try to offer some reasoned analysis of this latest attempt to disparage Guinn and his NAA analyses/conclusions. In the meantime, I remind everyone that doubts are not proof. It is easy to doubt and hard to demonstrate. Ken Rahn <quote off> So scientists come to a different conclusion based on "reasoned analysis", and Rahn equates such research as simply "the latest attempt to disparage Guinn and his NAA analyses/conclusions." An unbiased scientist would not jump to the conclusion that the goal of this new analysis was to "disparage" anyone BEFORE offering his own "reasoned analysis" and informed critique of this new study. Seems to me Rahn is putting his cart ahead of the horse. PF ____________________________ One can only hope that the John Connally family will some day authorize the exhumation of Mr. Connally so that the bullet fragments embedded in the bones of his right wrist can be spectrographically and metallurgically analyzed to determine once and for all whether or not the bullet that caused him so many wounds and ended up shattering said wrist was the same bullet that "exited" JFK's throat. CT's such as myself need no such proof, as the "magic bullet" theory is patently "plausible" only to people who are either under-informed or who are severely gullible and/or reality-challenged, but it would be nice to be able to "convert" such people to a more realistic view of what reall went down in Dealy Plaza. --Thomas ____________________________

_________________________ Hi Shanet, I agree, especially as regards your assessment that eyewitness Plumlee "is a responsible source for reasonable information on this".... --Thomas _________________________

In post #9, Duke Lane said: [...] The actual perps could have covered their tracks exceedingly well (especially given the reprieve of the Tippit diversion) [...] _________________________ Duke, excellent point. I'd never thought of the Tippit shooting as being a diversion, but it does make sense.... --T.G. _________________________ In the same post, Duke also said: [...] That Oswald was not a Communist and was not acting on behalf of any Communist entity needed to be proven to satisfy the American people and mollify the Soviets, and thus prevent any possible conflict between the US and a Communist nation-state, especially the in-this-event guiltless USSR. [...] ___________________________ Duke, another excellent point. Makes me look at LHO's handcuffed, defiant and somewhat puzzling "Communist salute" in a different way, as if he's saying, "If the authorities want to avoid WW III, they're gonna have to realize real quickly that I'm a triple agent," (or something like that), and that my activities have been sanctioned, to the best of my knowledge, by an agency of the U.S. government. In fact, I was led by that agency to believe that my mission was to try to prevent the assassination of JFK and/or help to entrap the conspirators." Unfortunately, the authorities were able to convince the American people (and themselves?) that LHO was just your run-of-the-mill highly-perturbed sociopath.... --Thomas ___________________________

________________________________ Gary, Thanks for the link. --Thomas ________________________________

_____________________________ Hi John, Wow, sounds like quite a project! Surprised it hasn't been done already.... BTW and on a totally different subject (sorry), my dad suggested that you find out what colors the car came in that particular year and put them in an alley like Walker's was that night to determine what color they really are when they look "purple" or "dark brown" under those conditions.... --Thomas _____________________________

Pmub a legab __________________________ Hi Miles, Let me guess-- Yavapai? --Thomas __________________________

____________________________ Dear Myra, Silly me! And to think I was wasting all my time plugging in search terms like "and" and "a" and "the" and "of" and "for" and "to" and "his" and "they" and "them" and "their" and "uhh,"and the whole time trying to reconcile all these articles and conjunctions and pronouns and possessive pronouns and interjections and I should have remembered that you had used the word "recompense," I mean "recourse," I mean "riparian," I mean "reconstitute," I mean "rigmarole," I mean "rigor mortis," and after all is said and done, who gives a "rat's ---" what you used, right? The important point is that in the thread "Question for Tosh" you, in so many words, rhetorically accused "Tosh" of being a witting conspirator in the assassination of JFK. Sorry if you don't remember doing so. Also sorry if the particular post/s I'm talking about have been "deleted" by someone. Doesn't matter to me because I remember that you more or less accused Tosh of participating willfully in the evil deed. I and half of The Forum (at that time) remember you doing so.... Keep up the good work, --ThomASS (as you say) ___________________________

_____________________________ You're absolutely right, Myra. I never would have guessed in a thousand years that "reconcile" (or, for that matter, "reconciliation") would actually belong to your so-called "active" vocabulary. --ThomASS (as you say) _____________________________

I can understand why you have resigned as moderator but the problem is that by doing so you allow people like Myra to win. She will not be satisfied until all moderators resign. ________________________________ Both elegant statements, indeed. Sorry to lose you as a moderator, Gary. When you pointed out to me my rather "barbaric behavior" (to use my words- lol) in a personal message a few weeks ago, you did it in such a way that I actually took a liking to you immediately. You're a good man. As is John. I can only wish that West Ham could do better in the future, if only possible. (I actually looked up the standings in the San Diego Union newspaper last week and came to the conclusion than things really are pretty bad, aren't they? lol) But seriously, --Thomas ________________________________

I agree that the massively extensive roster of possible conspirators has significantly contributed to the general ridicule of conspiracy theorists. While I generally agree with the above points numbered 1-4, the exception is the complexity of the sheepdipping performed on Oswald. The representation of Oswald as a disgruntled, sexually-inadequate stock clerk just doesn't hold water. As if the production by the CIA of the misidentified Mexico City Saul photos wasn't enough, how about the invoice, initialed by Hoover ("JEH") while Oswald was in Russia, naming Oswald as the buyer in Florida of a number of trucks on behalf of an anti-Castro organization? Tim __________________________________ Hey Tim, Good to hear from you again. Hang in there buddy. --Thomas P.S. I agree with you that Oswald's sheepdipping is the key to the enigma wrapped inside the riddle wrapped inside the..... __________________________________

_______________________ Well Myra, I was wrong. I plugged in the search term "***ch" and came up with zilch (LOL), but you and I and half of the members of The Forum can definitely remember when "Tosh" called you a "***ch," and I'm sure that you or someone else can find the pertinent thread and post, unless, as you have so adroitly and perhaps paranoiacally (sp?) pointed out, "Tosh" and/or I have managed to erase in order to protect his/our/my "cover" and/or operational usefulness. Remember, "Paranoia Strikes Deep...." --ThomASS ______________________ So you were wrong. Ok Thomas. Were you able to find a post where I said "You killed JFK, didn't you?" or words to that effect."? ________________________________ No I wasn't wrong, Myra. You're still a ******* *****. (Wonderful person) As regards your accusing of "Tosh," of, in so many words, being a witting conspirator in the assassination of JFK, how can I possibly find that thread if, as you say, "Tosh" somehow erased that thread? Of course, maybe someone else who is less technologically-challenged than I can find it on this wonderfully large and informative but rather search-engine-sucking Forum. Maybe I can't find it My-ra, but I sure as hell remember it, and so do half of the other members.... --ThomASS (as you say) P.S. I reiterate-- sue me. ________________________________

_______________________ Well Myra, I appologize. I was wrong. I plugged in the search term "***CH" to try to find the thread on which you more or less accused "Tosh" of being a witting conspirator in the assassination of JFK, but I came up with zilCH (LOL), but you and I and half of the members of The Forum can definitely remember when "Tosh" called you a "***CH" on that thread, and I'm sure that you or someone else can find the pertinent thread and post, unless, as you have so adroitly pointed out, "Tosh" and/or I or his/my(?)/our(?) nasty nasty CIA buddies (LOL) have managed to erase said thread in order to protect his/my(?)/our(?) "cover" and/or operational usefulness.... Remember, Myra, "Paranoia Strikes Deep, Into Your Heart It Will Creep...." --ThomASS (as you say) P.S. You used the word "slander." Well gosh, sue me if you will. I'm looking forward to it.... ______________________

I remember that post.(the southern side of dealey plaza topic) It arose from a question of mine due to a McIntyre photo anomaly*. (One can see the WC Hoffman photos confirming that an elevated position was available.) It was important for other reasons as well. I submit that anyone who has tried to cross such an elevated rail bed of irregular rubble will know that the easiest way is to do so is at a diagonal. This helps to place the shooter in photographs, as the easy direct route from the suggested shooting position to the parking area on the other side is not a straight line but (combined with the switching tracks) rather a diagonal followed by a left turn in order to round the far balustrade. Tosh confirmed this. This may explain (albeit very suggestive, a matter of a few pixels) a person appearing to cross in a few of the Wiegman frames and the McIntyre photo. EDIT:: *the anomaly being a person, that if it was a person, (apparently carrying a rifle) in the McIntyre photo, then to be where he/she was would have to be floating a number of feet above the base ground of the overpass. Tosh stating that the tracks were raised and then looking for and finding confimation for it in other photos helped me to take Tosh more seriously as at by that point I was 'on the fence'. Later photos posted by Robin demolished the problem of the handrail that led many to discount Tosh who said there was no such handrail. Indeed, again he was right. _______________________________ Thanks guys, Excellent posts. --Thomas _______________________________

Please see this thread and post #1 for more details on what mods do. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9319 _____________________________________________ To all concerned and especially Ms. Bee, I don't know if the pertinent thread/post is still available on The Forum, but the fact of the matter is that William "Tosh" Plumlee did call Myra Bronstein a "***ch" (oh my God please pardon my profanity) after Ms. Bee asked him many loaded questions, like "You killed JFK, didn't you?" or words to that effect. LOL (Once again, I profusely apologize for my uncouth profanity (must be my Ukrainian and/or Choctaw background.) Ms. Bee-- It's a pity that you didn't realize the wealth of information that Mr. Plumlee was divulging to us about the South Knoll when you (unfortunately?), decided to start pestering him with potentially self-incriminating, rhetorical questions. Just ask Ron Ecker and John Dolva or take the time to actually look back over Plumlee's posts before you decided to insert your "busy bee" questions.... Keep up th good work, --ThomASS _____________________________________________ ________________________

______________________________ Excellent point, Ron. Too bad Ms Bee harassed him to the point of quiting The Forum.... --Thomas ______________________________ Ah but TomASS, you fill in so well for your hero, it's almost as though he speaks through you... Heckling by proxy. Covert even in his absence. Skulking around removing his own posts so no one can see for themselves if he contradicted himself every time his fingers touched the keyboard. Then playing the martyr, mean girl kicked e-sand in his e-face and chased him from his e-sandbox... Hey! Since you speak for ToSH you can go back into all his scrubbed posts and painstakingly reconstruct them (you MUST have them memorized given that you live vicariously through him) so that people can see and judge for themselves if he was e-bullied from the forum or if he fled after he repeatedly e-tripping himself up on his own e-words, hoisted on his own e-tard as it were, and someone pointed it out. How convenient that he scrubbed his posts squeaky clean before his deputy launched CIA Project: Heckle JFK Assassination Researcher, making it impossible for open-minded people to see the truth. How very very like the CIA that is to cover-up the facts, and even have a little ongoing propaganda campaign. Ahh, just like old times. So TomASS, since yoU now speak for ToSH, you should be able to explain why yoU (i.e., ToSH) felt it necessary to take the time to scrub all youR (i.e., hIS) posts from the site before yOu skulked off into the covert abyss. Why would an upstanding sincere truthful well-intentioned, not to mention martyred, guyS like you'SE need to hide what you'SE said? Do tell... _____________________________ Excellent work, Ms. Bee!!!, Bump a bagel.... --ThomASS _____________________________

Just kidding ThomAS, you're a really really smart guy. Really... _________________________ Dear Myra, What does the "ASsss" part of "ToshAsss" mean in your apocryphal "Tag, you're it TosshAsss?" How esoteric. XXXXXXXX. If that's the case, then one can only say that you have a very, very dirty mind, indeed. Likewise, what does the "AS" part of ThomAS signify? Hmmm... AS= Associatiated Students? Astonomical Society? What? Hmmm... Are you trying to phonetically spell my name, "ThomAS?" If that's the case, then you might as well move to the Czech Republic and teach English for seven years as I did. In case anyone on The Forum is interested, I'm writing a novel about it now; have decided to include a chapter about Ms. Bee entitled "The Writhing." You know as in Medusa... Well, gosh, thank you, Ms. Bees, for telling me that I'm a really really (no comma) smart guy. But I already knew that. LOL Unlike you, I try to keep an open mind and still love the country that I was born in and that I'm living in. Ms. Bee, if you don't want to live in America any longer, I suggest that you move to the Czech Republic and try living there (legally?) and teach English or dialectics or C.T. or whatever for a couple of years.... keep up th good work, --Thomas Edited for inappropriate language. ________________________

***************************************************************** "QUOTE(Thomas Graves @ May 14 2007, 01:46 AM) * Sorry, Myra. I just caught the date on that [May 14, 20076]. Which thread was that on? Whoops, on this thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=9964&st=15 Meant to include that. __________________________________ Hi folks, Did William "Tosh" Plumlee call Myra a "b****", or did he not? Was Mr. Plumlee giving us interesting/important information at the time, or was he not? I rest my case.... Censure me if you will, --Thomas __________________________________

_____________________________________ Bump and run _____________________________________

Pmub a legab hehehehe.... _________________________ Miles, I'm a' wondering (seriously) if that's a Native American phrase that you posted. I'm 1/16 Native American myself (Choctaw), and I was a-wonderin' if what you posted was a dialect you had to learn when you was a-teachin' English up there in northern Arizonia. I used to live in Peeples Valley on old Highway 89. Ever been to Skull Valley? Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Yours, Thomas _________________________

... Note the green epaulets on his shoulders. --Thomas Well, now that we know that, to paraphrase the immortal words of Jesse Curry, the case is cinched: the man is a traffic cop, as determined not alone by the white cap, but moreover by the epaulet color: green is - and was - Traffic. Since he's also a sergeant, a perusal of the Sawyer exhibits should indicate who he may have been, depending upon how many traffic sergeants were assigned to Love Field. His being a sergeant - and therefore possibly in a leadership position, such as squad commander - may also be an explanation for the difference in color of the band across the front of the cap versus that of the cap in DP. (Of course, shadows and reflection can also account for it.) As a last-ditch measure, I can email a copy of the blow-up to a former DPD officer who was also a uniformed sergeant in 1963, albeit not in Traffic. Still, he seems to not only know every cop on the force at the time, but also everything about most of them, and especially what they were doing that particular Friday afternoon. The man in the "similar" uniform to the right could be a Navy or Coast Guard officer, too: it's hard to tell without being able to see more of the uniform, but they are the only federal services that also wear blue uniforms with white caps. The particular shades of blue - as is true also with the USAF - have changed over the years, and I've got no idea how they may have differed from DPD blue, which may also have changed. _______________ Dear folks, Just to show you how intellectually-honest and technologically-challenged I truly am, I would like to point out that I never said anything about the "green epaulets" that the dude in question has on his right shoulder. I wish I had noticed it, but in all truth credit must be given to Mr. Ed LeDoux for this excellent observation.... --Thomas _______________

shanet Shanet...most people have no trouble seeing the badgeman image. Jack Jack thanks for the good clean image, I can see the BADGEMAN individual now.......... (I brought the thread back to remind people about Tosh's scenario) best wishes and thanks for the good badgeman slide shanet ___________________________ Bump a bagel ___________________________

Tag, you're it ToshASsss Just kidding ThomAS, you're a really really smart guy. Really... ___________________ Yeah, Myra, I confess I helped Tosh kill JFK even though I was only 13 years old at the time.... LOL. --Thomas P.S. To new member David G., if you want to find the pertinent posts between Tosh and Ms. Bee, I suggest that you simply plug in the search term "b****," because that's what Tosh called her right before he left The Forum. Too bad, too, because at that time Tosh was giving us lots of interesting information about his activities and observations on the South Knoll before, during and just after the assassination.... He seemed to think that the fatal shot was fired from the far South end of the underpass/overpass (which makes a lot of sense when one looks at the reports given about JFK's head wound(s) by the doctors/nurses/technicians at Parkland Hospital.) But unfortunately Ms. "Busy Bee," going for "the kill," harassed him to the point of leaving.... ___________________

________________________ Myra, I'm sure you're right. Keep up the good work.... --Thomas ________________________ And I'm sure the Rockefellers would approve of the work you do ToshAS. ___________________ (We??) thank you, Ms Bee! --Thomas (and Tosh?) LOL P.S. Keep up the good work.... P.P.S. "Paranoia Strikes Deep..." ___________________