Thomas Graves

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http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Don-Criminal-...e/dp/1569803226 Also on other net retailers like Barnes and Noble. ____________________ Scott, I'm bummed that I couldn't sign your guest book on your website because it's already filled up. So I'll put it here: "Scott, I'm looking forward to reading both of your books. Always look forward to your posts on the "JFK Assassination Debate" part of John Simkin's great site, "The Education Forum." Keep up the good work! -- Tommy "Underdog" Mahon (Graves)" ____________________

My inner child needs nurturing. Ron and Frank are exempt from applying. I'd be careful with those hands across the seas; you may just find what you're shaking is a brown-eyed mullet*. My history lesson was actually aimed at the students cruising through our little habitat in the hope they may unlearn what they've learned about "swearing" and see it for what it really is - centuries of entrenched snobbishness aimed at ridiculing and belittling the poorer classes.* http://www.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html ___________________________ Greg, "[...] shaking [...] a 'brown-eyed mullet'!" Haven't yet looked it up so I can only imagine! Best laugh I've had for a long time! Reminds me of when a friend and I went spearfishing in a coastal lagoon here in San Diego and saw many largish fish which were, you guessed it,... mullet!! Not the best fish for eating, my friend told me, way too oily and, well, "fishy-tasting" (hope that's not politically-incorrect...) and way too wary for us, at that... Separate issue: I've read your previous post on (the dialectical-materialism-approach-to- the-analysis-of-the-origin-of-"swear words," lol) and find your theory fascinating and quite plausible, actually. So, if , as you say, "'swearing' [...] is [...] centuries of entrenched snobbishness aimed at ridiculing and belittling the poorer classes," then I find myself wondering what a member of the poorer classes would have said hundreds of years ago when he or she hit her finger with a hammer (or sickle)? -- "Oh, violin!" (a sneaky lower-class euphemism, perhaps, for the higher class profanity, "Oh fiddle!?" (Just a clever way of "getting back" at the "upper classes, of course...?") Interesting... Thanks, --Thomas ____________________________ Thomas, your friend knows his fish. The Traditional Mullet The Yelloweye Mullet Brown Eyed Mullet Origin of the Feces O violin? Sounds like the beginning of a Monty Python sketch... _______________________ Greg, LOL, Holy @&%# ! (On topic) Regarding your third link (The Brown-Eyed Mullet), that's what my surfer friends would call (a rather short section) of a "brown elbow," or perhaps a short "log." A couple of years ago Surfer Magazine asked some world famous surfers to describe a particularly good surfing maneuver each one of them had performed recently. Surfer A said, "It was so good, I 'popped a log.'" Surfer B said, "It (his maneuver) was so incredible (and created so much spray), that all the girls on the beach got w*t ! ...... Oh well, never mind... (Still "on topic" because I censored the j***y parts out, didn't I.) --Thomas

____________________________________ Mr. Simkin, Nice to see a bit of English sarcasm. Or is it just ignorance? Sincerely yours, --Thomas ____________________________________

Thomas, some LNs like to point out that Fiorini didn't change his name to Sturgis until 55 or so, years after Bimini Run was published. What they overlook is that Fioriini didn't just pick a name out of a hat. He took his step-dad's name, a name he been using off and on for years. When I looked at Hunt's and Fiorini's war records, I noticed that they both served in the South Pacific at the same time. Hunt as a journalist and Fiorini as a Marine Corps killer specializing in hand to hand combat (or so the story goes). I wonder if anyone's ever read through Hunt's old articles, to see if he ever wrote one about his ole buddy Frank. __________________________ Hi Pat, I didn't know that Fiorini had been using his step-father's name (Sturgis) off and on for years before he legally changed it (to Sturgis) around 1955. Hmm... So, let's see... if he'd been using it off and on before 1949 (when Hunt wrote Bimini Run), then it's a near certainty that Hunt had already met him by '49, isn't it, simply due to the fact that Hunt created a fictional swashbuckling stud tough guy character by the name of Frank, I mean Hank (lol) Sturgis... Thanks, --Thomas P.S. How would one go about finding Hunt's old articles? Excellent idea, that... __________________________

If I remember right, Kennedy was tight with the "Rat Pack" in general, and with Lawford in particular. The assassination problably shook them all up. When Sinatra got wind that LHO may have watched "Suddenly" right before the assassination (whether it was true or not), he pulled the film. I might have done the same thing if I was in his place. The film was done 9 years before the assassination, and I really don't see what there would be to hide. Besides, the entertainment value of the film would have gone down since the event had actually happened. "The Lone Gunmen" pilot about flyng a remote control plane into the WTC was entertaining when it was first broadcast in March 2001. After 9/11, it became interesting, but not entertaining. Also, look at Vaughn Meader's career after 11/22/63. I've always considered him the "4th victim" of that day in Dallas. JWK Gary sent me another e-mail explaining that the film on Cuba "We Were Strangers" was indeed shown on TV shortly before the assassination, but not as a double feature with "Suddenly." Suddenly hadn't been shown in Dallas for years. Besides Suddenly, the other fim yanked by Sinatra was The Manchurian Candidate. Both movies featured political assassins using high-powered rifles and could have been considered discomforting. No one thought much about Sinatra's yanking the films. When I finally watched Suddenly, however, I realized the assassin played by Sinatra shared a number of characteristics with Johnny Rosselli. When I looked into the background of the screenwriter, I became convinced the character was indeed based on Rosselli. _____________________________ The fictional Johnny Baron -- real-life FBI agent John Barron "coincidental connection" reminded me of E. Howard Hunt's 1949 action-thriller Bimini Run, the hero-protagonist of which is one swashbuckling character by the name of Hank Sturgis. Remember one of our favorite people, Frank (Fiorini) Sturgis? Hmm.... Interesting to speculate that Hunt might have known Frank way back in '49.... Of course, Frank might have read the book and been so captivated by the hero that he decided to change his name (Fiorini) to (Sturgis)... FWIW, --Thomas _____________________________

My inner child needs nurturing. Ron and Frank are exempt from applying. I'd be careful with those hands across the seas; you may just find what you're shaking is a brown-eyed mullet*. My history lesson was actually aimed at the students cruising through our little habitat in the hope they may unlearn what they've learned about "swearing" and see it for what it really is - centuries of entrenched snobbishness aimed at ridiculing and belittling the poorer classes.* http://www.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html ___________________________ Greg, "[...] shaking [...] a 'brown-eyed mullet'!" Haven't yet looked it up so I can only imagine! Best laugh I've had for a long time! Reminds me of a long time ago when a friend and I went spearfishing in a coastal lagoon here in San Diego and chased around several schools of largish fish which turned out to be, you guessed it,... mullet!! Not the best fish for eating, my friend told me, way too oily and, well, "fishy-tasting" (hope that's not politically-incorrect...) lol. Separate issue: I've read your previous post on (the dialectical-materialism-approach-to- the-analysis-of-the-origin-of-"swear words," lol) and find your theory fascinating and quite plausible, actually. So if , as you say, "'swearing' [...] is [...] centuries of entrenched snobbishness aimed at ridiculing and belittling the poorer classes," then I gotta wonder what a member of the poorer classes would have said hundreds of years ago when he or she hit her finger with a hammer (or sickle)? -- "Oh, violin!" (a lower-class profanity, perhaps, for the higher class profanity, "Oh fiddle!?" (Just to "get back" at the "upper classes, of course...?") Interesting... Thanks, --Thomas ____________________________ ________________________ Bump Da Bump ________________________

My inner child needs nurturing. Ron and Frank are exempt from applying. I'd be careful with those hands across the seas; you may just find what you're shaking is a brown-eyed mullet*. My history lesson was actually aimed at the students cruising through our little habitat in the hope they may unlearn what they've learned about "swearing" and see it for what it really is - centuries of entrenched snobbishness aimed at ridiculing and belittling the poorer classes.* http://www.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html ___________________________ Greg, "[...] shaking [...] a 'brown-eyed mullet'!" Haven't yet looked it up so I can only imagine! Best laugh I've had for a long time! Reminds me of when a friend and I went spearfishing in a coastal lagoon here in San Diego and saw many largish fish which were, you guessed it,... mullet!! Not the best fish for eating, my friend told me, way too oily and, well, "fishy-tasting" (hope that's not politically-incorrect...) and way too wary for us, at that... Separate issue: I've read your previous post on (the dialectical-materialism-approach-to- the-analysis-of-the-origin-of-"swear words," lol) and find your theory fascinating and quite plausible, actually. So, if , as you say, "'swearing' [...] is [...] centuries of entrenched snobbishness aimed at ridiculing and belittling the poorer classes," then I gotta wonder what a member of the poorer classes would have said hundreds of years ago when he or she hit her finger with a hammer (or sickle)? -- "Oh, violin!" (a lower-class profanity perhaps, for the higer class profanity, "Oh fiddle!?" (Just to "get back" at the "upper classes, of course...?") Interesting... Thanks, --Thomas ____________________________

______________________________________ My-rah!, That is by far the most cogent and well-written piece ever posted on The Forum! Excellent grammar, syntax, and "vocabulary," and I actually laughed twice. Seriously! Unfortunately, I know that you'll now slowly start gravitating back to your main "thing", I'm afraid,-- trying to read ten or twelve books on the assassination and watching all the videos and TV shows, all simultaneously, and posting, posting, posting, away, with the (occasional) valid question or insightful observation and the (more-frequent) outraged, poignant, and (just-ever-so-slightly) paranoiac, uhh, ...uhh... philippic, yes!, all of which (sob!), really tear me up and/or make me really, really, really angry at the unjust country in which we (you and I, for example) choose, yes!, choose!, I suppose, uhh...to live, yes?.... nota bene: I lived in a former "Worker's Paradise" country for seven years... Fascinating... I highly recommend it lol. --Thomas P.S. It's a pity that you #*&&%@ off and badgered "Tosh" Plumlee so much that he decided to leave The Forum... P.P.S. Believe it or not, Myra, I actually agree with the "free speech movement" which you and Terry and some others are espousing here on the JFK Assassination Debate forum. I guess we just gotta be clever and compromise and say, literally, "@&%#" them all, especially if they can't... P.P.P.S. I lied. I only laughed once.... ______________________________________

__________________________________________ Interesting that Marrs says, "...flight to Texas..." Did they fly into Fort Worth, or Dallas (and have Robert meet them there and drive them to Fort Worth)? Also, Marrs says "...many direct flights were available [From New York]..." Many direct flights from New York to Fort Worth or many direct flights to Dallas, or both? Just curious... Thanks, --Thomas P.S. Fascinating post, Ed! __________________________________________

____________________________________ Hold on, folks, hold on... I got a real strong intuition that Mr. Miles Scull is going to accuse me of "complicity" (in the context of his last post) in the shooting of the people at Virginia Tech, the assassination of JFK, and/or the 9/11 tragedy. Let's see..., "complicity".... Uhh, here it is: "Involvement as an accomplice in a crime or wrongdoing." Hmm...... Are you sure that's the word you're looking for, Mr. Scull? Actually, you're right about "Dallas", Mr. Scull, in a very general sort of way in that I, yes I!, due to the influence of my JBS-type parents and their friends and the very conservative environment of La Jolla, California, was guilty of conspiring, along with millions of other Americans, of the wrongdoing of loathing JFK and of actually thinking that Goldwater was, yes!, the cat's meow. Shucks, I was even guilty of the crime of having a "Au H20 in '64" bumper sticker on (the inside of) my bedroom door! Yes!, I'm a fugitive from justice, a criminal! on the run! (Never mind the fact that I was only thirteen years at the time and that since then I've "pulled a U-ey" in my political thinking and am now a firm believer that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy, yes!, a conspiracy of evil @*&%$#&@.) --Thomas ______________________________________

_______________________ Eugene, I beg to differ in that I still think I see a (probably clothed) arm sticking out from the right half of the window which is to the immediate left of the window in which all the people can be seen, and on the same level.... Excellent work! --Thomas ______________________

_______________________________ Yeah, definitely a conspiracy. Right. --Thomas "Paranoia strikes deep......." _______________________________

________________________ Hi Jack, Dang, Froggie, you right. I really should know better'rn. I guess that's what I get from a-readin' way too much of that there drug 'n al-key-haul-addled rascal Hunter S. Thompson and that prevert William F. Burroughs! I knows I reely otter start a-readin' some of them writers like that "Polak" English merchant marine Joseph Conrad an'..., an'..., ...uhh... Shakyspeares and peoples like that so as I can a-come up with a 18-letter epitaph I mean epithet when I really needs two, iffin' you know what I meens... --Thomas P.S. "Go Froggies!" (and I don't mean them fancy-smancy Par-reez-zuns...) "Purple Haze, baby!" Thomas Graves-- class of '71 but never done grad-ju-ated... P.P.S. I'm part "Polak," myself. Great grandfathers's name: Podermanski. ________________________

__________________________________ Yes John, Compared to the "civilized" English, we Americans are, by and large, all-to-often @*#&%@ downright barbaric... --Thomas P.S. Pardon my "German" (or is it "French?!" -- "%@," I don't know, but that's OK, I'm just an uncultured *%$#@&%!!! ) lol

Well aint this a cold slap in the groin. Say there... is "groin" a swear word? I don't want to screw up and have Antti get his knickers all in a twist again. ... Oops! Is "screw up" a swear? Gosh, it's such a verbal mine field when moderators decide to police language. And I do so want to avoid having my gosh darn diddley doodley posts censored. (Is "gosh darn" a swear?) __________________________________ You're so,... uh..., uh..., funny, My-ra...!!!! (Keep up the good work... ) --Thomas __________________________________

_________________________________ Robin, He was definitely seen at the scene. --Thomas _________________________________

___________________________________________ Thanks Lee, Finally "got it!" No wonder it was hard to find-- vertical writing and a small arrow pointing to a little red spot. Oh well, it was worth it. Thanks for putting it on your map, Don! Thanks! --Thomas ___________________________________________

____________________________ Thanks Bernice, Actually (don't you just hate it when someone starts a sentence with "Actually,..." ?), I've already seen that photo and those documents several times. I'm just surprised that Don doesn't have the Mal Couch blood-sighting (at the west end of the School Book Depository) on his "plat." I realize, of course, that it's probably there and I'm just to darn "blind" to see it! Thanks, --Thomas ____________________________

________________________________________ John, To use the vernacular, "It don't take much Semtex to "blow up some things," yes? --Thomas ________________________________________

_________________________________ Great stuff, Bernice! Thanks for posting it! What's particularly interesting to me is the the fact that, in the first and third frames that you posted, the detective or private citizen (or whatever he his) doesn't seem to be looking directly at the "liquid pool" (to use Roberdeau's terminology) which is indicated by a big white arrow in one of the frames you posted. So what's he looking at? The burger bag? The broken soda pop bottle? On a separate issue, I've looked at Don Roberdeau's absolutely wonderful but somewhat-information-overloaded "plat" of Dealey Plaza many, many many many times, but for the life of me I can't find more than one "liquid pool" or pool of blood!!! The only one I can find is the "liquid pool" on the walkway near Roberdeau's self-labeled "Cupola Shelter #3" and "Burger Bag On Bench." Where is the other pool of blood that members of The Forum talk about? (In spite of what Mr. David G. Healy thinks of me, I actually do believe that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, and yes, I'd really like to know the answer to this (probably) very, very stupid question.) Bernice, James, Robin, Lee, John, Dan ... anyone? Thanks --Thomas __________________________________

_______________________________________ Isn't Lackland AFB in San Antonio? --Thomas _______________________________________

_______________________________ Hey Shanet, Congratulations! --Thomas _______________________________

It's like any meme -- some are informational, others are geared toward making a buck. In this case, it's safe to say that filthy lucre rules the day. ________________________________ How enlightening. --Thomas ________________________________