Thomas Graves

_________________________________ John, Just to play Devil's Advocate here, don't you think it's remotely possible that Brewer's assistant's kid really was ill that day and that that's why the assistant took the day off? (I do love your "theory," however. Keep up the good work.) --Thomas ________________________________

________________________________ Bernice (or somebody), Please rephrase it so that I can understand, especially the part that goes, "...not from hers compared to his, but from his...and others...and printed in some way into hers......" (Holy cow!) Sorry, probably too much Ballantine's "Finest," yes?, no? --Thomas ________________________________ "...not from hers ( book) compared to his ( book) , but from his...( book ) and others.( books)..and printed in some way into hers..( book)...." ( Holy cow! ) hard....... Lee and I were talking about information within books...! ""Sorry, probably too much Ballantine's "Finest," yes?, no? --Thomas "" B.... _______________________________ Yes!! _______________________________

Lamar Waldon gave me this information via email. I believe Larry Hancock also has information on this. _______________________________ Yo, Lamar! Yo, Larry! --Thomas _______________________________

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___________________________ Thanks Ron. I thought maybe I was the only one... Fascinating stuff. --Thomas ___________________________

Steven Gaal is presently attacking Charlie Black as a "disinformation agent." What's interesting to me is that Charlie's photo is posted but a photo of Steven Gaal, member since 6/16/04, isn't. Paranoid, Steven? Hmm? Are you trying to make your claim to fame by "outing" other bonifide researchers? What a loser. The first two links you posted aren't worth a s---. Sorry I didn't go any further, but I figured that if you couldn't make your case, unambiguously, with the first two links... --Thomas _____________________________________________

What a ridiculous post. I'd bet I could do a search for Steven Gaal and find a serial killer or other such lunatic of the same name. While I don't always agree with Charlie, I know him to be a vociferous CT, a believer in Z film alteration, and believes a coup took place in Dallas on November 22, 1963. This accusation should be referred to the moderating committee. RJS __________________________________ I agree. And what interesting is that "Black" is a much more common name than "Gaal." --Thomas __________________________________

Hi John, Please ask your source what he/she knows about Paul Ogg. Thanks, --Thomas _________________________________________________

__________________ Thanks, Mr. Caddy-- Interesting stuff! --Thomas _________________

________________________________ Bernice (or somebody), Please rephrase it so that I can understand, especially the part that goes, "...not from hers compared to his, but from his...and others...and printed in some way into hers......" (Holy cow!) Sorry, probably too much Ballantine's "Finest," yes?, no? --Thomas ________________________________

_________________________________ Rain Man, I resemble that remark. -------------------------------------- Stevie, I think you've got a lot of damn "gall" to accuse Charlie of being a "disinfo agent." Seriously. ________________________________

____________________________________ Now that's interesting. I wonder how many matched and/or unmatched halves of dollar bills were found there altogether? Very suspicious "hobby," especially for a man who was so short of money... --Thomas ____________________________________

____________________________________ Just out of curiosity, was Brewer's new car "captured" in any of the photos taken during Oswald's arrest? --Thomas G. ____________________________________

____________________________________ That's hilarious! His eye color is probably recorded in his merchant marine and/or USMC records. It would be interesting to see if they were as light as represented in the Memphis Police Department's drawing of the alleged assassin of MLK... --Thomas ____________________________________

____________________________________ James, What color eyes did REJ have? Thanks, --Thomas ___________________________________

------------------------ [Al Carrier quote:] Tosh, Sorry to hear that you will not be posting anymore. I strongly feel you can make sense out of this for all of us and should reconsider. There have been many victims of government operations whether it be their direct actions or their failures, and you are definitely one of them. [...] You have a direct insight into our past whether it be 1963 or the early eighties, and we should respect what you have to offer and learn from it. In my many years of research and service, I have came across very few whom I consider as valuable as you in regards to a window of our past and asset to learning the truth. There are many who will attack you and that should only motivate you greater into providing the answers to the questions of serious researchers and new learners in order to keep this flame burning. [...] Al [unquote] ---------------------- __________________________________ I agree with Al. Unfortunately, an over-jealous, newbie-at-the-time, self-righteous "member" of The Forum once-too-often tried to bear-bait Mr. Plumlee with a laundry list of asinine, loaded questions intended to get him to "incriminate himself," and unfortunately succeeded only in getting him to call him/her a "@#$%!" (and leave)... Too bad. --Thomas __________________________________

Despite the difference in age of the person(s) in the photo here, and the one John posted, they look strikingly similar to me. ___________________________________ In the photos of the "three tramps," "Frenchy" looks quite short to me. Anyone know how tall Robert Emmett Johnson, "Raoul," and/or any of the former real-life "tramps" (conveniently named by the DPD about 25 years after the hit) were? Now, let's see-- Charles Rogers was quite short, wasn't he? Hmm... let's see-- friend of Ferrie, associate of Marcello, former Naval Intelligence, CIA agent, prime suspect in (literal) butchering of his parents, disappears immediately after the assassination, etc etc. Hmm... Thanks, --Thomas __________________________________

______________________________ His nickname was "Saul." His real name was "Mario Tauler Sague." --Thomas ______________________________

I read about the "3-bullet suicide" of Daniel Burros, American Nazi Party member, in Pennsylvania. At the time of his suicide, he was allegedly at the home of Roy Frankhouser. The name of Daniel Burros was found in Oswald's address book. Mark, Two days before his death, Burros was confronted by reporters about his Jewish background and what he would do if that information was published. Burros responded by saying, "I'll have to retaliate, Do you understand? If you publish that, I'll come and get you and I'll kill you. I don't care what happens. I'll be ruined. This is all I've got to live for." Burros carried a Klan card identifying him as a King Kleagle which is basically the chief organizer. He also published a tabloid called 'The Free American' that openly promoted genocide as the best means of as he said, 'dealing with the Negro and Jewish problems.' FWIW. James ______________________________________________ Fascinating post on a very interesting thread, making this a very timely bump-'d-bump!! Yeah! --Thomas ______________________________________________

Here is the extract from Final Judgment to which Mark referred: Sid, interesting how JFK authors repeat mythology surrounding the Big D on the one hand, but are right on the money concerning the Del -Tex building as a sniper location on the other. How do you suppose that works? Sam Bloom worked on the White House Conference on Equal Employment and the National Advisory Committee on Desegregation at the behest of Kennedy, and was a chief architect in the successful move to desegregation in Dallas. Bloom employed 350 people. His agency had departments. One such department handled PR. The head of the PR department was Helen Holmes. Ms Holmes was the one who handled the bulk of the work concerning the trip. Later, Ms Holmes branched out on her own and did a lot of work for the Republican Party. I guess Bloom just wasn't fussy who he hired... It is a fact that there were wealthy Jews in Dallas, but with only one or two exceptions, their influence did not go beyond the Jewish community. The same can be said for most leaders in ethnic communities in the West. The Citizens Council certainly did have a lot of power, but the leaders of the CC were neither ethnic, nor "anti-Semitic White Anglo-Saxon Protestant oil plutocrats." Despite those types not running the Citizens Council, Dallas was a stronghold of the extreme right. If you think all the literature on this (whether JFK related, or not) is wrong, I suggest you at least read the letters sent by Larrie Schmidt to Larry Jones and Bernard Weissman. In one letter, he urged Jones to convince Weissman to both change religion and name prior to coming to Dallas, and explicitly states how much his hoped for backers hated Jews. All that said, I do not exonerate the Citizens Council from having played a role in manipulating the motorcade route. Pinpointing just who pulled the strings on that isn't so cut and dry, and may require looking at various intricate relationships between those businessmen, certain politicians and intelligence personnel. Greg, Your claim that Jewish influence in Dallas did not extend beyond the Jewish community is merely an opinion, imo. As a statement of fact, it certainly can't be proven. Jewish influence in Dallas circa 1963 (and more importantly, support for the state of Israel in Dallas circa 1963) is often dismissed by those citing the argument that right-wing rednecks are universally anti-Semitic. It's true, the stereotypical redneck hates Jews--and hispanics, asians, africans and all ethnic minorities. However, the possibility that the conflict between JFK and Israel played a role in the assassination can't be dismissed on the basis of a widely held belief in the behavior of stereotypes, imo. Jack Ruby took the precaution of changing his name and subsequently carried out clandestine operations on behalf of Israel while living and working right in the heart of redneck centrale. He moved to Dallas in 1947--one year before Israel's creation. Establishing a base of operations in a locality where it is presumed that an anti-semitic hostility prevails could be regarded as quite dumb--or perhaps the perfect cover. Also, the fact that Bloom was appointed to an official capacity by JFK doesn't exonerate him from suspicion, imo. JFK also appointed Myer Feldman as his advisor--ostensibly as a reward to the Jewish lobby for its support of his 1960 campaign. However, RFK is on record as stating that Feldman's 'major interest was Israel rather than the US' (see Piper thread). Where Feldman's real loyalties lay is very much an open question and I believe Bloom might fall into the same category. It's clear to me that JFK was betrayed by those who had his confidence, as well as by those, like LBJ, who he kept at arm's length. __________________________________ Fascinating, "enlightening" thread --Thomas __________________________________

______________________________________ Excellent work, John, particularly the videos which deal directly with the facts surrounding the assassination itself. Thanks! --Thomas ______________________________________

_______________________________________ Seein' as how the photo was (supposedly) taken in Communist Cuba, it might be a Russian car... --Thomas _______________________________________ I thought that was taken in Mexico City, Mexico, at the Cuban Embassy? JWK ________________________________ Damn, JW, you're right. I can't believe I did that. Not enough Jameson (Irish whiskey), I suppose... --Thomas (Mahon) Graves P.S. Since it was (supposedly) taken in Mexico outside the Embassy of a Communist country, it must be a U.S. car, right? (Just kidding.) ________________________________

_______________________________________ Seein' as how the photo was (supposedly) taken in Communist Cuba, it might be a Russian car... --Thomas _______________________________________

___________________________________________ The one on the left looks like a full-sized '62 Chevy. The one on the right might be a '63 Mario Tauler Sague "hardtop." --Thomas ___________________________________________

______________________ Peter, I guess what I'm grousing about is that this thread (and some others like it) should be moved, IMHO, to a different part of The Education Forum, even if it means having to set up a new subsection in Controversial Issues in History-- ("Why I Loathe the U.S. Military Industrial Congressional Intelligence Complex" or "Dem Dirty Rotten Rich American #@&*%@ Done Did It Again!" come to mind as good possibilities. I just don't see how this thread and some others like it are helping us to figure out who (specifically) organized and "done the deed." Darn. Oh well ladies and gentlemen, carry on, --Thomas ________________________________ BUMP ________________________________ ______________________