Michael Crane

Thomas, Forum member Tosh Plumlee was kind enough to supply this photo of one of the Ramblers that could have or probably was used after the assassination (he did not mention it`s exact location) I wish that I would have saved the other two.If I remember correctly....the blue sticker that is visable on the rear side window has something to do with Mexico.

Thanks Thomas, Going back to Tosh`s description of DCM....Yes,he states that "Gator" had a missing finger & a abnormally large Adam`s apple. FWIW) It appears that Tosh & Sergio were almost directly across the street from UM & Gator/DCM.

Hopefully somebody besides myself will remember that Tosh Plumlee on this very forum identified the DCM as Gator,a man he knew from the CIA.He flew back to South Florida right after the assassination with pilot Emanuel Rojas,Sergio,Gator & two other individuals that he did not know.

Speaking of "other films" wouldn`t it be nice to have been able to view the film that Commander Pitzer was rumored to have?

Bernice, Isn`t the picture that you are looking for on the second page of this thread? It was posted by James Fetzer I believe.

Sorry Greg, I was under the impression that you might have seen a different film. My misunderstanding.

I find it refreshing that we have a member such as Greg who has seen a different copy of the film.I would just like to ask you Greg is how close would you estimate that the person filming the motorcade was to Abraham Zapruder?

Just so you know.... I copied and pasted the comments.Why there contains spaces & the smiley face....I have no idea what-so-ever how they got there.

I could only find this Robin. Embalmina and reconstruction of the President’s head: -Mr. Robinson said he worked right over the President for over 3 hours, but that he was NOT the person who reconstructed the President’s head; he said that was done by John Van Hoesen. -Embalming was done before reconstruction. -The President suffered from some very slight blue discoloration under the eyes, but that the area -._-. ., around his eyes was not “black and blue” by any means; to IRobinson this was evidence that President ..-.. - -.-.- Kennedy was “instantly dead” when shot. He based this opinion on his previous observations of autopsies and cadavers during embalming. --.-_ -Robinson said that Ed Stroble (now deceased) had cut out a piece of rubber to cover the open wound --.. in the back of the head, so that the embalm~ing fluid __...., would not leak; the piece of rubber was slightly larger than the hole in the back of the head, and Robinson estimated that the rubber sheet was a circular patch about the size of a large orange (demonstrating this with a circular motion joining the index fingers and thumbs of his two hands). -He said the cranium was packed with material during reconstruction, but that he did not believe it was plaster-of-Paris; rather, he said it was either cotton or kapok material used in conjunction with a hardening compound. The Rubber sheet was used outside of this material to close the wound in the area of missing bone. The scalp was sutured together, and also onto the rubber sheet to the maximum extent possible, and the damage in the back of the head was obscured by the pillow in the casket when the body lay in repose, so that upon completion of embalming and application of restorative art, President Kennedy’s body was ready for an open casket funeral, if one had been requested. No damage to the head could be seen when Gawlefs crew had finished their work. In this condition, President Kennedy’s head was laying on the pillow in the casket, turned slightly to the right. -Robinson described in considerable detail the embalming procedures employed re: infusion of the _~ .._.. thoracic region and head with formaldehyde. -Robinson said that there was considerable pressure on the Gawlefs crew to finish their work as soon ___. as possible, and that it was coming from an Admiral. He recalled becoming upset by this, and being calmed down by Joe Hagan; he recalled responding to one query about when they would be finished by saying, “You can’t put on make-up with a barn brush!” He remembered with pride that someone else in the morgue said that the President “looked good” when they hadf&shed their work, and Robinson reiterated at this point that an open casket funeral could have been held if the Kennedy family had desired one. -When asked whether the pathologists stayed in the morgue during the embalming and reconstructive work, he said they did not http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md180.pdf

My postal connections at The Six Floor Museum have informed me that the event was captured on film,but the film appears to have been spliced & possibly altered.

Pat, I found this information on this website interesting.Although I`m pretty sure that you probably know about it 10 times over. Not sure if it`s related. http://www.whokilledjfk.net/well.htm

Ron, I live in Northern Ca & have Comcast Cable so it`s on channel 27 in my area.Tru Tv is on channel 204 for those who have Dish Network.Channel 246 for those who have Direct TV.

Interesting that the photo shows what could be a Nash Rambler in the background near the fence line.

It was a velosity question that I enquired about Jim.Having replaced my share of float,tempered & yes,even laminated glass,I never studied how or where the bullets came to rest. Thanks again.

Actually,what I was implying is that the ARRB was going up against one of the best pitchers in baseball who happens to hold the all-time record with 110 shut outs. Hard to win.

Not to deflect the discussion at hand,but I work in the glass industry,and have seen what bullet holes do to glass.I have never known the velocity that bullets keep after impact with laminated glass.Thanks Jim,you have educated me with your last post of how this has been accomplished by Jim Lewis.

Sounds like the ARRB was playing hardball,but Walter Johnson was pitching.

Thank you for the help Douglas.Unfortunately I`m still unable to listen.I appreciate your effort.

I clicked on the link provided,and it prompted me to download Windows Media Player Extension.I did that,and still was unable to listen. Well,I clicked on the "X" like it told me to.

There is no question in my mind Tosh,that you are an asset to this forum.I myself have never judged you. I have tried to utilize the search function on this site,but have been unsucessful.

It`s so interesting that Tosh & Sergio were so close to a shooter.

No mud on the drivers side.Passenger`s side....not so much.

Thanks Doug, The reason I asked about the elevation is because of the trajectory it would have taken.With Elm Street being on a decline,and the shooter elevated....seems like the shot would have hit JFK lower on the body if it came through the windshield that`s all.

Doug, It`s the throat shot from in front that I`m having the most trouble with.In your opinion,did this shot occur from 10,11,12 or 1 or 2 O`clock from the front of JFK?Also,was this shooter elevated at all?

Tosh, That is some powerful information.A tremendous contribution to the forum. I applaud you sir.