Ed LeDoux

A very nice example, Eagle top with crossed batons Generic 50's badge. The image: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-003153400%201305622854_thumb.jpg from ebay is a Crossing Guard from the Dallas area. Was told they often hired ex-DPD.

The Hidell portions of this post are mentioned merely to illustrate that David Kerr is an important name to remember; I cannot state conclusively that the obit posted of David Kerr, is one and the same as the Kerr cited in the WC Document, but I strongly suspect that it is. At 1:30 a.m. on 11/24/63 Mr David Kerr Office of Naval Intelligence, contacted SAIC Rice by telephone, advising that a thorough search had been made of the Marine Corps records with the following results: There are four persons on active duty by the name of J. Evans, and twelve on inactive duty . . . . He said that there was only one officer, Lieutenant John Stewart Evans . . . who might be associated with Oswald's reference. He further advised that there is no record of a "Hidell" either on active duty or inactive; and that the only similar name is John R. Heindel,age thirty-eight, born in Louisiana, who is not active, his record being available at the Federal Records Center, St. Louis. CE 3119, p. 12 Anchorage Daily News (AK) - September 24, 1991 Deceased Name: DAVID KERR Eklutna resident David Larry Kerr, 44, died Sept. 17 at his Thunderbird Falls home. A memorial service will be conducted at 10 a.m. Wednesday at Chapel No.1, Elmendorf Air Force Base. Chaplain Thomas Klaasen will officiate. Those planning to attend the service must call the Base Chapel Center at 552-2962 or 552-4462 to get on a list of those who will be allowed through the base gates. Mr. Kerr was born July 17, 1947, in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. He was raised in California and Arkansas, graduating from Flippin High School in Flippin, Ark., before joining the U.S. Navy. He received training as a machinist's mate and served on the USS James Madison, a nuclear submarine, for 3 and 1/2 years during the Vietnam War. After his discharge, he entered civil service. He served on Shemya from 1971 to 1972, at Elmendorf from 1972 until 1985, at Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines from 1985 to 1986, and again at Elmendorf from 1986 until the time of his death. Mr. Kerr was employed there as a shift foreman at the power plant. According to family and friends, he was a talented mechanic who could fix anything and really enjoyed helping others. His other hobbies were auto mechanics and fishing. He was a member of the Eagle River Chugiak American Legion Post No. 33 and the Amvets Post No. 2 of Anchorage. He is survived by his wife, Michelle of Eklutna; his sons, George and Kenneth of Chugiak; his daughter Trieneke of Gassville, Ark.; his father, Kenneth of Gulfport, Miss.; his mother, Hilda Kirby of Mountain Home, Ark.; his sisters, Trieneke Self of Bull Shoals, Ark., and Della Robson of Reno, Nev.; his half- brothers, David and James; and half-sisters, Della and Jeannie, all of Gulfport. Honorary pallbearers will be: Larry Mulnow, Bill Dean, Bill Self, Chris Woodard, John Sallee and Ross Jardine. Arrangements were by Witzleben Family Funeral Homes and Crematory, Bragaw Chapel. Robert, What questions do you have about or what would you want to know about David Kerr?

Thanks Greg! Jack, Those postings in The Other Film are great! Get healed up quick my friend. All the best, Ed

Thanks all! Some examples show hats in the plaza are not the same. Dallas traffic had an metal band not gold piping above the visor. And no badges stand proud above the hat like HBM's does. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-011772300%201305743179_thumb.jpg http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-076293600%201305743017_thumb.jpg This shows two traffic cops with the white hats. The far left one has a rain slicker on...but its the standard light colored not dark. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-068868000%201305743037_thumb.jpg Bernice, That close-up of the pergola with what appears to be a woman holding a bag in the same manner. Thanks Edit for clarity

Hat Badge Man -part 2 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-044410700%201305623093_thumb.jpg Many remember my foray into the Hat Badge Man and tracking down what agency used that badge in late 1963 Dallas Texas. I listed many examples that showed the badge was a popular style then. Many versions. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-012680200%201305622638_thumb.jpg The closet example of late is this: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-003153400%201305622854_thumb.jpg Entire posting of an Example can be seen here: http://cgi.ebay.com/p80-VINTAGE-DALLAS-TEXAS-POLICEMAN-PHOTO-BADGE-18-/380287420280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ae58778 Some close ups of the Example Hat Badge VINTAGE-DALLAS-TEXAS-POLICEMAN-PHOTO-BADGE-18: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-010544600%201305622980_thumb.jpg Now I believe it significant a Badged man (and woman) are walking away while everyone else is running towards the action? I still think its an area of grey that needs more attention. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-5641-044410700%201305623093_thumb.jpg I mean is their any info on who these two were? Whom he worked for and what they witnessed? Can they be seen in any other photos or films? ? ? Thanks, Ed

Wow that is a bad day Thomas. So sorry to hear of your loss. You ever think of doing what your Father did and adopt? You know the full circle thing. My condolences, Ed Carpe Vino

Ann Atterberry was a 26-year-old reporter for the "women's page" at the Dallas Morning News. She wasn't assigned to cover the presidential visit, so she bought a sandwich in the paper's cafeteria and joined three friends to watch the lunchtime motorcade. "It was really Jackie we wanted to see," she told me. "We wanted to get past the big crowds, so we went down to Dealey Plaza and sat on the curb and ate our lunches." Atterberry walked me over to the spot, just east of the grassy knoll. She recalled how the motorcade turned sharply onto Elm and crept down the hill, passing within 10 feet of her. "I thought (Jackie) looked great in her pink pillbox hat. The sun was out, and her pink suit radiated. She was not terribly older than we were." This was the end of the parade. In just a few seconds the motorcade would pass under the Triple Underpass and speed off to a luncheon at the Dallas Trade Mart. "Jack and Jackie both looked pleased, and relieved," Atterberry said. "As they passed by us they waved, and they both made eye contact with us." Tears moistened her eyes, and her voice cracked. "I've often wondered if the four of us were the last thing he ever saw." At almost the same instant, she heard the first crack of gunfire. "My first reaction was that it was a firecracker," she said. "I thought that was awfully rude. I was just turning to see where the sound came from when I heard the second shot. Just as I realized what it was, I heard the third shot, and then there was no doubt in my mind. We all burst into tears. "It was absolute chaos. People on the knoll threw themselves on the ground. A motorcycle fell over and was left in the middle of the street. People were running everywhere." Atterberry had been standing about 100 feet from Zapruder, and I asked her if she was in the famous home movie. She said she could never bring herself to look at it. (Later I watched the film in slow motion; there are four young women just where she said she and her friends were.) "It's haunted me ever since," she said. "My roommate, one of the girls I was with that day, joined Kennedy's Peace Corps not long after that. Her psychologist told her she was doing this to atone, and she said no, but of course she was." And maybe a similar instinct is what brings the rest of us to Dealey Plaza. http://www.earthcam.com/news/media/article..._11-16-2003.pdf

You nailed it then and now Jack. They should be seen in street in Z and strangely are ???not there??? People are still in the street in Dorman till after the limo and following motorcycles pass, yet street is clear(ing) in Z. Following cycles are very near curb in Z yet in Dorman seem nowhere near curb... am I seeing this correctly? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA Towner Missing frames http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xtwBULHBFg

Thanks Chris, the slower speed helped too. That bone fragment(?) really had some velocity imparted to it, If that is what were seeing. I would wonder what the trajectory of the fragment is in to relation to the limo (ie to the left or right, or straight forward) . Bill, Thanks for showing the piece exiting to the rear also.

So 8 frames are missing starting at 84....I have a feeling Chris is going to show us where the limo was at during those missing frames. This is getting good, I was wondering where you were going with this and now I think I see. Towner could not have shot at 24 frames a second because the camera doesn't have that speed setting, correct? Only slow = 48fps, or normal = 16-18fps, yet we have some speed in between. So the film was "adjusted" to fit with the other films by manipulating it, and that was done by removing 8 frames, correct? Continue please!

That is interesting to say the least. Good eye Chris. Could you show a gif with the frames that are directly before and after the streak (5 frames) and a little slower. Does this appear to be coming from his head, rather than towards it? Chunk of the cranium maybe...or?

Very good deductive reasoning Neville on these points. See my post "Oswald and the Amazing Technicolor Jacket" for even more hilarious jacket comparisons. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ost&p=86471 I liked how you prefaced "SAW" the shooting as Benavides states he heard a shot and ducked down only looking up to see Tippit on the ground and the shooter turning to leave. Markham with the hand over the eyes. and Scoggins hiding behind his cab. Lets not forget the witnesses Acquilla Clemons and Frank Wright and how they were ignored by the authorities, but they chose the three blind mice to prop up the 'Oswald did it' fantasy.

Now now boys. Lets keep things civil and get back on topic please. Where were we...oh yeah Gary Mack. I have had numerous "discussions" where he expressed his views and I stood my ground and was not persuaded by his arguments. He has a right to his opinions and I mine, Tippit being a major one. If your easily flummoxed by one person trying to steer you one way or the other then your skin is much too thin for the likes of The Mack. As for Denis saying he is "...undoubtedly the most knowledgeable researcher on this forum, arguable in the world. Because he only deals in facts and not wild theory..." I do not agree. Gary tried to convince me the Medium Grey jacket was Oswald' and he might have picked it up at a second hand store or garage sale, as it was getting cold and he may have needed a warm coat. Sounds not only like wild speculation but a non sequitur, he already had a warm jacket for winter. Maybe in the spring he would have bought a size small windbreaker with all that cash he was carrying ($184+) , and with that kind of dough he would be able to buy new retail! Gary would say he was to cheap or frugal to buy new clothes, so Gary why buy it at all if you already have a nice warm coat and are so tight with money you can't buy your kid shoes but your buying extra jackets. So yeah Gary does not always make a convincing argument. Our ideas on what a reporter would/should do have clashed too with regards to seeing a rifle pointing out of a window and not even snapping a photo or trying to get a scoop on a sniper shooting at a Presidential Motorcade, or perhaps pointing this out to a cop. If you know there is a shooter in a window of a building but did nothing personally or professionally about it I find that hard to believe. So your choice would be to not follow the cop running to the building or take even a single photo of the exterior? Gary say's yes a good reporter would not deviate and stick with your assignment, to which I say then why get out of the car and run around the knoll? Why not stay in the car which will take off and possibly leave you with nothing but pictures of people lying on the grass and miss going to the Trade-Mart for a (YAWN) speech. NO, a good reporter goes where the story takes him. The baloney about other reporters will be coming along soon enough doesn't cut it. Your there, the story is there, you jumped out of a car to chase that story but ignore the very thing that makes the story, the shooter, and the cop about to confront said shooter. Let the next reporter go to the Trade-Mart and get the reaction there, whats the difference. Difference is the next reporter wouldn't know what you know about the rifle/which window/sixth floor/ etc. and would be less effective at that scene. Whereas both you and the next reporter along would be equal when it comes to the Trade-Mart story. Get it. About the wallet, he made it seem the reporter could never make a mistake about its ownership. As if he was infallible. I had to point out all the news reports which, in the heat of the moment, were without substantiated facts reported and later found to be wrong. Seems Gary always wants his cake and to eat it too. People are wrong only when it is convenient for him, and not vice verse. The fact is he is very knowledgeable about all these things, yet has some strange quirk that doesn't let him believe his own eyes at times. Sorry Gary but I needed to come clean here in this confessional about what I perceive to be your underlying faults. I can't sit quietly and be jabbed with a SFM stick and not develop a strong opinion about such prodding. If he has some secret knowledge about this case and still speculates like a novice then I have to question why?? I do thank him for his help (be it asked for or not) and have, I hope, returned the favor when I can, seems the decent thing to do. I don't think too many of us here agree on all the minutia or even some of the larger aspects, but at least we can see that it only takes one fact to go from conspiracy theory to a conspiracy. You with us on that Gary?

Yes thank you Dennis, "Men" (plural) Walking East on 10th? Corroborates other witnesses who saw more than one person. (Acquillla Clemons, although it is possible she saw Benavides and Callaway...do we have their clothing descriptions from that day) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-OH06xqX2g "Sped off in my auto" ? Then how did he see that there "were more than enough people there and I could not see what I could contribute" if he "sped off? Did he circle back? If he did where does he mention this, and how much later? If he went through the intersection he had to pass in front of Scoggins and Markham. Markham would be at the corner waiting then for Tatum to pass by so she could continue on. Belin tries twice to get Benavides to say in the middle of the street or verify where on the street the car had stalled: Mr. Benavides. I had lunch. And then this man had stalled this car in the middle of the street and asked me if I would fix it. Something was wrong with the carburetor, or pump that had broken in it, and I went around to the parts house to get the parts for it. Mr. Belin. Where had the man's car stopped in the middle of the street? Mr. Benavides. Well, on Patton Street. Mr. Belin. Patton and what? Mr. Benavides. Between Jefferson and 10th. Mr. Belin. A car stopped in the middle of the street between-- Mr. Benavides. Jefferson and Tenth. Of course we would like to know who this stalled car belonged to or what it looked like but alas we are left wondering.... Frank Wright lived along the street from the spot where Tippit was killed, and heard the shots as he sat in his living room. While his wife telephoned for help, Wright went straight to his front door. He later told researchers: "I was the first person out," and caught sight of Tippit in time to see him roll over once and then lie still. Wright also said, "I saw a man standing in front of the car. He was looking toward the man on the ground. I couldn't tell who the man was on the ground. The man who was standing in front of him was about medium height. He had on a long coat. It ended just above his hands. I didn't see any gun. He ran around on the passenger side of the police car. He ran as fast as he could go, and he got into his car... He got in that car and he drove away as fast as you could see.... After that a whole lot of police came up. I tried to tell two or three people what I saw. They didn't pay any attention. I've seen what came out on television and in the newspaper but I know that's not what happened. I know a man drove off in a gray car. Nothing in the world's going to change my opinion." http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKStippet.htm

An interview with Johnny Calvin Brewer (JCB): Johnny Calvin Brewer had sold a pair of shoes to Oswald on one occasion maybe "a month before" in fact he remembered them as a "two-eyelet, crepe-soled shoe, model 8110, black, size eight and a half." (pictured and identified in CE147) He said Lee paid cash, five dollars and seventy cents. On the 22nd JCB was listening to KLIF (?) and "a live broadcast about the motorcade, then commotion and something about shots being fired." He then heard about a "shooting in the Oak Cliff area." JCB does not recall any mention of a policeman down, but was interested because of the close proximity and then the sound of police cars converging at or towards Zangs and Jefferson. Only description he recalls hearing over the radio was of "a male five feet nine, medium size build, no clothing description." Brewer was about to exit the store to see "what was going on, when someone entered from Zangs Boulevard direction into the recessed area and stood-and we were looking at each other." Johnny said "I was a little annoyed because I thought it was someone coming in as I was fixing to go out. And when the police had gone by he (Oswald) looked over his shoulder and then walked out onto the sidewalk again, looked, and then walked quickly but calmly-and I stood there, it couldn't have been more than five seconds." After Brewer said something to the two IBM men who were hanging out in the store he went outside and saw him by Thomsen's furniture store and he entered the Texas Theater, "I saw him go in." Johnny stated that "I didn't know whether he bought a ticket or not." He checked his store and one of the IBM guys had locked the door so he decided he better check and went down there to the TT. He saw Julie (Julia Postal) and asked "Julie, did you sell a ticket...?" and gave a description. She said no and had been out on the street watching. Brewer then decided to go in to see if he could spot him as "there's something funny." Inside he talked to Butch Burroughs and asked him if he had seen anybody, but Butch said no as he was down behind the counter stocking concessions. He and Butch went up in the balcony and using the screen as a backlight (sic) could see there were no heads up there. (the balcony was empty) Brewer then checked the fire exit (which has to be reset if someone exited) to the left of the stage and it was still "locked." He then went and told Julie to call the police about the "suspicious person." JCB is now back at the fire exit waiting for the police to arrive when the house lights turn on but the movie is still running and he can see police up in the balcony (plain clothes and uniformed). Then Brewer spots him (Oswald) and Lee gets up from the center section downstairs and walks to the aisle on his right. He took a couple steps towards the aisle but then sat down again. Johnny hears knocking on the fire exit and opens it. "They grabbed me and pulled me out into the alley and I explained to them that I had seen this man acting suspiciously." He then showed the police (McDonald whom he knew for a few months) the man by pointing him out from the stage. McDonald first and another officer "jumped off the stage and they were tapping patrons on the shoulder-some down front-and telling them to get up and move. So they were actually clearing it." McDonald "walked over to Oswald and tapped him and told him to get up and there's a lot of blur and think I hear Oswald say 'Its over now' or something." ..Anyway he got up and he's trying to hit McDonald and he's knocked him back..... About this time "he reaches under his shirt and pulls out a pistol. McDonald is getting back up and lunging for him and Oswald's got the gun. McDonald says he pulled the trigger but I feel I saw the hammer-um, McDonald, I believe, says that the hammer hit the fleshy part of his hand between the firing pin and the hammer. I know he had the gun out there." He is trying to shoot Nick in the head. After that he got real excited. There was Oswald and the police falling over the chairs, etc. and more police with with their guns out came in, Brewer got down. As they wrestled the gun from him, Brewer looked up...there were several fists thrown in Oswald's direction and he was handcuffed and led out the front. Brewer states: "And as I was going to leave I was stopped by two FBI or plain clothes and they took my name and address." (No Case To Answer- Ian Griggs, 2005. chapter 8, pages 55-65) Interview of 11-25-1996 !An interesting note, JCB lived in the same apartment block as Carousel Club stripper Kathy Kay, who he had known along with her two daughters Susan and Sheri. This interview still leaves many unanswered questions while shedding light on some. Such as: were there people in the balcony...No, not according to Brewer. Did someone take down the names...Yes, according to Brewer. Did Oswald pull out the gun...according to Brewer, Yes. Of the unanswered ones they are too numerous to list.... Ed

Back to the topic...for now. Great find Royce. Mr. Mccullough. ..... assignment in Dallas. But most of the time I was on the floor and in a corridor outside the room in which principals in the assassination of the President and the subsequent events were being questioned by Dallas police officials. And I believe by members of the Federal agencies. I was not alone. There were at least 50 other reporters along this narrow corridor. It was around midnight, to the best of my recollection, when they brought a man who police told us was Lee Harvey Oswald into an interrogation room. Trying to get a look at the physical setup inside this room, I stood briefly on a metal ashtray that was on the corridor. And coming down from this metal ashtray, I hit with my right elbow a man who was standing beside me. I apologized for bumping into the man and expressed the hope that I had not struck his notes, assuming he was another reporter. He explained to me that he was not a reporter, that he was a businessman in Dallas, and I noted then that he was carrying a box. I would guess it was about 8 inches to a foot square. And the reason I remember it is on one side, in white lettering, on a blue background, was the word "Alpacuna." It struck me as odd, that a reporter would be carrying a box. And then, of course, when he explained he was a businessman I took a good look at him, because I think reporters get annoyed--because there were enough of us in the corridor without outsiders being there. I mentioned this to another member of the Bulletin staff later, and then discovered after the shooting of Oswald, the man I had bumped into that night was Ruby............... Mr. Griffin. When you saw the man you believed was Ruby, did.he indicate to you what kind of business he was in? Mr. Mccullough. No; he didn't say what kind of business. This is what made the box stay in my mind. I assumed he was a shirt merchant or something, or that it was a sweater. And there, again, the reason for my remembering him was a bit of annoyance on my part that there was outsiders in that row, when it was terribly crowded. Mr. Griffin. Did this look like the kind of box one would carry clothes or shirts or sweaters in? Mr. Mccullough. Only because I in my own mind related the word Alpacuna to some sort of textile trade name. I had never seen the name before. Mr. Griffin. I don't know what Alpacuna is. Have you subsequently learned? Mr. Mccullough. No; and the man at the time was wearing, I believe it is called, a porkpie hat, and he had a topcoat. This, I remembered, because most of the reporters were not wearing topcoats, and certainly were not wearing hats................ Mr. Griffin. I want to go back once again to the identification of the man you think was Ruby. Were you continuously on the third floor from the time that you arrived on Friday night at the police station until you saw this man with the Alpacuna box? Mr. Mccullough. If I was not, it was just briefly to leave and reach a telephone, to try to reach some other member of the Bulletin staff moving around Dallas. In other words, any absence would not be more than 5 or 10 minutes. Because all of the action I was covering was confined to that one floor. Mr. Griffin. Do you recall a man on the third floor who was standing near the homicide office and was identifying members of the police department, most particularly Captain Fritz and Chief Curry, to members of the press? Mr. Mccullough. There were several persons doing this. The persons who were making these identifications for me, actually, however, were local Dallas reporters, two men and a woman. All carrying press credentials. Mr. Griffin. Did any of those persons--obviously not the woman--but did either of the two men bear any resemblance that you recall to Jack Ruby? Mr. Mccullough. No; none at all. The man that I believed to be Ruby was quite stocky. The two reporters were slight, one wore glasses. I believe they were both light-haired. Mr. Griffin. If I were to tell you that so far as we have been able to determine Jack Ruby did not own an overcoat such as you have described, and in fact was not wearing an overcoat on Friday night, would that in any way affect the positiveness of the identification? Mr. Mccullough. Not the overcoat; no. Because, as I say, the only time I looked at this clothing really is as I was coming down, and from the top--what I saw actually was a dark outer coat which I assumed was a topcoat. If I said overcoat, I meant a topcoat. Mr. Griffin. Are you certain in your mind that this man did have a topcoat or outer coat on? Mr. Mccullough. Yes. I paid it no particular heed at the time, though. Mr. Griffin. Well, again, bearing in mind what I have said, that Ruby is not known by anybody else who believes they saw him on Friday night to have been wearing any sort of an outer coat, would that alter the certainty with which you have identified him here today? Mr. Mccullough. No. Actually, because the identification--what makes me believe that the man I bumped into and talked to at least for a moment was Ruby was his face, not the clothing. Now the question, why did Ruby bring the box into the station? .......and what was in the box?

I can't find Livingstone's source for the reference. I would hope someone has the book handy.....anyone? If not I will wait for you Bill to find your source, yeah it does sound like it is from a FBI or similar document. Who else would be able to trace such a garment from manufacture to wholesale to retail in various locations nationwide. I thought that it had to do with Seaport Traders/the pistol/ and California where the jacket was retailed. Your Philly/Paine/jacket connection seems just as plausible. Either way I would like to see where all these references point concerning the sale of this piece of apparel.

Bill, "THE RADICAL RIGHT and the MURDER of JOHN F. KENNEDY" Harrison E. Livingstone (Page 336) "In addition, the jacket bore a label saying it had been created in California, and the investigation showed that it had been sold only there and in Philadelphia, both where Oswald had not been as a civilian................*57" What is Livingstone's source for this information?

Thanks Bill, Not trying to debate the jacket just the source for the Philly claim.

Do you have a reference for this?

Not likely. The Bellew's gas station jacket was made in California. Name Tag said "Created in California- Maurice Holman" per WC exhibit. Should read "Maurice Holtman"

http://www.tonyahardingshotjfk.com/tonyaharding.html No comment

Because she didn't. If the man was wearing a jacket, how could Bledsoe even see his elbow? Steve Thomas Because "some" secret service man showed her the shirt. Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes. Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well--- Mr. BALL - Have you? Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though. Number of questions she was asked about a jacket. Zero. Question: Bledsoe told Oswald where the supermarket was....where was it? Was it "Buddies Supermarket" on 10th and Jefferson, where Milton Jones worked?

No fault intended.... And yes hard to keep track of what is North or South on a Blvd like Jefferson which curves about. But in these locations of interest one would be correct in saying -even South- odd North. I don't mind wandering threads, might learn more by wandering than keeping ones roots firmly planted. Cheers, Ed

Duke, The even numbers are on the South side of the streets. For example: 231 W Jefferson (Texas Theater) which is odd numbered is on the North side of Jefferson. And yes that should put the cafe in the building next to (east of) the black roofed one in your image. Here is "street view" looking south at 604 E. 10th: Where were the "boys", Burt and Smith, when this happened...corner of 9th and Denver...right. The construction site would need to be a brick building across from that...right. Or was it a construction site across from the 10th street address?? Why did Smith say he didn't know if Burt had seen the shooting...?... Because he thought they arrived at 505 E. 10th at different times? But they left 9th and Denver in the same car....right. Yeah that's it we were at Billy's So maybe Burt was at home, 505 E. 10th .....and Smith's story of seeing the person approach the police car and shoot when the officer got out....is that fabricated from talking to Markham? Hell they almost had the same address (328 1/2) why not the same story. The stories don't mesh, at least with where they were when the shooting started, and also as it pertains to this thread, the color of the jacket. That FBI interview with William Lawrence Smith would help sort some of this out. Maybe he is the only witness who doesn't impeach himself....no wonder it's so hard to find!