Vince Palamara

THIS part of Robertson's article sticks out to me:

 The documented bone loss in the rear of the head is in actuality higher than in Dr. McClelland’s diagram

10 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

I've had several people who knew Harry tell me that it wasn't that he was a difficult personality, but that he was mentally ill, and a danger to others. I've heard he made sexual overtures to the children of his fellow researchers. If one person told me that I might believe him, but to have multiple people who didn't see eye to eye on much tell me essentially the same story, well, I am forced to suspect there's a there there. 

Having read several of his books, moreover, only fuels that suspicion. The man spent half his "career" complaining about his fellow researchers and questioning whether or not they were conspiring against him and against the truth. He was paranoid with a capital P, in may opinion. 

So why trash the dead? Well, to put his complaints against Ferrell in context, that's why. 

I witnessed something myself, Pat. During the June 1991 Third Decade conference, many of us went to a local bar/restaurant and this young (21 tops) waitress became the apple of Harry's eyes (Harry was a paunchy and old looking 51 at the time). He gave her his card and one of his books. She was polite but it was extremely obvious she wasn't interested and viewed him as an "old guy." Harold Weisberg wrote of a similar incident in his unpublished manuscript denigrating several from the research community.

I know Harry Livingstone had some scathing things to say about her in KILLING THE TRUTH (1993). That was the book that turned the research community off to Harry. Despite having two best-sellers (one of which was a best-seller twice [High Treason]), Harry was never invited to any major conferences and was treated like a pariah from then on. I personally witnessed when he showed up unannounced at COPA 1996 and researchers were in panic mode. Some of them (grown men) were literally running for cover! Harry showed up at the dinner that night honoring his nemesis Robert Groden and, to our astonishment, he behaved himself.

But back to the subject at hand: Harry thought Mary was evil.

23 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

I thought he wrote a book like this already.

Yes, he did- his second, third and fourth LOL. Not only did he admit in that video above getting rid of everything but a few token items in 2005, he is talking about finding a diary now...hmmm-is it fabricated? Will it "reveal" something to confirm official history (conveniently)?

   Clint Hill and his wife are coming out with a FOURTH book (fifth overall if you include the one she did with Blaine): $$$$$$$$$$$

(I guess he didn't burn everything in 2005 after all* [see video below)]

https://people.com/politics/jackie-kennedy-secret-service-agent-clint-hill-announces-book-about-their-travels/?fbclid=IwAR1zMysD-Zio9G-Nouod3zVftZhlC6ZbINvuLXi2KRDNleSAGX-hDS0Qbzo

5 hours ago, David Lifton said:

Some points.  I was there, in the broadcast booth of WETA, the PBS station in Washington, D.C. Please keep in mind: The Ida Dox drawings were prepared by Ida Dox, working under Humes' verbal direction (my point being: Why wouldn't he agree with a drawing prepared under his direction?  Please explain.)  As to the "start time" of the autopsy: According to Specter's Preliminary Report (dated Feb. 1964): that time was 8 PM.   OTOH: Keep in mind that FBI Agent Sibert, based on his notes, wrote in his report (the S & O report, which is CD 7)), that the "first incision" was made at 8:15 PM.

I don't understand why you are so angry with Humes.  Consider his position on November 22, 1963.  The President of the United States is murdered in Dallas.  He is told that he has been ordered to do the autopsy.  The body is brought into the Bethesda morgue, placed on the autopsy table; and its obvious that there has "medical alteration" of the body.  What was he supposed to do (as I used to say): "Call the Maryland State Police?"  Instead, he writes an autopsy report practically spelling out the fact that the President's body had been altered. (See B.E., Ch  7 - 9).

Now "flash forward" to November 1966: its me, a UCLA  graduate student, calling Humes.  I get him on the phone (all this was recorded) and I confront him with the blunt and explicit statement in the FBI report that (by the time the body was received at Bethesda), that there had been -- as in "already had been" -- "surgery of the head area, namely, in the top of the skull."  I cross examine him sharply about this statement, and now--apparently realizing that I know the record -- he responds.  The mask drops and he says, voice sharply raised,  "I'd like to know by whom it was done! (voice raised), and when!  . . and where!" (See Best Evidence for a detailed discussion of my conversation with Humes).

Bottom line: Humes knew the body (i.e., the wounds) had been altered.

If WC Atty. Arlen Specter had done his job, then --instead of constructing his "single bullet theory" --he would have conducted a proper investigation aimed at the integrity of the President's body , and how it was that JFK's body had arrived at Bethesda "already altered."  I'll always remember Specter's initial reaction to my discovery (as relayed by Prof. Liebeler, immediately after speaking with him): "Specter hopes he gets through this with his balls intact." (Quoting Liebeler, on 10/24/66)

Addressing the question of trajectory, Humes makes that weird statement -- that it was impossible for the bullet to have done anything but "entered from behind"; or to have "exited" from behind.  Humes was able to disguise the truth, by using technical language to talk in riddles, and disguise the truth about President Kennedy's body. (Again, see B.E. for my discussion of Humes' ability to talk in riddles.) (DSL, 4/8/22, 4 AM PST)

David- you were there with Sanford Unger and a reporter, right? I saw that a while ago.

Jean Hill has been a much-maligned witness thru the years, but her first-day story (and the essence of what she espoused from the get-go) is solid. Includes an excellent confirming detail from researcher Wallace Milam on 11/22/1993.

4 hours ago, Chris Bristow said:

I have heard that before but I think it would be safer to get out of the area right away. Once you are gone you are gone but as long as you remain there is still a chance of being found, imo.

Fair enough, but it is a definite possibility to consider. For many years, the thought never even entered my mind to check the trunks. Circa 1963 in those pre-Watergate times and so forth (more naive country, less cynical, etc.), would people running behind the fence have even considered that as an option for a gunman to hide/escape?

Open car trunk-jump in trunk. A confederate drives you away later (or you somehow are able to get out on your own if that is possible- it is in some modern vehicles).

On 3/21/2022 at 8:24 AM, Joe Bauer said:

So often I notice anti-conspiracy, JFK denigrating books that just pop up on the national scene whenever the JFK event starts getting greater publicity than normal.

A women claims JFK had sex with her as a very young woman working as a White House aid. And that JFK actually asked her to pleasure JFK's friend Dave Powers in the White House pool. 

New books countering the conspiracy movement and that get national exposure publicity.

I assume Jim Di's and Oliver Stone's new film, which has recently gotten world press coverage and is being shown on own national TV,  is probably the latest catalyst for this latest "Oswald Lone Nut" promoting tome.

Another thought that pops into my head after watching VP's video above that shows JFK open limo campaign motorcades in so many cities ( Honolulu, Memphis, Tampa etc.) just months before and right up to his Dallas one is that ugly but easily seen 3 inch wide with a bullet diameter hole in the middle dent in the middle of the upper windshield framing of the presidential limo.

All those different drivers, limo transporters, limo cleaners and inspectors all inside and around the Presidential vehicle that was getting an unprecedented work out like JFK's was in the weeks before Dallas... and no one ever thought to mention the ugly bash and hole in the steel plated frame easily and continuously visible right in front of their eyes?

If I saw a dent like that in my own old junker car I would be bothered by it every time I got in it to drive. But in a presidential limo it's no big deal?

Obviously, that ugly dent was created during the Dealey Plaza shooting sequence. And should have been hugely much more investigated than it was.

And at least twice in viewing Clint Hill interviews he responds to audience questions regarding the lack of responsible open windows and roof top security in Dallas.

He simply says they ( his own Secret Service?) just didn't have the resources to do this as people might expect.  ???

But the Dallas PD, Sheriffs and other presidential security agencies like military intelligence didn't either?

And not one security person in the entire Dallas motorcade was assigned with binoculars to scan open upper story windows just before and during JFK's drive just underneath them?

Whether it was Oswald or someone else hanging out the barrel of their rifle outside of the TXSBD 6th floor window while loud blast sound blazing away for 6 seconds they couldn't have had more good fortune than such a lack of common sense security below them.

Heck, Dealey Plaza sidewalk crowd bystanders Aaron Rowland and Carolyn Walthers were more security minded astute than JFK's official guard army that day. Through nothing more than curiosity looking around, they spotted rifle holding men in the open windows of the TXSBD for several seconds just minutes before JFK's drive underneath?

And also idle looking around 15 year old Amos Lee Euins sees a "pipe" rifle gun barrel sticking out of that window while the shooting is going on?

But not anyone in the huge security detail of the JFK motorcade sees any of this?

Please...

 

 

Like I have always demonstrated, they had the resources to guard building rooftops and place agents on the back of the limo (and bracket the limo with many motorcycles) during a TWENTY EIGHT MILE motorcade (JFK's longest domestic motorcade, just a little shorter than his longest that received the same security measures: Berlin June 1963) four days before in Tampa on 11/18/63, yet they couldn't do this for an ELEVEN MILE motorcade in Dallas???

17 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Interesting. As you know, in recent years what might be called alternative-right media has been more open to the real JFKA story than left-wing media. 

But now this Paul Brandus re-hash of Warren Commission talking points---CIA money at work?  Small publishers always need money. 

Brandus is something else---he reached out to me last year about his forthcoming book and was all nice and friendly. I assumed that his book was going to be pro-conspiracy from the way he was ingratiating himself (shades of Posner with Weisberg).

16 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

The publisher of the book---

Post Hill Press, distributed by Simon & Schuster, is a small United States print and e-book publishing house that focuses on publishing "conservative politics" and Christian titles.^[2] The company was founded in 2013, and has offices in New York City and Nashville, Tennessee. In 2017, the company added the Bombardier Books division for conservative politics and military books. In August 2020, they also announced a new imprint, Emancipation Books, to "give a voice to black and minority authors--including conservatives, libertarians, traditional liberals, and iconoclasts--whose nonconforming views are seldom represented in mainstream media, and find themselves increasingly unwelcome at the larger publishing houses."^[3]

Authors published by Post Hill include media personalities, political figures, motivational speakers and commentators such as Dan Bongino, Mel Robbins, K. T. McFarland, Adam Carolla, Ashley Black (creator of Ashley Black's FasciaBlaster), Ramani Durvasula, Robert Woodson, Oliver North, Reggie Williams, Teen Mom stars Maci Bookout, Leah Messer, Amber Portwood, Catelynn Lowell, and Kailyn Lowry,^[4] Venezuelan actress and fashion model Patricia Velasquez,^[5] former presidential candidate Herman Cain,^[6] former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan,^[7] and Dancing With the Stars dancer Karina Smirnoff.^[8] In 2021, it was reported that the press was going to publish a book by the police officer who shot Breonna Taylor; Simon & Schuster said it would refuse to distribute the book.^[2]

Post Hill's publisher is Anthony Ziccardi, formerly publisher of Humanix Books (a division of Newsmax Media) and associate publisher of Simon & Schuster's Gallery imprint.^[9]

In March 2019, Post Hill acquired Fidelis Books from LifeWay Christian Resources.^[10]

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^{Mostly right-wing stuff from the publisher.}  

Very interesting connections. The parent company, Simon & Schuster, published the Blaine and Hill propaganda.

Yet another Oswald-did-it book. The bold part is what made me respond with a video:

John F. Kennedy’s fascination with death—particularly his own—and Lee Harvey Oswald’s love of violence and desire for fame made November 22, 1963 practically inevitable.

With new details from the very latest documents declassified by the CIA and FBI!

The so-called “crime of the century”—the assassination of President John F. Kennedy—was almost preordained to happen. Like all presidents from decades before him, JFK played it loose with security—open cars, Secret Service agents at a distance, and a desire to be seen. Yet conspiracy buffs are certain the security setup on November 22, 1963 was unusual and suspicious. It wasn’t.

And what of Lee Harvey Oswald, the drifter, the vicious wife-beating, fame-seeking narcissist? Everything in his background—dating back to his violent, disturbing grade school years, including his stated desire to murder President Dwight Eisenhower—defines the real Lee Oswald. The Oswald that conspiracists rarely talk about—the Oswald who was perched in the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository as JFK drove by—was headed for this moment of infamy years before he pulled the trigger.

In Countdown to Dallas, author Paul Brandus tracks the backgrounds of both Kennedy and Oswald, the very different era in which they lived, and the incredible string of circumstances that brought them together for a few fateful moments in Dallas.

8 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

DVP and I were on the same side of some issues. One of these was that Bugliosi was 100% in the wrong to quote Mantik's claim Reclaiming History was a "masterpiece" on his book cover. He had to have known the context--that Mantik was saying it was a masterpiece of a one-sided argument, and not a balanced book full of new insights. Another was that the full video of the mock trial should have been made available so people could see what was really said, and not what Showtime deemed worthy of the edited version shown in the U.S. It's a travesty, IMO, that the full version has never been shown or made available. 

As far as defending Bugliosi's misrepresentation  of the Dealey Plaza witnesses, I quoted an authority on the misrepresentation of witness statements. His name was Vincent Bugliosi. And he was not just slightly guilty of hypocrisy.  He spent a substantial part of his book doing what he promised he wouldn't do--take statements out of context and edit statements to change their meaning. There can be no defense of this. Like I said, no one even tried. 

Good points. Bugliosi always acted like that was a real trial.

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Thanks so much Jeff.  And I know you work in that field: The 50 reasons for 50 years series.

 

The book will have the annotated scripts of both films and what was left out of  the interviews.  Which was a lot. As I have said we could have easily gone to six hours.

The DVD package will have both films plus a commentary track by Oliver and myself.  Which he and I are taping this week.

Jim, OUTSTANDING job on the documentaries (both 2 hour and four hour versions)! It is THE best one ever made by a country mile.

Everyone was snapping photos of Oliver Stone in Dallas a couple years back. That is cool and all, but I was saying "Look!! There's Jim DiEugenio!!"

5 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

I also could not make it through Bugliosi's mountain of nonsense. But I did write a response to his book in which I focused on his misrepresentation of witness statements and his utter hypocrisy.

You can read it here: https://www.patspeer.com/chapter19bvincentbistherealoliverstone

P.S. I posted excerpts from this on some JFK forums back in the day and not one of his supporters was willing to defend him. And for good reason. 

Not even DVP, Pat?  DVP worships Bugliosi.

8 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

RFK Jr does have a vocal cord problem.

I have to say: towards the end of his interview, I tapped on Oliver's shoulder and said: ask him if he thinks the assassination of his father was related to the assassination of his uncle.

We cut out a lot of what he said.  But even Bob Richardson, the cameraman, was stunned by how forceful that reply was.   I think it was the single most powerful moment in all of the well over 40 hours of interviews we did. Partly because he is the only member of his  family you could even ask that question to. 

Very interesting!

Yes, at first I chalked it up to a hereditary problem because, like I said, he sounds like Rose Kennedy. I am sorry he has vocal chord problems. I will say this: I can understand everything he says and coming from him adds more weight.

It is no longer listed as a title at Trine Day's website and the author's name does not appear in a search there- I wonder what happened? The book was just released 10/29/21. That said, it wasn't setting the world on fire (only one bad review and frequently in the millions in rankings, not a good thing for a new title). I have it and, truth be told, I was disappointed: not the greatest writing and it did not provide "a point-by-point refutation of Vincent Bugliosi's book Reclaiming History" as advertised. In fact, the book was advertised at 480 pages, yet it only clocked in at 270.

At Amazon, the cover is now gone, as is the author's photo:

Reclaiming Reality: Vincent Bugliosi and the Dallas Conspiracy: Donges, Gregory S.: 9781634243780: Amazon.com: Books

 The cover used to look like this:

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Vince, he has a legitimate medical vocal problem though I don't remember the details. I'm glad to hear him speak, especially the last part.   About the necessity of a re investigation of his fathers death.  In relation to his uncles, as well.

Wow--he does: What happened to Robert Kennedy Jr's voice and when did it change? (thefocus.news)

5 minutes ago, Jamey Flanagan said:

Yeah, I definitely enjoyed the 4 hour version much more than the 2 hour. And not just cause it was longer either. Just had better pacing or something. Hard to put my finger on. It was just a more enjoyable viewing experience to me all around. Maybe it's because it's somewhat compartmentalized by being broken down into 4 episodes.

I agree! While I enjoyed the two hour version at the time (I saw it twice), I watched all four episodes back to back today and I loved it. Episode 3 was my favorite. I love the medical evidence and all the nuts and bolts of the case. While I respect the foreign policy stuff, it leaves me a little restless and cold- I want to get back to the evidence! On another note...

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ROBERT KENNEDY JR.'S VOICE? He sounds like the late Rose Kennedy. I do NOT mean to sound disrespectful; just wondering. It sounds almost like a paralyzed vocal chord or (as my wife said) like he is always very emotional when he speaks. I hate to say this, but it distracts from his message.

17 hours ago, Michael Crane said:

You probably have more than that Vince.I am part of a podcast & I check our Youtube views.I post our content on two different forums.I have clicked on our Youtube video & then go back to see if it registers on Youtube & it doesn't.

Interesting.

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Yes, all the above.

Congrats Vince P. !

And with your years of forum sharing and thousands of postings, I must also commend you in being incredibly respectful to everyone responding to them.

Never once have I seen you confrontational or personally insulting back when someone disagrees with your takes and maybe even says so in their own dismissive or insulting tone.

Yes, you went after SS agent Hill and Blaine pretty good after they trashed you on national TV. But, man they deserved it considering they seriously impugned your name, integrity and books to an audience of millions.

Showing the WARRIOR in you "will fight" the personal slander roaring lion when you need or have to.

Vince, thank you.

PS.

I still believe Clint Hill had fallen in love with Jackie Kennedy in his years of extremely close proximity protection of her.

Sharing cigarettes and her personal feeling sharings while just inches close enough to smell her perfume... A woman of classic beauty and soft breathy even sexy speaking manner? Come on!

My gut feeling "guess" is Hill went into a deep post JFK long term depression "in part" because of unrequited love when epic tragic fate and other circumstances ended his Jackie Kennedy security duty and personal closeness to her.

 

 

 

Thanks a ton, Joe. You are spot on about Hill; I agree.

6 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

Michael, Jamey, Denny & Gary have said it all.

Vince, I did write a short review of some of the most important books on the JFK case that were published in 2021 for the 'Dealey Plaza Echo', a recent e-mail from that journals editor indicates that the piece, which includes 'Honest Answers', is on its way to press.

Great--thanks! Please let me know when it comes out.