Dean Hagerman
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I see Joseph Milteer....
Good study Jack, I like the "fake" Nix panorama
Just saved it to my computer
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Jack, just a request.
Could you consider adding ''in me'', or something to that effect, after NO DOUBT, please?
No. There is NO DOUBT that Mary and Jean were NOT on the grass as seen in Zapruder.
There is NO DOUBT, PERIOD. All other possibilities have been considered. There is
NO DOUBT. NO DOUBT at all.
Jack,
Read the paragraph under the photo:
Come on Kathy
Bill Sloan wrote that little tid-bit under the photo not Jean Hill
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Posner sucks
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If you dont like it dont read it
Ruining the forum is a bit of a stretch
If we cant debate the facts of what we believe in then what do you suggest we do?
Ignore all posts that attack your thoughts and theories?
I cant do that, but at the same time I can assure you I am not looking to debate, its a fact of life on all forums Justin, not just this forum
Dean
The "If you don't like it don't read it" tactic has become nearly impossible lately as it has spread far and wide to many threads or you guys just start other threads arguing essentially the same things or find roundabout ways to insult each other. It used to not be "a fact of life" at this Forum. A person has to search far and wide to find threads that are not infected with your guys horse xxxx. Although I replied to Dean's post this reply is not directed to him or any one person but (as I stated originally) to those that continue to engage in endless debate where YOU KNOW YOU HAVE ZERO CHANCE of convincing the other camp. I stand by my original comment. You guys are ruining the Forum.
I dont see very many members saying that we are ruining the forum
I think debating what I believe in is a must do
Again im not going to sit back and let the LNers and Anti-alterationists push me or my fellow researchers/students around
Dean
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On page 318 and 319 of Richard Trask "Pictures of the Pain"
"In later years Altgens became unsure about the number of photos he took that day of the assassination, and has been reluctant to ackowledge authorship of all seven since he is very adamant about not wanting to take credit for someone elses work. In discussions with him, it is evident that he is sure or reasonably sure that he took FIVE of the photos"
Altgens did not take Altgens 8 IMO
Dean
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Im an Oakland Raiders fan. I have a joyous hatred for the Chiefs.
I knew it!
I am a Chiefs fan
I hate the Raiders more then anything else in the world!
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Every one of Jack White's studies is false. Every single one.
That was the most rediculous thing I have ever read in my entire life
So Dean, as a student of the images, what Moorman did White use in his MDIP illustration? Was it the Zippo?
Well Craig im not sure, Jack says he did not use the Zippo image so I would have to agree with him, why would he lie about that?
I have looked at many copies of Moorman (Thank you again for letting me download the Drum Scan from you) but I never felt the need to try and see what copy Jack used in his study in MIDP
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If you dont like it dont read it
Ruining the forum is a bit of a stretch
If we cant debate the facts of what we believe in then what do you suggest we do?
Ignore all posts that attack your thoughts and theories?
I cant do that, but at the same time I can assure you I am not looking to debate, its a fact of life on all forums Justin, not just this forum
Dean
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I do not agree that Peter is unsuited as a Mod
In fact I feel real good about having a mod that has some of the same thoughts as I do
I have been a Mod on another forum (Not a JFK forum, a beer bottle/can collecting/drinking reviewing forum) for a long time so I watch the Mods on this forum at all times to compare their actions against my own and I must say that Peter does a good job in his position
And if Peter was not a mod who would replace him from "our" side?
I think it would be very unfair to not have a Mod that shares at least some of the theories of the group of researchers that I am in line with
Dean
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I agree with Paul 100%
I have the utmost respect for Peter and his never ending search for the truth
I will always stand behind Peter
Dean
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Every one of Jack White's studies is false. Every single one.
That was the most rediculous thing I have ever read in my entire life
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This is the same frame as the one you posted Jack. ( No Artifact )
Also, as i understand it NIX was approx 6ft 4" tall according to Gary Mack.
Robin
Gary is wrong
Nix was 6ft 6" or 6ft 7" , he was very tall, just like TOCM
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Do you even know the medical definition of a pulse?
I dont care
What do you not understand?
Your not proving anything to me because I could care less what the medical definition of a pulse is
Jack is correct in that the second the bullet hit JFKs head he was gone forever, im saying that the Doctors saw some signs of life, why else would they do CPR and other life saving procedures instead of just pronouncing him DOA?
Dont reply Barb, your wasting your time because I dont care
Dean "No Pulse" Hagerman
Oh, it's obvious you don't care. It is also obvious *why*. I understand completely. But, some others might care.
Of course they saw some signs of life (a few agonal breaths, sporadic heartbeats by stethoscope) and immediately started measures to see if they could get some Cardio and Pulmonary Resuscitation happening ... that is what CPR is for . Then Jenkins drew their attention to the wound in the rear of the head, Clark took a look ... and they pronounced him. Since you claimed he had a pulse, then go figure why you sign off as "No Pulse" Hagerman. <g> Chill. A simple error is no big deal, go figure why you made it one. The point was to not start a factoid that he had a pulse at Parkland. He didn't ... as the doctors reported. Accuracy is what matters.
Barb :-)
Ok I was wrong
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Can I call a Friend Duncan?
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"Hi Mr Z, can I please have this dance with you?"
Marilyn Sitzman 11/22/63 12:30pm
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Who is the host of the show Duncan?
Gerald Posner or Vince Bugliosi?
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Jack:
I agree with your puzzlement, but I think you've only shown that Bob Groden cut frames out of his copy of Bell.
The "Groden Bell" and "Costella Same" frames are very badly blurred - see the three motorcycles ahead of Curry, for example. If one didn't already know what they were, they could be anything one wanted them to be. By the same token, what you have circled in the Groden enhancement as "Chaney" could equally be anything the imagination wants it to be.
However, John Costella's "Previous" frame shows the three lead motorcycles to be nothing other than what they are - motorcycles - and to me, the "blur" on Elm is clearly seen to be the limo - not Chaney.
I don't know what Bob Groden did to the films - be it appears he left one or more frames out of Bell, for whatever reason (possibly because they were so badly blurred?). Has John Costella got any more sequential frames immediately before this, and we might find out how many frames Groden omitted?
Chris
I have heard a story about Groden doing this to the Weigman film
But I cant see him taking frames away from a film, he knows that would be wrong
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That picture is just crazy
What else did this group do or control?
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I did not believe in alteration until 1997 when I read "Bloody Treason" by Noel Twyman
I started to look into the Z-film like I never had before, I used my copy of Grodens Assassination Films DVD to check every frame, in fact I have not stopped looking at the Z-film and since 1997 it has been pretty much the only thing I have studied (I still look into other areas, but I learned about everything else prior to 97)
Then "Murder In Dealey Plaza" came out and I bought it right away and read Jack Whites section before anything else
I started looking into all of Jacks claims and agreed with him on most all points
Around this time (I dont remember when) I watched Jacks video on the Hoax of the Century
Again I looked into what Jack had presented and found myself in agrement with him again
When "The Great Zapruder Film Hoax" came out I read it over and over (In fact my copy is falling apart) checking and rechecking, and have been ever since
I did not start out as an alterationist, but I must give credit to first Jack White (Who in fact did state in Crossfire long before I read BT back in 1988 that the Z-film was altered) whos work I took in
Also of course Noel Twyman, Jim Fetzer, David Lifton, David Healy, David Mantik, and Doug Horne
The fact that "some" researchers look down on alterationists does not bother me, in fact I am proud to not only say that I am an alterationist but that the best researchers on the assassination stand tall along with me.
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Well, it is about all over now. I have found an image of Chaney's motorcycle approaching
the Chaney car. It had been overlooked all these years because the frame is very dark,
but when enhanced, the object can be nothing except a fast moving motorycle in the middle
of Elm Street aproaching the Chaney car which is not in the underpass. It shows exactly what
all the witnesses said. I will post it after I do a few finishing touches.
Jack
Awesome Jack
Cant wait to see the image
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Hope we can put the silliness to bed if you're up for it?
Sure
I have no problem with that
Lets move on
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Gary Mack*
*in absentia
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Read Rush to Judgement by Mark Lane
Stop it, you're killing me!
So there's no evidence that supports the single bullet theory?
* JFK and Connally reacting simultaneously to being shot.
* JFK and Connally aligned perfectly to receive the wounds they did from a single bullet.
* The line of the bullet goes straight back to Oswald on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
* No evidence of any other person shooting in Dealey Plaza (most people said they heard three shots. Not eight, or nine, or ten).
There are a few pointers. It's all rather obvious, really.
You must be related to Dale Myers
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jack ; james simmons could possibly have been a witness to the motorcycle...
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JAMES SIMMONS; http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/simmons_j.htm
Well, he fell and there was matter and a halo of blood.
Q: Which way did he fall?
A: To his left.
Q: What did the limousine do then?
A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way.
Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass?
A: Yes, sir, went directly under us. Q: It went under you because you were standing on the overpass?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: At the time you saw this red halo, what did that appear to you to be?
A: To the left side of his head.
Q: Can you tell us what direction this went in, this matter?
A: It went over the side of the car.
Q: Which side of the car?
A: The left side.
Awesome find Bernice!
A Valentine gift for real researchers.
in JFK Assassination Debate
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No problem Jack
I have not looked close enough to have noticed it was the Bell film either!