Ray Mitcham

Duncan Ever get the feeling that what you are doing has become so ridiculous, no one even takes the time to criticize it anymore? was thinking the same thing... reeks like a Craig Lampoon, er, Lamson project! Sentences, and the names of people and places always begin with a capital letter. If you are being picky, you should have a comma after "places."

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I don't know why you are disagreeing with me, Ray. Because I believe exactly what you just said, and I've said so more than once. What I said is that his left elbow is stationary and is acting as a pivot. His left forearm rotates clockwise (clockwise from our perspective) a little, and because of that his left hand rises and moves to his left. Apologies, Sandy. I misunderstood what you were writing.

Good question. Either nobody knows or nobody is talking. P.S. Your white mug idea is not bad. Assume that Lovelady had the white object in hand and he raised it up. Where/how high does the white object get raised to in relation to Lovelady's face? i.e. eyes, forehead, nose As you can still see his forehead in the raised photo, Chris, I assume it is somewhere near his mouth. If it was a camera i.e an SLR, or something similar I would assume it would hide the power part of his forehead. But as other have already said, until we get a rally sharp copy, it is all speculation. However the results you have achieved, are remarkable, Chris. Well done.

Hate to disagree, Sandy, but if you magnify the gif, you will see that his left elbow stays in the same position in both views. His right arm lifts whatever it is but the left arm doesn't. IMO

Seconde, Vanessa

If it was a camera and it was Oswald, what happened to the camera subsequently?

IMO it's white cup of some sort,

Andrej, you say the sun is reflecting on the bottom of a bottle. I disagree. If the sun was shining on whatever it was, it wouldn't be the bottom of a bottle. as the sun was coming from a different direction than our view of the bottom of a bottle, if that's what it was.. I agree with Sandy. What makes you think that whatever is in PP's hand is in sunlight? Whatever it is, it isn't in direct sunlight .IMO.

But we know for a fact that Baker wasn't describing "a different person". He was staring right at Lee Oswald in the lunchroom. Roy Truly confirms that fact. But, since you've decided that Mr. Truly was a rotten [L-word], that paves the way for you to pretend that Baker never stopped Oswald in the lunchroom. Nice system, Ray. It's foolproof. Not as foolproof as your circular arguments, David. Pity they are wrong. Baker's first day affidavit said he saw the man on the third or fourth floor. So he saw a different person. His second story about seeing Oswald on the second floor was concocted after they decided the fix.

"Which we know is wrong" It is wrong only because their descriptions don't match Oswald. However, if they both saw a different person, who was 165 lbs/175 lbs then they were right. Your arguments about them being "wrong" depend entirely on Oswald being the shooter. However Occam's Razor says that if they both saw a much heavier man then it wasn't Oswald. Unfortunately, it seems your brain is wired so that you are unable to consider that they saw somebody other than Os.

Brennan first day affidavit. "I am presently employed by the Wallace and Beard Construction Company as a Steam fitter and have been so employed for about the past 7 weeks. I am working on a pipe line in the Katy Railroad yards at the West end of Pacific Street near the railroad tracks. We had knocked off for lunch and I had dinner at the cafeteria at Record and Main Street and had come back to see the President of the United States. I was sitting on a ledge or wall near the intersection of Houston Street and Elm Street near the red light pole. I was facing in a northerly direction looking across the street from where I was sitting. I take this building across the street to be about 7 stories anyway in the east endof [sic] the building and the second row of windows from the top I saw a man in this window. I had seen him before the President's car arrived. He was just sitting up there looking down apparently waiting for the same thing I was to see the President. I did not notice anything unusual about this man. He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds. He had on light colored clothing but definately [sic] not a suit. I proceeded to watch the President's car as it turned left at the corner where I was and about 50 yards from the intersection of Elm and Houston and to a point I would say the President's back was in line with the last windows I have previously described I heard what I thought was a back fire. It run [sic] in my mind that it might be someone throwing firecrackers out the window of the red brick building and I looked up at the building. I then saw this man I have described in the window and he was taking aim with a high powered rifle. I could see all of the barrel of the gun. I do not know if it had a scope on it or not. I was looking at the man in this windows at the time of the last explosion. Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight. He did not seem to be in any hurry. I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man if I ever saw him again. /s/ H. L. Brennan As I said wrong man, as Oswald weighed 131 lbs not 165/175 lbs as described. Strange that the same wrong description was given by both Baker and Brennan. Truly was the man who hired Oswald after a telephone conversation with Ruth Paine. He was the one who said that Oswald was missing when he had no reason to suspect he was. When asked why he had identified Oswald as being missing, he was unable to give a satisfactory answer. Who would believe Truly? Only in DVP's make believe world, would he try to say that despite both Baker and Brennan getting the description wrong, they must have seen Oswald, because Oswald was the man who did the shooting. I believe it is called a circular argument.

Compared to Baker's affidavit on 11.22. 63 "Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket." ​Note "As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw man walking away from me"--Not "I saw a man in the vestibule through a window." his later statement. Note "...165 lbs, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket." Oswald wasn't anywhere near 165 lbs (how could a trained cop get a description so wrong if it was Oswald?) ​Therefore whoever Baker saw on the third or fourth floor, it certainly wasn't Oswald. The day after, the fix was in.

Ray, These are the figures I came up with in 1981 using a satellite tracking program that I wrote: 31.59 degrees altitude Shadow Length = 6'/tan(31.59) = 9.75' Out of curiosity, how did you calculate the solar elevation? Tom Hi Tom, I put the time, and place, in the following site. i.e. 12.31 pm. 11.22.63 http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/azel.html

I assume that must have been based on a Wilson photo analysis. If he used the photo posted here, I don't see how he found any wire as described. Apparently the system he invented (but which died with him apparently) enabled him to see detail which is not normal seen on an original photo. If you haven't read Phillips' book, Ron, I recommend it.

Thanks Tom, The 6ft shadow length I used was from Sandy's estimation. Shorten Baker's steps to 3ft and you have a difference of 3.75ft (26.25 - 22.5) added to Baker's shadow now equals 9.75ft. Or, move Truly's LOS position closer to the annex corner 3.75ft. Truly's position in relationship to the TSBD stairway is key. imo chris Chris, a 72" cop would cast a shadow of 95.4" according the sun elevation, at the time, of 37.05.

Thanks. I remember that now. The old shadow-of-the-eyeglasses bit. A third possibility (besides 20-20 vision Lansdale and bespectacled Taylor) is that the man is a demon or Satan himself. See the two horns on the back of his head. Ron, This is what Tom Wilson said about the guy, in "A Deeper Darker Truth" by Donald T Phillips. "While [the tramps], being escorted to the police station, a civilian in a business suit was observed to have a wire from an electronic device connected to his eyeglasses and extending down, along the bottom of his hairline and into his shirt collar just below the right ear. This individual could have been part of the assassination team"

Kath, first link doesn't work- shows "This channel does not exist". I generally agree with DSL, but not with his belief about a non-body switch. Not so much that the body was switched but that the photos of the autopsy were of another body. Thought his "Best Evidence" was a superb demolition of the Bethesda cover up.

You have been shown to be "economical with the truth", Von Pein. In future, any dubious, misleading comment by anybody will be known as a "Von Peiny". Congratulations, you have entered the Lexicon of the Assassination story.

I agree totally with you, Michael.

I'd love to see somebody replicate Lovelady's pose. I'd also love to see an explanation for the black line across Lovelady's left cheek that extends on over to Black Tie Man. BTW, somebody has painted black that triangular area that is Black Tie Man's right shoulder, just to our right of Lovelady's neck. It's obvious if you load the photo into a photo editor and zoom way in. I've never noticed that before, so I believe it is a recent edit. Don't know why it was done. It was my edit to show the lean of Lovely. If he isn't leaning, perhaps you could explain why the right side of his t shirt is vertical and the left side isn't

Still believe you are wrong, Sandy. This is a better version of Lovelady. Notice how Lovelady is leaning at an angle around the corner of the buttress. to follow the limo.

Sandy I believe you are wrong about Lovelady's shoulder. I'm sure you meant his left shoulder rather than his right. He is leaning forward at an angle similar to the guy in this photo.

This version of Ray's video works a lot better for me. But are the frames supposed to be large at first and than pop down to a smaller size for the bulk of the video? If not, then I guess I have a codec problem on my PC. Nothing wrong with your codec, Sandy. It was my poor attempt at trying to steady the clip[.

Brilliant gif, Chris. Shows clearly that Baker was not headed towards the TSBD entrance but off to the right.