Ray Mitcham

I would expect a cop to be able to tell the difference between a Chevvy and a Nash. It's part of their job to know these things. IMO>

Warren Testimony Mr. CRAIG - I saw a light-colored station wagon, driving real slow, coming west on Elm Street from Houston. Uh-- actually, it was nearly in line with him. And the driver was leaning to his right looking up the hill at the man running down. Clay Shaw trial testimony Q Can you describe the station wagon in any great detail? Craig "It was a light green Rambler station wagon with the luggage rack on the back portion, and it had out of state plates on it, and the reason I know this is they were not the same colour as ours and I couldn't read them because of the angle of the car and the traffic movement." So it seems he didn't see Mrs Paine's light blue Chevy. Q: Can you describe the station wagon in any great detail? A: It was a light green Rambler station wagon with the luggage rack on the back portion and it had out-of-state plates on it and the reason I know this is they were not the same color as ours and I couldn't read them because of the angle of the car and the traffic movement.

Statement of Richard Randolph Carr, a steelworker, who said he saw a Rambler in Dealey Plaza. Carr was on an upper floor of a building that was under construction on November 22. From his position he could see into the sixth floor of the TSBD, where just before the motorcade arrived he saw a stocky man wearing a hat, sportcoat, and glasses. When the shooting stopped Carr descended to ground level, where he again saw the man in the sportcoat. Carr said he followed him for about a block and saw him get into a Nash Rambler driven by a dark-complected man. Soon after the shooting, Marvin C. Robinson was driving west along Elm Street in heavy traffic. According to an FBI report dated the next day, just as Robinson crossed the Elm and Houston intersection, he saw a "light-colored Nash station wagon" stop in front of the Book Depository. A white man walked down the grassy incline from the building, got into the Nash, and the car moved off in the direction of Oak Cliff. Robinson was unable to provide any additional information.[14]

Maybe he was a double agent, Bart.

Seems they sent a verbal doppleganger to have a 'scope fitted to a rifle. "IRVING SPORTS SHOP. The day after the assassination (Saturday afternoon-11/23/63) gunsmith Dial Ryder found an undated repair ticket on his workbench at the Irving Sports Shop. The repair ticket had notations "drill and tap $4.50; bore sight $1.50; total $6.00" (work required to mount a scope). The name "Oswald" appeared on the ticket, but the ticket was undated and had neither a complete name nor an address nor a phone number. Ryder told the WC that he did not mention the repair ticket to anyone that weekend. At 10:30 AM on Monday, November 25, FBI agent Emory Horton contacted and interviewed Ryder at his home in Irving, TX. It has never been determined how the FBI knew to send agent Horton to visit Ryder. Horton showed Ryder photographs of C2766 and photographs of Oswald. Horton asked Ryder if he knew Oswald or remembered working on this rifle. Ryder told agent Horton that he did not remember Oswald and he definitely had never worked on an Italian rifle. Ryder told the agent that he had a repair ticket with the name "Oswald" and notations for drilling, tapping, and boresighting. To the best of his memory, Ryder said this work had been performed between November 1 and November 15 at the Irving Sports Shop, but not on an Italian rifle." ​Yes. How did the FBI know to visit the gunshop?.

Composite photo of JFK and Tippit. By R.D.Morningstar.

Interesting video Jon, Did Tippet have a mole on his left shoulder. It would appear that JFK didn't.

When was the anteroom into the lunch room first called a "vestibule" and by whom? Vestibule is derived from the latin vestibulum --"vesti" meaning clothes and "bulum" meaning place. It was the place where clothes were put on when exiting the house. Looks like the powers that be, looked for a vestibule after Oz saying was that's where he was and came up with the small anteroom on the second floor.

I agree with you, Bob. That's why I think the bullet hole through the throat was an entry point and above the collar as described by the nurses. The "hole in the shirt story" was thought up later. IMO.

Two facts, rather than opinions. From Tom's memo noted above. "Although the hole appears to be caused by a bullet fragment,spectrographic examination of the fabric surrounding the hole revealed no evidence of bullet metal" The slits, in the front of the shirt, apparently due to an exiting bullet, do not line up. The slit on the outer side of the shirt s longer than the slit on the inner side of the shirt. How could this have happened? For what its worth, I think that these "slits" were made long after the shirt left Parkland. .

Double post

Tom, apologies for not answering your question on Bowron's interview. I have been trying to remember where it was. It is in "Killing the `Truth" by Livingstone. To answer your question about when Hinchcliffe saw the throat wound, according to her testimony, it was before they started removing the President's clothes. You appear to doubt that there was a bullet wound in JFK's throat, despite the evidence from the people who were there. Regarding "Cinqueland", the needle idea is so ridiculous as to be travelling in "Cinqueland".

Tom, I agree that Carrico's testimony could be ambiguous. Do you agree that Nurse Hinchcliffe's testimony isn't in any way? Mr. SPECTER - Did you see him actually wheeled into the emergency room? Miss HENCHLIFFE - Yes; in fact, I helped wheel him on into trauma room 1. Mr. SPECTER - And, where was he when you first saw him? Miss HENCHLIFFE - He was between trauma rooms 1 and 2. Mr. SPECTER - Did you see him when he was brought into the hospital itself? Miss HENCHLIFFE - At the emergency entrance---no. It was after he came into the emergency room. Mr. SPECTER - He came into the emergency area? Miss HENCHLIFFE - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - And then you saw him and helped wheel him, you say, into the emergency room No. 1? Miss HENCHLIFFE - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - And who else was present at the time you first saw him when he had just come into the emergency area? Miss HENCHLIFFE - Let me see, I think Dr. Carrico was there-he was there very shortly after--afterwards. Mr. SPECTER - He was there when you arrived? Or arrived shortly after you did? Miss HENCHLIFFE - Well, actually I went in ahead of the cart with him and I was the first one in with him, and just in a minute, or seconds, Dr. Carrico came in. Mr. SPECTER - And what other doctors arrived, if any? Miss HENCHLIFFE - Oh, gee. Let's see---there was Dr. Baxter, Dr. Perry, and you want all of them that were in the room? Mr. SPECTER - If you can remember them. Miss HENCHLIFFE - Dr. Kemp Clark, Dr. Jenkins, Dr. Peters, Dr. Crenshaw, and there was some woman anesthetist that I don't know which--who it was. Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe to be the President's condition when you first saw him? Miss HENCHLIFFE - I saw him breathe a couple of times and that was all. Mr. SPECTER - Did you see any wound anywhere on his body? Miss HENCHLIFFE - Yes; he was very bloody, his head was very bloody when I saw him at the time. Mr. SPECTER - Did you ever see any wound in any other part of his body? Miss HENCHLIFFE - When I first saw him---except his head. Mr. SPECTER - Did you see any wound on any other part of his body? Miss HENCHLIFFE - Yes; in the neck. Mr. SPECTER - Will you describe it, please? Miss HENCHLIFFE - It was just a little hole in the middle of his neck. Mr. SPECTER - About how big a hole was it? Miss HENCHLIFFE - About as big around as the end of my little finger. (My bolding)

Agree with you, Kathy. The Liggett affair needs more investigation. Definitely fishy IMO.

Well said, Roy. These guys are moving in to Cinqueland.

Mr. SPECTER - Did you ever see his neck prior to the time you removed the trach tube?Miss BOWRON - No, sir. As I stated in my post #197: Diana Bowron never saw the untouched neck wound. Tom See Bob's post just above this.

This from Nurse Hincliffe's testimony to the W.C. Mr Specter "What did you observe to be the President's condition when you first saw him?" Miss Hinchcliffe "I saw him breathe a couple of times and that was all." Mr Specter "Did you ever see any wound in any other part of his body?" Miss Hinchcliffe "Yes; he was very bloody, his head was very bloody when I saw him at the time." Mr Specter "Did you ever see any other wound in any other part of his body?" Miss Hinchcliffe "When I first saw- except on his head." Mr Specter "Did you see any wound on any other part of his body?" Miss Hinchcliffe "Yes; in the neck." Mr Specter "Would you describe it please?" Miss Hinchcliffe "It was just a little hole in the middle of his neck." Mr Specter "About how big a hole was it." Miss Hinchcliffe "About as big around as the end of my little finger." Mr Specter "Have you ever had any experience with bullet holes?" Miss Hinchcliffe "Yes" Mr Specter "And what did it appear to you to be ?" Miss Hinchcliffe "An entrance bullet hole – it looked to me like." So we have Nurse Bowron, Nurse Hinchcliffe and Dr Carrico who all saw the bullet hole before Perry started treating the President.

Jon, according to Nurse Bowron, the first Doctor too see JFK was Dr Carrico. She and Nurse Hinchcliffe cut off the Presidents clothing, This from her WC testimony. Mr. SPECTER - And were there any other nurses present at that time when the President arrived in the trauma area? Miss BOWRON - I don't think so, sir. Mr. SPECTER - Were there any doctors present besides Dr. Carrico? Miss BOWRON - I didn't notice anybody---there may have been. Mr. SPECTER - What action did you observe Dr. Carrico take, if any? Miss BOWRON - We tried to start an I.V. cutdown and I don't know whether it was his left or his right leg, and Miss Henchliffe and I cut off his clothing and then after that everybody just arrived at once and it was more or less everybody sort of helping everybody else. We opened the chest tube trays and the venesectron trays. This by Dr Carrico Mr. SPECTER - Who was the first doctor to reach President Kennedy on his arrival at Parkland Hospital? Dr. CARRICO - I was. Mr. SPECTER - And who else was with President Kennedy on his arrival, as best you can recollect it? Dr. CARRICO - Mrs. Kennedy was there, .and there were some men in the room, who I assumed were Secret Service men; I don't know. Mr. SPECTER - Can you identify any nurses who were present, in addition to Miss Bowron? Dr. CARRICO - No, I don't recall any of them.

Link not working, Scott.

Nurse Bowron in 1993. ”... I grabbed a gurney in the hall and together with an orderly ran to the entrance.I saw that the person in the back of the car was injured so I climbed in to render what assistance I could until such a time as we could move him to a trolley, then to the trauma room (others were assisting the Governor in the front seat). I saw that there was a massive amount of blood on the back seat and in order to find the cause, I lifted his head and my fingers went into a lrage wound at the back of his head; I turned his head a seeing the size of the wound realized that I could not stop the bleeding. I turned his head back and saw an entry wound in the front of the throat. " Seems the throat wound was there before the victim was moved into Parkland. The throat wound was above the tie, not behind it. The shirt shows cuts behind the tie, not a bullet hole. Mr. Dulles. I see. Dr. Carrico. The entrance. All we knew this was a small wound here. Mr. Dulles. ‘I see. And you put your hand right above where your tie is? Dr. Carrico. Yes, sir ; just where the tie--- Mr. Dulles. A little bit to the left. Dr. Carrico. To the right. Mr. Dulles. Yes; to the right. Note the way Dulles interrupted Dr Carrico when he was describing exactly where the throat wound was.

As both assassinations (plusMartin Luther King Jnr) were committed by the same people (Imo), then any comments about the three should be allowed as the M.O of the perps begins to coalesce.

Just to avoid confusion, something should be pointed out here. In the above video, Nina Rhodes-Hughes states that, while she told the FBI she had heard 14 shots, her FBI statement states she only heard 8 shots. While this might make some readers think the FBI was admitting to two shooters, I would like to point out Sirhan Sirhan was not shooting a typical six shot revolver. The revolver he was shooting was a .22 LR calibre revolver that held eight rounds. She says in the video that her statement was "tweeked" by the FBI. Par for the course, of course.

Statement of Nina Rhodes-Hughews. Witness to shooting of RFK. "Sirhan Sirham was to my left and Senator Kennedy was to my right, and I was in the middle, and as I ran towards him, I started to hear shots, and I turned right [?] to Sirhan Sirhan who was standing on a metal steam cable and Reefer[sp?] Johnson and Rosie Grew [sp?] ran to subdue him but there will still shots coming from my right and back of the Senator, I was about six to seven back of him, and it sounded like between ten and fourteen,well, twelve and fourteen shots” Above starts at 1.22

I believe Harry Holmes when he said he threw the section away. He had to it would have spoiled his story. But I don't believe that he had "Alex Hidell on the form.

Where's DVP?