Chuck Schwartz

Trump has a history of using the government to line his own pockets. He does not care about the American People. He probably does not pay federal income taxes. That is why he does not want his tax returns released (and he would have to disclose foreign bank accounts and/or loans ) . I was reading how Trump's Secretary of the Treasury (Mnunchin) used the 2008 crisis to acquire wealth.. Mnuchin and his investment partners took over IndyMac after it failed in 2008, with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) covering the bank’s losses on foreclosed single-family, owner-occupied loans. An estimated 35,000 foreclosures took place, with losses estimated at $4.6 billion. The FDIC paid the bank $1.2 billion, leaving the bank to absorb $3.4 billion in losses. Politico reported that Mnuchin still came out ahead after OneWest merged with CIT Bank worth $3.4 billion last year. In that case, Mnuchin took home a $10.9 million payout and left CIT’s board in early December after Trump’s nomination. Allegations that OneWest preyed on the disadvantaged aren’t new. Advocacy groups previously alleged that OneWest failed to serve and discriminated against minority homeowners. Their complaint said that OneWest’s discriminatory practices began in 2011 at a time when Mnuchin’s investment group owned the bank. They alleged that OneWest made few loans to both African-American and Asian-American borrowers, had only a handful of branches in minority neighborhoods, and allowed properties repossessed in nonwhite neighborhoods to fall into disrepair, the Los Angeles Times reported in November.

The extended recordings and transcripts (of jFK during the Cuban Missile crisis) provide more context about how military leaders were pressing the president to take military action against Cuba. After Gen. Curtis LeMay, the Air Force chief of staff, tried to force Kennedy's hand by equating the president's chosen course of a naval "quarantine" with the appeasement of Hitler before World War II, Kennedy walked Lemay thru his thinking, but to no avail. The last thing JFK probably saw before he was killed was the black umbrella fully extended. Recently, a person confessed to being that person with the black umbrella. He said it was not to give the sign that JFK's limo was coming, but to remind JFK that what he did with Cuba was appeasement and JFK knew who accused him of appeasement- it was Lemay.

Larry, can you describe Admiral Burke's role in the Bay of Pigs invasion and his reaction to it?

Bart, could you summarize what is in these Harvey files?

Another example is Charles Cabell , who was an Army/Air Force General and worked 9 yrs. for Allan Dulles in the CIA. Both Dulles and Cabell were fired by JFK for the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

John, do you think Carl Jenkins' plan to kill JfK was sanctioned by his CIA managers? How far up the food chain did approval need to go? Who do you think approved the operation? Or, wass this a rogue operation?

Jim, yes, I meant Paul O'Connor, who was asked by HUmes to find out who was smoking the cigar and tell him to put it out. Paul found the cigar smoker- it was Lemay and Paul told him to put it out. Lemay did not respond but he blew smoke in Paul's face. Larry, yes , I meant Arleigh Burke, who I think is underrated as to having a strong role in the Big Event. He and Lemay both thought JFK was appeasing the communists and both could not live with such appeasement. I believe they felt by killing JFK the US would take a stronger position against communism (such as escalating the Vietnam war). John Newman has done a very good job on showing how the murder of JFK led to the escalation of the war in Vietnam. It was Lemay who said we should bomb North Vietnam back to the stone age. He was crazy then and he was crazy when he supported the murder of JFK. Lemay did do a good job in defeating the enemies of the US during WW2, but I don't think he ever left that war - he was still fighting it until he died (the domino theory said communism had to be stopped in Vietnam- appeasing the communists was the same as appeasing the nazis) . My father fought in WW2 in the Pacific theater and he occupied Japan in 1946. He never talked to me about it. It was too horrible. He told my Mom about some of the horrible details and she told me. When the subject of WW2 came up , my father would say the Civil War general that said War is Hell- he got it right. Both my parents were / are Jewish. But, they sent me to a Quaker elementary school and a Quaker high school- partly because of the Quakers stand on war in general.

This is the Paul O'Oconnor I was referring to:On page 35 of William Law’s 2005 book In the Eye of History, from his interview of Paul K. O’Connor (a Navy corpsman who assisted the Navy pathologists with the autopsy on JFK), he quotes O’Connor as follows: Right after we heard the helicopters come over, I distinctly heard one land in the back of the hospital, which was the Officer’s Club parking lot. There was a big parking lot. I heard one helicopter land there. I heard another helicopter land at the north side of the hospital where there was a normal helicopter-landing pad. Several minutes later, I can’t give you a definite time — maybe five minutes — the back of the morgue opened up and a crew of hospital corpsmen and a higher ranking corpsman brought in a plain, pinkish-gray, what I call a shipping casket. It was not ornate. It was not damaged…. They brought it up front where we were. At that time we opened up the coffin. Inside was the body bag. Paul O'Connor later went on to describe the man with a cigar barking orders. Also, on Burkley, I believe he was commanding the aircraft carrier carrying the bombers that were going to give air support to the Bay of PIgs invasion. JFK told Burkley to turn around and not give air support. Burkley was very upset. There is talk that he was connected to Gerald Ford, who was Navy. Both Ford and Burkley were both from Michigan.

Larry, can you take an educated guess as to who was telling JFK's personal physician what to say (re: Bethesda "autopsy")?

Larry, do you think Lemay was at the Bethesda JFK fake autopsy? (Connor, the ambulance driver , said he saw a man with a cigar in his mouth barking orders). The person giving orders in Bethesda that night had to know that the 3 shots from the back to JFK was the agreed upon narrative and that the autopsy had to agree with that predetermined story. Bethesda could be the Rosetta Stone for the Big Event.

Shane, this is the first time I have seen this thread. But, I will see your movie, if possible. What are your thoughts about jack Ruby going to the radio station that Mclendon owned around the time of the assassination? And, McLendon was friends with David Atlee Philips. Do you think DAP could have communicated with Ruby via the radio station?

I think Alan Dulles was the mastermind of the Big Event. And, that was why LBJ put him on the WC. LBJ knew that Alan Dulles knew what to keep secret and how to keep it secret. Dulles was the only one on the WC that worked full time on the WC. Most had full time jobs and worked on the WC part time. Dulles, in essence , controlled the WC. Charles Cabell , who worked for Dulles in the CIA, was a general in the Army Air Force and could have had a rapport with other Generals such as Lemay or Lenmitzer. On a personal note, I was diagnosed with Stage 4 Bladder Cancer in the Fall of 2017 and had 6 cycles of chemo ( which killed the cancer) and then had major surgery. So far, my cancer has not returned. I echo Jim's point on health insurance. If I had to pay for my chemo and/or surgery out of my own pocket, I would be broke. For instance, I know (through my health insurance "Explanation of Benefits" ) my chemo cost $20,000 per cycle and my surgery cost $44,000. And, there were/are much more costs that my insurance also covers.

The Police were taking guidance from the Mayor of Dallas, Earle Cabell, who , we now know, was a CIA asset. Earle's brother, Charles Cabell, worked directly for Allen Dulles in the CIA for 9 yrs. Both Allen Dulles and Charles Cabell were both fired by JFK (for the Bay of Pigs fiasco). Allen Dulles , I believe, was the architect of the Big Event. He told the Cabell's what to do and DAP (CIA officer who worked in Cuba) was there in Dallas to help things going along the lines Allen Dulles wanted them to go. The basic rule of homicide interrogations was never in the playbook for the day of the Big Event (JFK assassination). Dulles was the ringleader of the WC. I attended a lecture on the JFK Assassination (The Big Event) by Mark Lane in 1975 in Albany, NY. Mark said something I never forgot. The purpose of the WC (Warren Commission) was not to discover who killed JFK and why, but rather to prove LHO was lone nut killer. This was the narrative and any evidence to the contrary was either ignored or destroyed .

" Life is full of should of's, could of's and would of's"--Joe Klecko (retired pro bowl defensive lineman)

Crichton was a key player in the Big Event. Jack Crichton also had a close association with George H. W. Bush. According to Fabian Escalante (The Secret War: CIA Covert Operations Against Cuba, 1959-62), in 1959, Crichton and Bush raised funds for the CIA's Operation 40. Originally it was set up to organize sabotage operations against Fidel Castro and his Cuban government. However, it evolved into a team of assassins. One member, Frank Sturgis, claimed: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents... We were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time." The failure to assassinate or overthrow Fidel Castro caused tremendous problems for the Cuban-Venezuelan Oil Voting Trust Company and other foreign oil companies that had already invested more than $30 million looking for oil in Cuba. In December 1960, CVOVT was de-listed from the American Stock Exchange. Critchton was appointed head of the intelligence component of the Dallas Civil Defence. The conservative radio commentator Paul Harvey wrote in his syndicated column in September 1960: "The Communists, since 1917, have sold Communism to more people than have been told about Christ after 2,000 years." He urged his readers to support the "counter-attack that had been mounted in Dallas." In 1961 Crichton joined forces with other right-wing figures in Dallas to establish a program called "Know Your Enemy". This was to combat communist influence that "was undermining the American way of life". The following year Crichton opened an underground command post under the patio of the Dallas Health and Science Museum that was intended for "continuity-of-government" operations during a communist attack. In 1963 Crichton was nominated by the Republican Party for the post of Governor of Texas. He joined forces with George H. W. Bush, who was the nominee for the U.S. Senate. As Crichton later recalled, he and Bush "spoke from the same podiums" that year. However, Crichton was defeated by John Connally and he later wrote a book about his failed attempt to become governor, The Republican-Democrat Political Campaigns: In Texas in 1964. In November 1963 Crichton was involved in the arrangements of the visit that President John F. Kennedy made to Dallas. His close friend, Deputy Police Chief George L. Lumpkin, and a fellow member of the the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, drove the pilot car of Kennedy's motorcade. Also in the car was Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, commander of all Army Reserve units in East Texas. The pilot car stopped briefly in front of the Texas School Book Depository, where Lumpkin spoke to a policeman controlling traffic at the corner of Houston and Elm.' In the Warren Commission Report it stated that Crichton arranged for a member of the local Russian community, Ilya Mamantov, to work for the Dallas Police Department as a translator for Russian-born Marina Oswaldshortly after the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Crichton's volunteer translated for Oswald during her initial questioning by the Dallas authorities in the hours immediately after her husband Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested. According to Russ Baker, the author of Family of Secrets (2009), there "were far from literal translations of her Russian words and had the effect of implicating her husband in Kennedy's death." Crichton was president of Nafco Oil and Gas. He also owned a company called Dorchester Gas Producing. A fellow director was David Harold Byrd who along with Clint Murchison, Haroldson L. Hunt and Sid Richardson, was part of the Big Oil group in Dallas. Barr McClellan (Blood, Money & Power) argues that "Big Oil would be during the fifties and into the sixties what the OPEC oil cartel was to the United States in the seventies and beyond". One of the main concerns of this group was the preservation of the oil depletion allowance. Jack Crichton who was President of the Dallas Petroleum Engineers Club, also served as a Director to Florida Gas Company, Clark Oil and Refining, Whitehall Corporation, Transco Energy and the Consolidated Development Corporation. Jack Alston Crichton died in Dallas on 10th December, 2007. Also, Crichton went to college with Earle Cabell.

I once read (can't remember where) that Prouty was Mae Brussell's mentor. Prouty could have gone to jail (or worse) if he was linked to some of Mae Brussell' s writings. And , as long as Mae Brussell never mentioned (publicly) that she worked with Prouty, Prouty would continue to work with her. I believe Prouty knew who killed JFK and those responsible for the Big Event wanted him out of the country at the time of the Big Event. Prouty did write about how he was put on a mission outside of the US during the Big Event.

I agree with everything you wrote, David. And, Jim H., I always believed there was a LHO double going around Dallas trying to paint a picture of LHO as a communist or communist sympathizer. Many examples of this written about in books.

David, the CIA did not order the military to kill JFK. It was mutual conclusion. General Charles Cabell worked for Dulles for 9 yrs. in the CIA and his brother , Earle, was Mayor of Dallas at the time of the Big Event. This is an example of how it is difficult to separate the Military and CIA. Lemay accused JFK of appeasement for not invading Cuba during Cuban Missile Crises. That is when Lemay crossed the line from disagreement with JFK to seeing there was another way he was going to have to deal JFK. Appeasement and the Domino theory are closely related. As a side note, I once read (cannot remember where) that Prouty was Mae Brussell's mentor.

I believe the CIA / US Military killed JFK because they wanted their war in Vietnam and JFK would have stopped that war. The CIA / US Military believed in the Domino theory, which said we needed to stop communism in Vietnam, or the rest of Asia would fall to the communists.

After, the Big Event, did he go back to SE Asia?

Evan, to be flown in from SE Asia (Vietnam?), his trip must have been approved at a high level- did he speak about who approved his trip? Was he trained as a sniper ? Chuck S.

Also from John Newman's facebook "Yes, all this on point to where the trail leads from here. Lemnitzer's papers are downtown D.C. at the National Defense University (Taylor's are there too!) so they are within reach. Bamford went there to check them out and what he found convinced me we need to go check it out. The Lemnitzer-Lansdale nexus in Mongoose is full of clues "

Interesting reference to Lemay. I think he knew what the SBT was and how the autopsy should read based on the SBT. He might have been in communication with Air Force One (from Dallas to Washington DC). Here is a relevant article from Bill Kelly's blog (JFKCountercoup).. Author: Larry Haapanen holds a Ph.D from Washington State University, is an ex-Air Force Captain and retired college professor. SOMEWHERE IN GOVERNMENT FILES Somewhere in government files is a tape recording of much greater historical importance than any of the so-called “Watergate tapes” that helped force the resignation of President Nixon. Instead of centering around a bungled burglary, these tapes contain conversations between high government officials immediately after the assassination of President Kennedy, as his successor, Lyndon Johnson, assumed the responsibility and authority of the Presidency. The existence of the “LBJ tapes” remained a closely held secret until April 21, 1964, when author William Manchester learned of them while conducting interviews for his book, Death of a President. Manchester found that President Kennedy had ordered the Signal Corps to record all communications to and from Air Force One whenever the presidential party was aboard, and that then-Vice President Johnson had been unaware of the order. Manchester then requested White House permission to obtain a complete transcript, which he wished to include as an appendix to his book. President Johnson initially refused his request, but eventually, perhaps because the book had the backing of the Kennedy family, Manchester was allowed to read an edited transcript at the White House on May 5, 1965. “Doubtless,” Manchester wrote in his book, “the tapes will be available to future historians.” But since security was not an issue, why was it necessary to edit the transcript before it was shown to Manchester? Perhaps because the principals didn’t know they were being recorded on orders of a man who by then lay in a casket in the back of Air Force One. As the tape reels turned on November 22, 1963, they captured radio traffic between Air Force One (flying from Dallas to Andrews Air Force Base in Washington), the cabinet plane (over the mid-Pacific carrying half the Kennedy cabinet toward a conference in Tokyo) and the White House Situation Room. As fearful and distraught men sought to keep themselves and the republic together at a most delicate moment in history, they spoke without knowing their conversations were being recorded for posterity. Another (or possibly the same) transcript was made available to Pierre Salinger, JFK’s former press secretary, to assist him in writing With Kennedy. In 1967, Philadelphia attorney Vincent Salandria learned from Salinger that his copy, originally provided by the White House Communications Agency, had been sent among some personal papers to the National Archives. 2. When the National Archives could locate neither the tape nor the transcript, Salandria appealed directly to the White House Communications Agency. Colonel James U. Cross, military aide to President Johnson and former Air Force One pilot (and later executive director [of)]the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department) replied for the agency: “Logs and tapes of radio transmissions of military aircraft, including those of Air Force One, are kept for official us only. These tapes are not releasable, nor are they obtainable from commercial sources.” 3 In 1974, Fred Newcomb took up Salandria’s cause. If Manchester and Salinger could gain access to the elusive transcript, he reasoned, how could the government turn down another private citizen? Repeated inquiries of the National Archives and the presidential libraries (and finally, legal threats) produced and edited copy of the transcript from the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library in Austin, Texas. According to library director Harry J. Middleton, “This Xerox copy came to us from the White House in a group of miscellaneous papers.” 4 There was nothing to indicate when it was prepared, by whom, or for what reason, and nothing to identify it as the transcript used by Manchester or Salinger. There are a number of historical questions the original tapes or a complete transcript might clarify. This edited transcript, however, raises more questions than it answers. For instance, among students of the Kennedy assassination there has been cynical curiosity about the selection of the Bethesda, Maryland Naval Hospital over Walter Reed Army Hospital and Parkland Hospital in Dallas. One reason has been that the autopsy performed there is so fraught with unexplained conflicts and secrecy that it qualifies as a major scandal of the Warren Report. Another is the fact that but a few hours earlier in Parkland Hospital there had been a nearly violent confrontation between Dr. Earl Rose, Dallas County Medical Examiner, and certain members of the official party when Dr. Rose had tried to detain the body in Dallas for the autopsy required by Texas Law. 5 As Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry described it, “They more or less snatched that body away from him.” 6 The Manchester account – which supposedly drew on this same transcript – satisfied most of that curiosity. He reported that Rear Admiral George Burkley (personal physician to JFK, and later to LBJ) had proposed Bethesda to Mrs. Kennedy; she had consented; and Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, JFK’s Air Force aide, had alerted Washington to send an ambulance to Andrews. This last conversation was described in detail. 7 But in the Newcomb transcript we find this three-way exchange between Army Surgeon General Leonard Heaton in Washington and Major General Chester V. Clifton (JFK’s military aide) and Dr. Burkley aboard Air Force One: BURKLEY: General Heaton, this is Admiral Burkley. Did you contact MDW in regards to taking care of the remains of President Kennedy taking him directly to Walter Reed? Probably Mrs. Kennedy will also be gion out there. We will clarify that later. HEATON: All right. BURKLEY: Just a minute. General Clifton is here. CLIFTON: This is General Clifton. We do not want a helicopter to go to Bethesda Medical Center. We do want an ambulance and a ground return from Andrews to Walter Reed, and we want the regular post-mortem that has to be done by law under guard performed at Walter Reed. Is that clear? HEATON: That is clear, General Clifton.8 Yet in the very next conversation we find General Clifton talking to Gerry Behn, head of the White House Secret Service Detail. He begins: CLIFTON: This is Clifton. I understand that you have arranged for an ambulance to take President Kennedy to Bethesda. Is this correct? BEHN: It has been arranged to helicopter the body to Bethesda. CLIFTON: Okay, if it isn’t too dark. 9 The exchange indicates a mutual awareness that Clifton’s order to go to Walter Reed has been authoritively countermanded during the flight. Though the order may have come from McHugh as Manchester states, its omission in (the) transcript tends to renew old speculations. There is reason to believe the Newcomb copy differs from others: the transcript shown to Manchester apparently did not include the conversation between Behn and Agent Kellerman that took place while Air Force One was parked in Dallas, prior to President Johnson’s taking the oath of office. Had he seen it, it is unlikely he would have written that taping did not begin until the plane was airborne. 10 Other in-flight conversations recounted by Manchester (whether from his transcript or his interviews is unclear) include calls from LBJ aide Bill Moyers and from Secret Service Agents Clint Hill and Lem Johns to the White House, and calls from Congressmen Albert Thomas and Jack Brooks to their offices. 11 None of these appear on the Newcomb transcript. The Newcomb transcript does, however, include communications with the cabinet plane, implying that the same tape monitored both aircraft. If this is true, then it is obvious from the conversation (the White House is reading from (a 10:40 bulletin on the AP ticker) that still more conversations are missing. 12 We know that LBJ had used the Air Force One communications system from Love Field to talk to his aide Walter Jenkins and to JFK advisor McGeorge Bundy in the White House, and to speak twice to Robert Kennedy in Virginia (the text of these calls is an unresolved dispute). Local calls were also placed to Dallas lawyers J.W. (“Waddy”) Bullion and Irving Goldberg, and to Judge Sarah Hughes, and U.S. Attorney H. Barefoot Sanders. 13 These too are missing. It invokes a twinge of bitter humor to find among the remnant conversations an unsigned footnote which reads: (Note:) The next part of the tape is traffic between SAM COMMAND POST and AF-1 advising them of weather conditions – tornadoes in AF-1’s immediate flight path. I’m not putting in this traffic but I do have it in my draft if you want it. 14. So far, the omissions are of doubtful importance – unlikely to yield anything more than firecracker surprises. But among the missing is at least one conversation of nuclear potential. According to Manchester, General Clifton talked to McGeorge Bundy, “asking again [!} whether an international plot was emerging” in the wake of the assassination. 15 Author Jim Bishop, in The Day Kennedy Was Shot, wrote, “It seemed that he [LBJ] was phoning McGeorge Bundy in the White House Situation Room ever few minutes.” 16 Johnson, who first raised the question of conspiracy during the lifesaving efforts at Parkland Hospital, is also alleged by Manchester to have requested a briefing from CIA Director John McCone. 17 The Newcomb transcript yields only one Clifton-Bundy exchange; and only three lines from President Johnson (to Rose Kennedy and Nellie Connally); and no mention of any conversation of conspiracy, of an international plot, or of the CIA. 18 If it were not for Theodore H. White, the story would end here – Manchester’s reputation stalled against the anonymity of the transcriber/editor. In the Making of the President 1964, White wrote “On the flight [from Dallas] the party learned that there was no conspiracy, learned of the identity of Oswald and his arrest; and the President’s mind turned to the duties of consoling the stricken and guiding the quick.” 19 It was so peripheral to the drama White was presenting that its inclusion in his narrative seems almost accidental. Even now, its significance is not readily apparent. Yet if it is true, it will rank as one of history’s most electrifying revelations. Let’s restore the perspective of the afternoon of November 22, 1963. · When the plane touched down in Washington at 4:59 P.M. (C.S.T.) it had been less than 3 hours since Oswald had arrived at Police Headquarters. · There was no firm - - or even apparent – link between the crime for which he had been arrested (the shooting of Patrolman J. D. Tippit in Oak Cliff) and the assassination of President Kennedy across the river in Dallas. · The rifle had not been traced, there were no handprints, no bullets, no incriminating photos nor line-up identifications at that hour to connect Oswald (or anyone else) with the assassination. · But for those who could imagine such a connection, it would have been difficult to dismiss conspiracy. Oswald’s name was first announced at 3:23 P.M.; his Russian visit and his involvement in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee were announced at 3:26 P.M. 20 · It was 1:35 A.M. the next morning before the Dallas Police felt secure enough of their suspect to charge him with the President’s murder. 21 · As late as 10:15 P.M., Police were still reported to be questioning other employees of the Texas School Book Depository. 22 · On the afternoon of the following day, Police were still looking for a negro suspect who was believed to have driven Oswald from the crime scene. 23 · While the plain was aloft, at least one other man (Donald W. House) was being detained as a suspect assassin. 24 · The American military had been put on global alert. 25 · Pennsylvania troopers had thrown a guard around former President Eisenhower’s Gettysburg farm. · The CIA watch committee had been activated. 27 · The government of West Germany was bracing for a possible invasion.28 Within the time frame of the historical flight, strong suspicions of conspiracy were emerging and none had been laid to rest. But aboard the presidential plane, according to White, people were being told not only that Oswald was the assassin, but that he acted alone! The implications stagger the senses. These same central conclusions which the Warren Commission would labor to bring forth by September of the next year are seen in full dress rehearsal aboard the presidential jet less than four hours after last rites were given the late President – now lying in a bronze coffin in the back of the plane. This is obviously not the sort of allegation to be hung on a broadcast transcript of unknown origin; it challenges our whole vision of American reality. When something like this turns up, it must be a mistake. Perhaps Theodore White’s Pulitzer Prize – winning journalism lapsed as he wrote this account. No one else’s account confirms it. “There is a tape-recording in the archives of the government which best recaptures the sound of the hours as it waited for leadership. It is a recording of all the conversations in the air, monitored by the Signal Corps Midwestern center Liberty, between Air Force One in Dallas, the Cabinet plane over the Pacific, the Joint Chiefs communications center and the White House communications center in Washington. The voices are superbly flat: calm; controlled. One hears the directions of “Front Office” (the President) relayed to “Carpet” (the White House) and to the cabinet above the Pacific….It is a meshing of emotionless voices in the air, performing with mechanical perfection. Only once does any voice break into a sob…..” When asked by Vince Salandria for the source of his news denying conspiracy, White wrote back describing the tape. 30 Perhaps it is better that the tape has vanished. If someone talking to the presidential plane knew the outcome of this investigation before it began, how many on the plane knew it, too? What if we were to assume the worst here: that the primary beneficiary of the assassination, the former vice-president, was somehow involved in a plot to promote himself? After all, it is a matter of public record that the office did fall vacant on his home turf, and that the fatal trip had been made at his behest to mend his political fences. It becomes obvious now to see how such a tape could be loaded with incriminating conversations; how the tape (and later the transcript) could disappear from the archives after Mr. White has revealed it; and why subsequent researchers would have to lobby and threaten to get even a severely edited transcript. There are at least 25 reported conversations missing from the Newcomb edition – who knows how many unknown. But if the transcript were edited to conceal links between the former Vice President and the murder, our conjectures seemed doomed by another exchange retained in the Newcomb transcript. BEHN: Yes, go ahead. KELLERMAN: I’ll have to call you back. Get a couple of men, rather the Volunteer (LBJ) boys to go over to his car and so forth. We’ll also need hers and several others. 32 The presidential limousine was a mobile murder scene. Its internal ravages – bullet holes, blood spray, embedded bullet fragments – would be crucial evidence in determining the source of the gunfire. Here is Roy Kellerman (Secret Service Agent in Charge of the Dallas trip) ordering [!] his superior to have men – LBJ’s men – go over the car “and so forth.” If there was no controversy about the source of the shots, these speculations would be pointless. But so many things do conflict with the official notion of Oswald firing down from the Sixth Floor window; the Zapruder movie shows JFK thrown violently backward (toward Oswald); the shots seem to have come too fast for Oswald’s rifle; gunpowder odors are smelled in the motorcade; the Parkland doctors describe a frontal entrance wound, etc. Since there are few likely sources of shooting in Dealey Plaza which would not have ripped up the innards of the limousine, this car was obviously hot evidence. Yet the LBJ “boys” who went over it that night produced neither bullet holes nor any description of blood spray pattern (the blood was washed out at Parkland by Secret Servicemen, according to hospital employees) 33 Only a skull fragment, a cracked windshield, and five bullet fragments were found. 34 It will surprise no one that two larger fragments, with parts of copper jacketing still about them, were later matched to the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and which was later traced to Oswald. But it may surprise some that all were lying loose on the seats and floor of the car. To put this in perspective, let us digress. Several hours before these discoveries, Secret Service Agent Richard Johnson announced another. He turned over to James J. Rowley, Chief of the Secret Service, a nearly unblemished copper-jacketed bullet given him by a hospital employee at Parkland, where it had been found on a stretcher. This became Warren Commission Exhibit 399, the famous “magic” bullet later credited (with creating) seven wound and two broken bones. 37 Like the limousine fragments, it was matched to Oswald’s rifle. 38 Johnson apparently told no one of his bullet (no one on Air Force One seems to have heard about it) until he returned to the White House, and then both he and Chief Rowley broke the chain of evidence by not inscribing it, as standard police procedure. This is not the place to evaluate the controversy about the “single bullet theory” or CE399. But because LBJ’s “boys” were sent to “go over” the limousine, and because they found fragments of a copper-jacketed bullet, we should note that all ballistic evidence lining Oswald to the assassination passes through a single agency. The doctors at Parkland found only lead particles in Governor Connally, 39 as did the autopsy pathologists at Bethesda in President Kennedy. 40 A bullet impression found on a curb near the shooting was also leaden. 41 In fact, no copper jacketing was found embedded anywhere. It was all found lying loose, and it was all produced by LBJ’s “boys.” Barely three weeks after the shooting, UPI found that the limousine had been quietly shipped to the Ford Motor Company in Dearborn, Michigan to be bullet-proofed and completely refitted. One wonders why LBJ – who so loved the status symbols of office – wanted to ride about in this same car with its bitter (or at least bittersweet) memories. If this was some macabre gesture of economy, it was most unfortunate since it prevented the Warren Commission from making its own examination and using the car in its filmed re-enactments. Only the bullet-scarred windshield (scarred with lead, not copper) was saved for the Commission 43 and there is both photographs and testimonial evidence to suggest it was not the same one that went to Dallas. But enough. Asking questions about the Warren Commission, the evidence, the meanings of it all, is like punching the Tarbaby of Uncle Remus tale. Let’s end the speculation. What we have here is a tape – a tape originally made without the knowledge of those being recorded; belatedly discovered; and eventually released by a President in edited form. The trail of discovery beckons analogy to the Watergate tapes. The existence of the tape is at least established, and if it does not turn up, or is not released to the American public, the mystery of its unavailability will surely darken. CITATIONS 1. William Manchester, The Death of a President (New York; Harper & Row, 1967) p. 371n. 2. Letter from Pierre Salinger to Vincent Salandria, 12/25/67. 3. Letter from Colonel James U. Cross to Vincent Salandrai, 1/2/68. 4. Letter from Harry J. Middleton to Fred T. Newcomb, 5/16/75. 5. Manchester, p. 302-305. 6. Telephone Interview, April 1971. 7. Manchester, p. 349-350. 8. Transcript. 9. Transcript. 10. Manchester, p. 371n., 268. 11. Manchester, p. 341. 12. Transcript. 13. Manchester, p. 268-272. 14. Transcript. 15. Manchester, p. 342. 16. Jim Bishop, The Day Kennedy Was Shot (New York; Funk & Wagnalls, 1968) p. 273. 17. Manchester, p. 346. 18. Transcript. 19. Theodore H. White, The Making of a President 1964 (New York; Signet Books, 1965) paperback edition p. 48. 20. Manchester, p. 284. 21. Bishop, p. 505. 22. There Was A President (National Broadcasting Co. 1966) p. 20. 23. Warren Commission’s evidence, Vol. #24, p. 765. 24. NBC-TV Broadcast, 2:45 P.M. (C.S.T.) Nov. 22, 1963. 25. White, p. 20. 26. White, p. 20. 27. Manchester, p. 253, 269. 28. Bishop, p. 285; There Was A President, NBC, p. 30. 29. White, p. 21. 30. Note from Theodore White to Vincent Salandria, undated. 31. Telephone interview, Oct. 17, 1975. 32. Transcript. 33. Joe L. Richards, Warren Commission Hearings, Vol. #21, p. 226. Ibid, Vol. 21, p. 217. 34. Warren Commission Exhibits NO. 841, 843. 35. Warren Commission Document NO. 5, p. 163. 36. Report of Secret Service Agent Richard E. Johnson, Commission Document NO. 3; Testimony of Roy Kellerman, Warren Committion Hearings Vol. #2, p. 99. 37. Warren Report, p. 104, New York Times Ed. , P.B. 38. Warren Commission Document NO. 5, p. 163. 39. Testimony of Robert A. Frazier, Warren Commission Hearings, Vol. #5, p. 72. 40. Ibid., Vol. #15, p. 700; testimony of Lyndal L. Shaneyfelt. 41. New York Times, December 17, 1963. Posted by Bill Kelly at 2:45 PM 2 comments: dalethorn said... "The American military had been put on global alert. Pennsylvania troopers had thrown a guard around former President Eisenhower’s Gettysburg farm. The CIA watch committee had been activated. The government of West Germany was bracing for a possible invasion. Within the time frame of the historical flight, strong suspicions of conspiracy were emerging and none had been laid to rest. But aboard the presidential plane, according to White, people were being told not only that Oswald was the assassin, but that he acted alone!" And that sums up the story. The wider reality was fear and doubt, but the reality in the inner circle was about tying up loose ends to create the false yet official narrative. January 11, 2019 at 7:23 PM Tyler Newcomb said... Right spot on Dale January 11, 2019 at 7:27 PM Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom) Followers About Me Bill Kelly View my complete profile ► ► ► November (1) ► October ( ► February (4) ► January (1) ► 2015 (32) (3) ► April (8) ► March (3)

"On Nov. 17, 1962, after the crisis had passed, an Air Force plan showed the extent of attack aircraft available to attack Cuba. Gen. Curtis LeMay, the Air Force chief of staff, had argued for a U.S. attack on the missile bases. His post-crisis plan showed there were 1,456 aircraft and 355 missiles, including 80 Polaris missiles on nuclear submarines, available to strike Cuba. Those aircraft, the memo showed, were available "for selective attack in graduated increments from two to twelve hours, according to the application of force desired." This came from a recently released file .

the conspirators were willing to kill the President of the United States in broad daylight in front of hundreds of witnesses. So, yes, they would risk having the Umbrella man there to signal when JFK was coming to make the murder happen. 3 liberal leaders (JFK, RFK and MLK) were murdered by conservative ....