Chuck Schwartz

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If I remember what Robert Montenegro wrote on a post earlier (and then deleted), Connally was hit at least twice.

Good quote, Peter- it was written in the early 60's , I believe. Then, in '68 , he wrote: The Wicked Messenger Bob Dylan There was a wicked messenger From Eli he did come With a mind that multiplied The smallest matter When questioned who had sent for him He answered with his thumb For his tongue it could not speak, but only flatter. He stayed behind the assembly hall It was there he made his bed Oftentimes he could be seen returning Until one day he just appeared With a note in his hand which read "The soles of my feet, I swear they're burning" Oh, the leaves began to fallin' And the seas began to part And the people that confronted him were many And he was told but these few words Which opened up his heart "If ye cannot bring good news, then don't bring any". Source: Musixmatch Songwriters: Bob Dylan / Dylan Bob The Wicked Messenger lyrics © Dwarf Music

Chris, also, there were some witnesses that said the limo stopped: 1) Jean Hill (who stood to the immediate left of the limousine with her friend Mary Moorman during the assassination), in her Sheriff’s Dept. affidavit of 11/22/63, stated that the limousine stopped for an instant; (2) Hugh Betzner (standing behind the limousine during the assassination), in his Sheriff’s Dept. affidavit of 11/22/63, said twice that the limousine stopped during the assassination; (3) Roy Truly, Oswald’s boss at the TSBD, later stated that the limousine swerved to the left and stopped during the assassination; (4) DPD officer Bobby W. Hargis—riding escort to the immediate left rear of the limousine—in an interview never published by a local newspaper, but whose text was later found and written about by Richard Trask in his book Pictures of the Pain, stated that the limousine stopped during the assassination; and (5) In numerous interviews over many years, Bill Newman (standing to the immediate right of the limousine during the assassination with his wife and two children) has repeatedly and consistently recalled that there was a very brief, but definite car stop by the limousine during the assassination

David, I believe that J Edgar Hoover was an integral part of the cover-up and would never have let the names of the Big Event organizers be revealed on any report. So, if you are relying on an FBI report to determine if Curtis Lemay was at the Bethesda autopsy, you are being gullible, IMHO. ( that is like believing Allan Dulles and his WC report, when it was Dulles who helped develop the plan to murder JFK).. So, to quote what Bob Dylan said in the song "The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest" : " No one said a thing when they carried him out... except the little neighbor boy, who muttered underneath his breath, " nothing is revealed.""

David, do you think Curtis Lemay was at the Bethesda "autopsy" barking orders?

Chris, I agree with Ron- nice to see you post and the answer to your question is yes- Marina was under great pressure (not just from HL Hunt) to adhere to the LN narrative.

I agree with Finan O'Toole 100%.

Jim, thanks for the Sylvia Meagher quote- I remember reading her book decades ago and fully understanding that someone was setting LHO up to take the fall for the JFK hit.

Recent posts (that have since been deleted by the author )about Operation 40 caused me to re-read this thread.

The term "xxxxing New Guy" (FNG) is a derogatory term, made popular within combatants, military chaplains, and combat medics of the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps deployed to South East Asia during the Vietnam War, usually to refer to newcomers.

Robert, do you have a view of the role (if any) that Curtis Lemay played in the Big Event/coverup of the Big Event? If so, what is that view? Thank you.

I agree with Rob and Kishan. I would also add John Newman, Sylvia Meagher, Mae Brussell, Anthony Summers, Cyril Wecht and Bill Kelly.

From Bill Kelly's blog (JFKCountercoup).."By William E. Kelly (billkelly3@gmail.com) “The day they blew the brains of the king Thousands were watching, no one saw a thing It happened so quickly, so quick, by surprise Right there in front of everyone’s eyes Greatest magic trick ever under the sun Perfectly executed, skillfully done…..” – Bob Dylan – “Murder Most Foul” “President Kennedy’s assassination was the work of magicians. It was a stage trick complete with actor’s accessories and props. And when the curtain fell the actors and even the scenery, disappeared. But the magicians were not illusionists, but professionals, artists in their own right.” - Fairwell America by French Intelligence officers Philippe de Vosjoli, M. Andre Ducret

fyi- there is a very relevant thread on this website called, " Dino Brugioni "

I agree with you, Kishan.

Paul, yes, I believe this relates Skorenzy. Kenn Thomas used the phrase werewolf commando's for the JFK Assassination. I have never seen supporting data on this, though. Some say the Torbitt document supports this , but I don't know. Mae Brussell did show a possible connection between Nazi's such as Skorenzy and the JFK hit. ( I doubt this connection was real)

Note the reference to "Wolfman" Jack... could relate to a German nazi commando hit team (called the Werewolf commandos) supposedly in Dallas for the Big Event

If you look at the cover of the John Wesley Hardin vinyl album (came out in '68/'69), there are small faces embedded in the trees that you can only see with a magnifying glass. It could relate to the zapruder film, where some say you can see the real shooter (that killed JFK) behind the picket fence up on the grassy knoll, where a lot of the witnesses ran to minutes/ seconds after the shots rang out.

The following is a Mae Brussell footnote on Otto O.:"Hon. John R. Rarick of Louisiana told Congress about a long-suppressed Government Employees Exchange report titled "Otto Otepka: Victim of the New Team", on the CIA to establish an underground government within our government (Congressional Record April 30, 1969 - pg. 10918)."

And, in an essay by David Manning, it was stated that Pierre Finck was the only pathologist present at both the JFK and the RFK autopsies.

the testimony of Dr Pierre Finck in the Clay Shaw trial was interesting: A:I will remind you that I was not in charge of the autopsy, that I was called.. Q:You were a co-author of the report though, weren’t you Doctor? A:Wait. I was called as a consultant to look at these wounds, that doesn’t mean I am running the show Q:Was Dr Humes running the show? A:Well, I heard Dr Humes stating that, he said “Who is in charge here?, and I heard an Army General, I don’t remember his name stating, “I am”. You must understand that in those circumstances, there were law enforcement officers, military people with various ranks, and you have to co-ordinate the operation according to directions. Q:But you were one of the three qualified pathologists standing at the autopsy table, weren’t you Doctor? A:Yes Q:Was this Army General a qualified pathologist? A:No Q:Was he a Doctor? A:No, not to my knowledge Q:Can you give me his name, Colonel? A:No, I cant, I dont remember So, we have one of the co-authors of the report, one of the three qualified pathologists, stating, under oath, that he did not know who was running the autopsy. Reply <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/895514cdcb8bc218019bd641fc876078?s=64&d=mm&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/895514cdcb8bc218019bd641fc876078?s=128&d=mm&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' />George Simmons says: October 19, 2013 at 4:20 pm Another interesting point of Dr Finck’s testimony was when he was asked why he did not dissect the track of the bullet wound in the neck. He seemed to be very reluctant to answer this question, and had to be directed by the Judge to answer: Q:I will ask you the question one more time: Why did you not dissect the track of the bullet wound that you have described today and you saw at the time of the autopsy at the time you examined the body? Why? I ask you to answer that question. A:As I recall I was told not to. But I don’t remember by whom. Q:You were told not to, but you don’t remember by whom? A:Right Q:Could it have been one of the Admirals or one of the Generals in the room? A:I don’t recall. So, we also have one of the co authors of the report, one of the three qualified pathologists stating he did not do this dissection because he was told not to, but he cannot recall who told him not to do it. Reply <img alt='' src='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/655a7ee5c1bb2b165e7efdca7cd27ef9?s=64&d=mm&r=g' srcset='https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/655a7ee5c1bb2b165e7efdca7cd27ef9?s=128&d=mm&r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' />Ray Mitcham says: October 20, 2013 at 11:20 am Paul O’Connor said General le May was present at the autopsy

Andrej, thank you for that information on Earle Cabell. I believe we now know, also, that Earle was a CIA asset. And, his brother, Charles Cabell , worked directly for Allen Dulles in the CIA. Both A. Dulles and C. Cabell were fired by JFK for the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

Another aspect of Ruby was his going to the radio station owned by McLendon(?), who was friends with DAP, right after the assassination- could that be where Ruby took direction from (re: killing LHO)?

Larry, when Ruby was correcting the Dallas Police in the Dallas Police station on what organization LHO was a part (re: Cuba) of , doesn't that say Ruby knew what the narrative would be for the lone gunman?