Ian Lloyd

Thanks Gil...very interesting read...

Nice work Gil. It seems to me that there are 2 people who can very closely pinpoint the time – Helen Markham (HM) and T. F. Bowley (TFB)… HM had a routine whereby she would leave her home around 1:00 to make the short walk of “…6 or 7 minutes…” to the bus-stop to catch her bus. She said the bus time was 1:15. We know the bus time was actually 1:12. Taking into account that, if the bus were to arrive early, it should stop and wait until the allotted time to leave to ensure that any people catching that particular bus would do so as long as they were at the stop at 1:12. But let’s say the 1:12 would normally arrive sometime between 1:12-1:15, hence HM referring to the bus time as 1:15 – also, 1:15 is closer to 1:12 than it is to 1:22; if she usually caught the 1:22, I would probably expect her to say the bus time was 1:25. Therefore, I suspect that she arrived at the bus-stop sometime between 1:07-1:09 in plenty of time to catch the 1:12 bus. TFB worked as an “Installation Manager” for Western Electricity – sounds like he’s a pretty professional guy and it’s possibly the kind of job that required good timekeeping. He certainly seemed to be precise about times – he states he collected his daughter from school at 12:55 – not “around or approximately or a few minutes before/after 1:00” and, when he arrived at the Tippit scene and checked his watch, it read 1:10 – again, not “around or approximately or a few minutes before/after 1:00”. Also, his precision about the time makes me believe that he was a person who liked, maybe demanded, punctuality both in himself and others, in which case I would expect that he probably regularly checked his watch to ensure it was reading the correct time. Do we know what type of clock was used in the DPD dispatcher’s office? Analogue or digital?

I suppose the hospital clock and/or doctor's watch could have been wrong by "...5 or 6 minutes..." 😁

Time of declaration of death is different to time of murder.

Precisely my point...

Callaway says he heard shots "around 1pm". Markham says she thinks the shooting occured around 1:06-1:07 based on a routine of hers to catch a bus. Bowley says he was at the scene at 1:10 (after the shooting) after checking his watch. BUT: Callaway might have heard the shots anytime between 1:00 & 1:30. Markham's clock may have been out by 5 or 6 minutes. Bowley's watch may have been out by 5 or 6 minutes. Hmmm... Also, what was the (original) recorded time for DOA?

Bowley's watch could have been off by 5 or 6 minutes, then again, it may not have been...He seemed quite relaint on it so I would expect him to ensure it was reading the correct time. Trying to make things fit a narrative?

Makes sense to me that she left her home at "...around 1:00..." to catch the 1:12 bus - I can't imagine she would leave at 1:00 to catch a 1:22 bus when it was only a block or so i.e. a few minutes' walk for her. Also, I can't imagine that the bus would arrive at the stop at precisely 1:12 every time, if anything probably late rather than early (if early, it should wait until the alloted time to leave), so she thinks of it as a 1:15 bus...Even if she gets there a little later, it's only around 10 minutes extra wait for the 1:22, so she gives herself a safety net. Again, if so, this would convince me that she normally caught the 1:12 bus. It seems that she caught this bus regularly and has her timings quite precise in her WC testimony.

Could the first document be read differently in that, following the search of LHO's trousers, anything that was found was removed, leaving the pockets empty (though the piece of paper mentioned in the first paragraph was missed)?

Still wondering why we have to believe that the Carcano had to have been disassembled to get it into the TSBD...there may be other ways an assembled Carcano could have been taken into the TSBD (one example by Greg)...? Perhaps this assumption needs more exploration.

1:59 and 2:22 of this clip...

Certainly does Chris - nice work again!!! I wonder if any film of the search shows any cops with guns of any sort? Plenty outside carrying shotguns...I'd be surprised if the cops were going in for a search for an alleged armed shooter but were told to leave their weapons outside in case they contaminated the search area???

Notwithstanding the YouTube comment, I thought this had been previously addressed and explained as being a cop's shotgun? Maybe a clearer image will help...

I did read it - the hypothesis still relies on the rifle being broken down but, if I am reading it correctly, also requires 2 bags and additional people separately bringing different parts of the rifle?

I'm wondering if we've been 'conditioned' over the years to believe that the only way the rifle could have got into the TSBD is by Oswald breaking it down and taking it in the "paper sack"? The rifle that was supposedly ordered was advertised as being 36" long. The rifle supposedly delivered was 40.2" long; that's a difference of ~4". If that was delivered to Oswald, would he (assuming he received the rifle) have noticed the difference in length? When the paper sack was fabricated, maybe whoever made it thought, or was told, that it needs to be 38" long (to cater for a 36" rifle as the person thought it was 36" long since that is what was ordered, and the 4" difference hadn't been noted) with an additional 2" to allow for folding the end over the fully assembled rifle. When the rifle was placed in the sack it was then noticed that 2" of the end of the barrel was sticking out of the end. This is a dilemma but is surely easily resolved, but not by deciding the only answer is to dismantle the rifle to make it fit but just place, say, a standard paper grocery bag over the protruding 2" of barrel? Or... The rifle was taken into the TSBD fully assembled. Another thing...If I recall correctly, the rifle was found upside down i.e. resting on the scope? Again, we seem to have been conditioned to believe is that the scope on the rifle was faulty during the assassination (assuming it was used) - but it may have been ok until the rifle was dropped between stacks of boxes in an upside down position i.e. it landed on the scope and that's when the damage occurred?

Did Ellsworth take part in the initial search of the TSBD as well?

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Does the fact that he announced to the world that he was a "patsy" also suggest that he was involved in, or had some knowledge of, a plot?

Depending where you look, if I recall correctly, the DPD gave one figure and the WC gave another...

13.87?

Wouldn't the limo braking sharply cause JFK's head to move forward, not backwards?

Good points Bill - surely, if the sling was still fixed to the "disassembled" rifle, it's only going to make it more awkward to reassemble the thing, what with getting it untangled etc.?

Last paragraph on page 353, LHO letter to Robert, is a bit cryptic... "If you find out any information about me, please let me know, I'd like to be ready on the draw so too [sic] speak" ???