Kirk Gallaway

Yeah I saw that film of Tosh Plumlee's supposed account of flying to Dallas. I don't remember anyone else he talked about being on the flight other than Johnny Roselli, other than maybe a Cuban name? I can't remember. I didn't believe him. It was shown on Newsmax a number of times, maybe 10 years ago. Hey I got this in my feed this morning from the New York magazine's "Intelligencer." Sounds like another CIA front!! heh heh What really happened to JFK? How one dogged journalist proved that the CIA lied about Lee Harvey Oswald — and spent decades covering it up. I rolled my eyes but when I opened it, then I saw 2 pictures , one of George Johannides and the other LHO, but I couldn't scroll and they are asking me to subscribe. Is this Morley? Can anyone scroll down on this and resend it to here? https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/jfk-assassination-documents-national-archives.html

Ben, Dulles is probably the closest thing to a "focus of evil" so to speak figure that I've ever seen in a least 15 years following this forum. And I think Talbot's "Devil's Chessboard" is the reason for that. I hold the theory in some high esteem as the most likely of a plurality of theories. But I think you're coming in not wedded to any one theory is the best place to be Ben. Particularly where at least IMO elements of the forum are sort of mired in at least what IMO turns out to be obstructionist fiercely held hero and conspiracy super hero and super villain politics. As someone whose a bit more familiar with Talbot, that I know what his responses will be to almost everything. I'm looking for anything new and Greenwald brought up the Brazilian coup. But I don't find the response to this interview very penetrating, because it's mostly the same Talbot stuff most people here are familiar with, hashed over again but it's chief value at this point, for most adherents is for repeated reinforcement and validation for their theories.. To get back to the interview. I know a bit about interviewing people. I think Greenwald is very intentional in his method here. Greenwald is sort of unaligned like you Ben, but a relative newcomer and complete novice about the details of the JFKA. That's a pretty good place for Greenwald to be in that he gets street cred with Talbot for being anti "deep state", so he can ask him questions reflecting some of his skepticism, and be accepted. The first question of some curiosity for Greenwald was mentioning the coup in Brazil and then button hooking it at the end into solidarity with Talbot about the msm collusion*. He wanted to see if Talbot, who holds JFK as probably the greatest American of our lifetime, (and it shows!) would acknowledge JFK was part of that coup, but leaves him an out to commiserate about the U.S. media coverage. Talbot doesn't address the JFK LBJ coup, so you wonder if he even knows about it! But takes up the media collusion. Then later, Greenwald mentions another revered member of the left, Noam Chomsky, and cites his denial that JFK wanted out of Vietnam and gets Talbot's viewpoint on that. * I'm giving Greenwald the benefit of the doubt about the evil MSM collusion prior to the JFKA, but it could be as willful back then as he assumes. I think more likely intelligence just cultivated "confidential sources" to the small number of media sources and outright BS'ed them, and they just accepted that they got the "inside scoop." because they didn't know any better and just blindly believed them! And that was the beginning of "Operation Mocking Bird."

Jim:I have Kirk on ignore but I have to read this stuff when someone else quotes him But nobody else quoted the post where I quoted you Jim. So your claim that you put me on ignore is false. Jim:DId I say this? Jim: The Brazil coup took place in the spring of 1964. That should be enough to cause anyone to hesitate assigning blame to JFK. Yes that's exactly what you said. it's a direct quote! Jim:So the CIA prepared some contingency plans for JFK. We do not know if Kennedy would have enacted them. I agree completely. This is the first time you admitted any possibility of JFK being party to any coup planning and a possibility he may have enacted this plan. I also think that's possible. Jim: Anyone who can leave out David Rockefeller in what happened in 1964 in Brazil is simply not being honest! Read what I wrote. I said I never knew anything about this. Are you sure you're not also researching this for the first time? Do you have anything from K&K to share with us? How come you've been silent about the coup in Brazil for 10 years here, Jim ? Oh, I some good news for you Jim. Jill Stein is running for President again!

Paul: I suppose most readers won’t bother to listen to the interview in Ben’s shorter version, much less the full one, so they won’t see what I saw, which is that the question Greenwald was posing, which Talbot did not shy away from, was the biased media coverage, then and now. ? So what is more important Paul? The fact that the U.S. engineered a coup to overthrow the standing Brazilian President or the eventual U.S. media suppression of that fact? I know that's Greenwald's point, but I want to dig deeper and would have liked to have heard Talbot's reaction, to see if he even knew about it! But all I said concerning Talbot was that Talbot was silent. Come on Paul, do you really think Talbot would shy away from the topic of biased media coverage? That's the low hanging fruit. Jim: The Brazil coup took place in the spring of 1964. That should be enough to cause anyone to hesitate assigning blame to JFK. Yes Jim, well, maybe to hesitate. But Goulart first came to the presidency in 1961! The coup started in March 1964! Plans for the overthrow of a government could have been years in the making! That's why Greenwald, assigned blame to both JFK and LBJ! The coup was in the early months of LBJ . See that to me Paul, is far more interesting than just to review the interview as "awesome" and why I don't think my review was at all 'useless" as you said. And as I said, being familiar with Talbot, 90% of his answers I anticipated, as I assume you maybe did too. But this was to me by far the most interesting event raised in the interview. Jim I appreciate you giving us some background. You've covered a lot of JFK foreign policy, and I've never Ive never heard you talk about the coup in Brazil.. Re: the coup in March 1964, 3 years after Goulart became president. Here's what it says in just a preliminary look into Wikipedia. "Throughout his tenure, (1961-1964)Goulart had come under numerous efforts to pressure and destabilize his government and plots to overthrow him. Brazil's relations with the United States deteriorated and the American government allied with opposition forces and their efforts, supporting the coup. " Thanks Jim. So we know at the time of JFK's death, Goulart, (who according to Greenwald, wanted some rent control and to address more equitable land reform from the wealthy land barons) was perceived for some period of time by JFK and RFK as a "problem" that they tried to address without any results. And then 4 months later the U.S. started a coup! Wow!, that's about as damning a scenario cast on JFK foreign policy as you'll ever get from Jim! But I agree, we don't know if JFK would have started the coup. Yeah, it sounds like another bad appointment! heh heh Paul: Now’s your chance to prove your point! Is that good enough for you Paul, that there might be some suspicion?? Oh no? Take it up with Greenwald!

Ben, you do realize that a more complete version of this interview entitled "David Talbot interviewed by Glenn Greenwald" was posted here last week by JJ Lane and you actually contributed to the post thanking him for posting? If you remember this, why didn't you just contribute to his thread, instead of opening a new one? Since most of the us know Talbot pretty well. I've read Devil's Chessboard, some of "Brothers" a lot of articles and interviews and I could anticipate many of Talbot's answers in this interview. I would say Talbot and Newman have become the JFKA community sort of middle of the road here and Talbot's general views and specific indictment of Dulles is probably embraced by the most people here. So, unless you're not familiar with Talbot, who is a good read. There was little new here except I might try to add something fresh here other than the usual din of praise, and mention the things I thought were most interesting. Greenwald who lives in Brazil alleges a 1964 coup in Brazil that was first initiated by both JFK and LBJ over a Prime Minister who the U.S. thought to be Socialist for only wanting simple things such as rent control and some land reform. It certainly goes counter to Talbot's as well as a number of authors here preaching of JFK's non interventionism. I didn't know anything about this. But when Greenwald confronts Talbot about it, he is silent. Of course not addressing it is sort of more of the same politics. Let's all get along and not further investigate it, and agree to spare JFK's non interventionist image, nor investigate the accuracy of Greenwald's claims. If I didn't bring this matter up. I would expect it to be thrown in the trash bin as it has been for the last week and I suspect that will continue.. Of course Ben, you've continually roasted Biden for not releasing the JFKA files while ignoring that Trump first resisted opening the JFKA files. But there was another such free speech issue that you've taken up the mantle of, and that is the the freeing of Julian Assange. But as Greenwald says here, Trump could have pardoned Assange. A number of people pleaded with him to, but Trump refused! Greenwald knee jerk automatically assumes that it was due to the some pressuring by the NSS "deep state" and maybe you do as well. But the reason could be as simple as Trump might just look at Assange as a" dirty hippy", and if he didn't have any people around him who were that concerned, what reason would Trump have to pardon Assange? Like the Magas, you're projecting on Trump that he holds your ideals. Talbot and Greenwald do delve into their politics, which is to be expected if you've read either of them. Regarding the War in Israel, Talbot is not pro Israel, and takes up his cause by saying the opposition to Israeli decimation of the Gaza strip was being suppressed in the U.S. media. He also cites that there is a concerted "clampdown on dissent among intellectuals' political leaders and artists'". "Clampdown?" I don't know what he' talking about! It looks to me like everybody is stirring up sh-t on both sides, and things are occasionally getting ugly. While I agree with him the MSM has staunchly backed Biden's reasons for backing Israel,which is the immediate reaction to the Hamas terrorist attack, there's becoming just as much coverage now for humanitarian concerns about the plight of the innocent victims in the Gaza strip, and I see it on both CNN and Fox. It represents a case to me where the left just knee jerk talks about the media oppression, whether it's happening in reality or not. You can decry veering into "politics" again, but that's exactly what Greenwald and Talbot do. And there's no reason that relevant topics such as U.S. intervention in Brazil shouldn't be explored any more than either Talbot or Greenwald shouldn't be scrutinized.

Yes Jim, you started a thread announcing the next RFK Speech. You don't remember? In context Ben and I were loosely talking about forum decorum. I was in essence saying that I've heard no LNer's here on the forum say they oppose the release of the files back in 2017 or now. Jim: Does anyone think that RFK would not at least try and do that? Of course he would, but things are happening in the present.This is probably the heaviest decade since the 60's. We got 2 wars going on. If RFK could, I'd say the results would be, Sorry no "smoking gun" of Tucker lore. The LNer's would crow. But some inquisitive researchers might find some more leads to look into. Jim: IMO, this is one of the reasons the MSM does not like him and is giving him a bad press. Plus the fact he appeared in Stone's film. And he did well. Now you're veering into politics. But a number of us told you at the beginning this would happen. I don't think Stone"s film had much to do with it. He's really treated no differently than any other popular name recognition candidate who would have that vaccine baggage after a pandemic. Many people see RK as too loose on that front, and are concerned. W's article supports that. "We’re going to give infectious disease a break for about eight years.” Most people see that as radical! Most of this is result of his own doing. As a candidate, there was a way he could have mitigated it, but he chose to get stubborn and waste precious minutes acting as if he was a teenager fiercely defending his Senior Class Science Project. Then later, so ineptly, he allows himself to get chided and played by the right.

Like I predicted, quintuple revenge payback was accomplished by Israel in a week. I agree with Doug, I think Biden's domestic priorities are maybe the best of any President of our time, with possible exception of Jimmy Carter, and my hopes for RFK. But everyday for the last 3 weeks he hasn't called for a ceasefire just damages him in the eyes of the world, not to mention his election chances. I enjoyed that interview with Ilan Pappe, Doug! The only thing that could save him would be if he got support from our allies, and in the next 9 months the world gets some confidence that we are on the road to a 2 state solution. If Biden accomplished that, he will have achieved something no President in the post war era world could and be remembered as a great President. These are his stated intentions, and no doubt the intentions of a lot of our allies. We don't know what he's telling Netanyahu in private. But first there has to be an acknowledged turnaround, from this no ceasefire policy. And then an acknowledgment that getting rid of the spirit of Hamas is impossible no matter how much of Hamas you've killed, and we have to take a new direction. Biden has been shrewder than a lot of people have given him credit for. The question is: is he shrewd enough to realize that if he doesn't shoot for the fences now, his chances for reelection will be zero? I'm seeing a lot of coverage from CNN and Fox about the plight of the people in Gaza as well as Israel. It's really a "whole world is watching" moment. Biden has to be aware that sticking with Israel, right or wrong is political suicide!

I love all 3 American sports.! Baseball is what I was best in. I was 5-1 as a pitcher in Little League, and 13-0 as a fast pitch softball pitcher in junior high inter school competition. But when i got to high school, I decided you could get more girls in a R&R band and the British invasion was going on! I don't think there's any question that Football is America's sport. Both Football and Basketball have monetized their sports very well in our lifetimes with Basketball being a truly International sport now. Baseball is too slow moving for the restless new young generations with their devices. I'm glad they've speeded up the game. But now they face this question, why play 162 games a year if who ends up winning is the hottest team at the end of the season with a mediocre season record? What exacerbates this now is insisting on having so may teams entered into the playoffs, that the best performing teams during the season get cold because they are forced to wait for these wild cards teams to eliminate one another.

But cumulatively, it's been 1000 times, and everybody already knows that!. And who would disagree with opening the files anyway? Even LNer's want the files open! And you could more appropriately push your alternative political beliefs there, but it's too low profile for you.

Yeah, Congratulations Ron! I loved it when Dusty took the Astros to the Championship! But I was firmly for Bochy over Dusty because Bochy took us 3 times to the Championship and Dusty pulled our stater Russ Ortiz with a 1 hitter in the bottom of the 7th to then blow a 5 run lead with us up 3-2 in game 6, then to lose game 7 in 2002! I'm always in favor of a new team winning the World Series. It's great for the town! I actually remember the Senators! I had Bob Lemon, Harmon Killebrew and Claude Osteen baseball cards! I thought Osteen was good, but the Dodgers got wise and traded for him, which sucked for us!. P.S. Then it occurred to. Why did you mention the Senators? The Senators moved to Minneapolis.

That's exactly right. People should be treated the same. I remember the buzz here around the time RK was about to declare. There was a lot of RK fawning and hero worship and very little of substance, but in my mind it could be forgiven at the time, because he was a Kennedy and offered a renewed promise opening the files.. Still it was apparent to me Jim was trying to make the forum a calendar of RK political events, opening threads telling us about his next engagements and big speeches coming up. This is twice just in this thread, Ben ! And how many more times are we going to hear you filibustering these threads saying that very same thing with no news about JFK records? When news breaks on that front, I can assure we will all hear about it here. Yet when both Jim and Ben overstep and the thread eventually gets put into "political discussions". They completely lose interest because the political discussion thread is a ghastly combination of being too political knowledge intensive and too low attention profile for Jim and Ben.

Mike Johnson was dropped on everybody so fast, the media had no time to vet him. He' an absolute extremist loon! Notice the conciliation the GOP wants is to down fund the IRS! That should tell everybody where the GOP is at. This pretty much tells it. There's a clip of Matt Gaetz crowing that the GOP has now taken over by the MAGA wing! Will the GOP shut down the government? Should we be really upset or will this eventually be just another incident of the Maga Republicans hanging themselves in 24'?

Yeah, directing people including women and children to camps in South Gaza and then bombing them! I saw this interview with a guy in the Knesset who speaks great English and he says the people of Israel felt a great sense of relief and gratitude at Biden's declaration that the U.S. stands by Israel. People freak out about that but it's really only Biden reaffirming the U.S. position that Israel is an ally. That's to be expected. But what really matters is what is Biden doing behind the scenes? When asked if Israel is being pressured by BIden for a humanitarian evacuation he said not "pressured" but "advised". To me it better be pressured, but of course I would expect them to overemphasize solidarity and say "advised" I'm relieved that a humanitarian evacuation is starting to happen. But this bombing of the designated refugee areas is a human tragedy that also makes us look like dooky. Biden should have called Israel to cease fire a couple of weeks ago. Though we have incomplete knowledge, Biden looks pretty weak. It's the best for the stability of the world as well as the region if the only country that has the power to shape events in the Middle East is not seen to be so partisan. Otherwise the whole region could go up in flames.

Hey, Law and order time!

Yeah wow Matt! There goes the magic bullet theory! Ben, Are you pushing to induct Taibbi into the "JFKA Conspiracy Superstars Hall of Fame"? Or maybe "new JFKA Conspiracy Superstar News Giant?" That certainly was the only thing holding Taibbi back from "conspiracy supercoolness." He just couldn't conceive that anything could happen before him. And maybe a good comeback after Musk fired him from the "twitter files".

I like this guy

The story behind that Matt, was that when JFK was nominated, there were people who feared he'd take orders from the Pope, being a Catholic!

Justice Thomas’s R.V. Loan Was Forgiven, Senate Inquiry Finds The justice failed to repay much, perhaps all, of the $267,230 loan. His benefactor wiped the slate clean, with ethical and potential tax consequences. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/us/politics/clarence-thomas-rv-loan-senate-inquiry.html?algo=combo_clicks_decay_6_lda_unique_80_diversified&block=3&campaign_id=142&emc=edit_fory_20231026&fellback=false&imp_id=6403690949077669&instance_id=106212&nl=for-you&nlid=61798350&pool=icymi-for-email-ls&rank=8&regi_id=61798350&req_id=4542480072721660&segment_id=148418&surface=for-you-email-channelless&user_id=48552702f942aacb0810b9de5ca41c55&variant=5_icymi_pool_popularity_pers

House votes to back Israel and condemn Hamas 412-10!. Only one Republican voted against it and that was Thomas Massie. Even despite Bernie's earlier comments of concern for the innocent residents of Gaza, he ended up voting for it. So the Republicans are yes on Israel and no on Ukraine! Not coincidentally just like RK! https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4276005-these-democrats-voted-against-resolution-backing-israel/ But the bottom line is always about funding. I assume this means large support for Biden's package asking for 14.3 billion in Israeli aid and retribution. It's itemized here.

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I have little doubt that Israel would be boots on the ground in Gaza right now if it wasn't for Biden. But it looks like Biden is only going to be concerned about American hostages getting free and too bad about the catastrophic loss of human life and suffering.. I think Biden's the only person in the world that could change the equation, and it seems apparent he's not going to. But still the smartest thing he could do for all hostages would be to call for a ceasefire, to let some smoke settle. Israel has already gotten payback. Even if they significantly get rid of much of Hamas. Their actions in doing so will just ensure it will come back in some other form.

Whew!, This 60 minutes Australian piece on Australian billionaire Anthony Pratt,who was the one who revealed Trump told him sensitive military secrets. Pratt "Trump says whateverTF he wants. Trump: "i just bombed Iraq today and the President of Iraq called me up and said, "You just bombed my city, and I said, What are you going go do about it?" Trump: "You know that Ukraine phone call? That's nothing compared to what I usually do!"

So Kenneth Chesboro worked with Lawrence Tribe in Bush Vs. Gore in 2000? So why the 180? He was always a workaholic but changed when he became a Crypto millionaire! https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/us/politics/chesebro-trump.html

Actually I've always thought Ralph Nader was a great man. My Dad, my brother and I voted for him in 2000. It was a mistake though my brother still doesn't think so. The only excuse I have is that I'm from California, which was always going to go for Gore anyway. But he did ensure that Bush won in Florida and so won the election. But he had no way of knowing that. I actually met him once in a plane and he was very gracious. W. I did think the Nader article was better than the Plitkin article but I find do find some fault in both of them. Nader:Did Biden get Israel and Egypt to allow the exit of hundreds of American citizens fleeing the Gazan firestorm? No! Nader:Did Biden open up corridors for humanitarian aid to the babies, children, women, elderly and other civilians in Gaza who had nothing to do with the October 7th Hamas homicide/suicide attack on Israelis? No! I'd ask Ralph if he's prepared to put American troops on the ground? I'd say his answer is no. So the answer to both of these questions is also no. It's because Biden can't. Nader: He could have done what President Eisenhower did in 1956, when he demanded that the Israeli, British and French attack on Egypt stop immediately. And stop, they did! Yeah, those were the good old days! No he couldn't. Under what threat could the U.S. do that now? Nobody here wants U.S. boots on the ground in Gaza! Nader:To the contrary, earlier in the week he cruelly ordered his UN Ambassador to veto a widely supported resolution calling for a humanitarian ceasefire. I think that's the key. There has to be a ceasefire and then negotiation for hostages. I could see Nader saying that we have a closing window to make that appeal. And that's where I agree with W. We have to stop funding Israel for anything other than humanitarian assistance, and pursuing peace. As i said , they've already doubled the body count they've lost and created much more destruction. It's time for a ceasefire, and a negotiation of hostages. Plitnick: Biden has managed perhaps the most spectacular failure of policy in Palestine and Israel in U.S. history. That's very naive to say. The sort of mistake Biden made by not being more of an activist for the Palestinians, and employing a policy of "no news is good news" up to a couple of weeks ago would have been made by every U.S. President. And dare I say, JFK included. At any rate, I don't think it's a "spectacular failure", though the event itself was spectacular. Biden in Israel "As hard as it is, we cannot give up on peace. We cannot give up on a two-state solution,” the President said. Biden:“But I caution this: While you feel that rage, don’t be consumed by it. After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. While we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes.” I don't think Plitnick even mentioned Biden talking of 2 state solution, or "mistakes" did he?. Which required some guts as I'm sure this is the least likely time in our lives to mention a 2 state solution in Israel and have a general public sympathy for it.( Though I know there's some, millions of people in the country, over the years have had marches for a solution) ) Of course Plitnick would probably be skeptical it was anything more than talk and he' may be right. They definitely need more than 20 truckloads there! But we don't know what Biden is really doing. Plitkin's criticizing Biden for suggesting Egypt, Jordan the Saudis take in Gazan refugees. But the truth is nobody wants their countries to be like Lebanon with huge permanent Palestinian camps. Nobody is keen on taking in more refugees in that part of the globe, particularly after we f-ucked up the refugee situation so horribly with our Iraq War. I'm not a big Tom Friedman fan , but I at least like his idealism here. Friedman: I believe that if Israel rushes headlong into Gaza now to destroy Hamas — and does so without expressing a clear commitment to seek a two-state solution with the Palestinian Authority and end Jewish settlements deep in the West Bank — it will be making a grave mistake that will be devastating for Israeli interests and American interests. I like that's he's proposing a solution, but is it really realistic if we're depending on Israel to come to that conclusion? It's going to require Biden really being engaged and making a persistent effort with carrot and stick diplomacy over a period of time. But I agree with Friedman here that if we don't go for the brass ring and don't in the long run use our power and influence toward a long range greater good. This whole thing is just going to be disaster for Israel and us, which was maybe the idea all along. Can you imagine that Gazans are really that pleased with Hamas now that a lot of them have lost everything? Of course they can't like Israel for wreaking such destruction on them either! "Polls suggest that Palestinians are ready for a different order. In a July 2023 survey by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, half of those polled in Gaza agreed that “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution.” And 70 percent of Gazans favored the Palestinian Authority sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/opinion/biden-speech-israel-gaza.html?campaign_id=39&emc=edit_ty_20231020&instance_id=105672&nl=opinion-today®i_id=61798350&segment_id=147850&te=1&user_id=48552702f942aacb0810b9de5ca41c55 At least it's something to shoot for. But my guess is if the present situation gets out of hand, Biden will suffer if Americans see their hostages sacrificed, and he has great incentive to not be in that position.