Kirk Gallaway

Hmmm Sounds like you're infinitely better off listening to us. We're thinking of going Twitter-Elon and adopting a subscription model for the top thread because it is time consuming for us correcting all the fallacies that pop up every day. We' currently are in sensitive negotiations right now with the mods here about sharing the revenue. We think we might be able to beat Elon's $8 monthly price tag, but we'll see. heh heh Don't mean to hijack!

Did you read any of this? Bush and Cheney's much publicized run up to the Iraq war started in 2003. Read this again! He wrote this with Bush Cheney in almost 2006!. If he was so concerned about 9-11 rights violations. Why did he bandwagon with Bush Cheney Iraq war hysteria 5 years after 9-11? How about this quote Ben. So do you also think there was a MSM conspiracy to get us out of the Iraq War, like Glenn think? .Did you also feel Glenn's frustration at the MSM at the time? Are you aware of his tone here? Greenwald;American media refuses to understand what American citizens understand quite well: Do you think Smedley Butler would agree with Glenn?. Greenwald: There is no denying the fact that much of the world is opposed to the war in Iraq, and Latin America is no exception. That is hardly a surprise. Whatever one thinks of the Iraq war, it is always the case that threats to the national security of one country are going to be taken far more seriously by the people of that country, and far less seriously by the people in other countries… American media refuses to understand what American citizens understand quite well: particularly as to matters of American national security, the fact that people in other countries are opposed to what we are doing does not mean that what we are doing is misguided or wrong.” But what's worse is how he's tried to weasel out of his complicity. Look at the final link. https://thedailybanter.com/2013/04/glenn-greenwalds-hilarious-denial-about-his-support-for-iraq-war/

Cliff's right about the counter culture starting in the Bay Area. I actually know the Merry Prankster house. It was about 3 miles south of La Honda on Highway 84. I had just gotten my license and would take that way to go to the beach. It was just before I starting turning on to pot, and I saw what I later came to read was the "Furthur bus".. I thought, "Man, trippy place1 It looks like a lot of freaks there." They looked about 5-10 years older than me. A person I came to know actually rented the place in the mid 70's. He was a psycho pharmacologist, who like the rest of us had learned the whole psychedelic lore of the Merry Pranksters. A few years earlier in the very early 70's. I went to Willow Hospital in Menlo Park Ca.where Kesey, I believe first volunteered to be turned on to LSD. Boy did that experiment backfire! I was in therapy sessions within a group to pad my Psychological out from the draft during the later years of the Vietnam War, which was successful. I later met and talked with Ken Kesey, I would guess about 1972. He was lecturing at Canada College in Redwood City. Having read "Electric Kool acid test". In the book. I would liken Thomas Wolfe as sort of a fully clothed New England preppie guy walking around a nudist colony at those acid test except for the one time he took it , and said he'd never be the same again. (he never accounts taking it again, right?) Kesey was very accessible after his lecture. I asked him a question I always wanted to ask him. "Wasn't Thomas Wolfe kind of a thorn in your side, this whole time?" Now I wish I could remember the exact words he used, but he smiled and said, something to the extent of"we just sort of shined him on!" I'm a huge John fan but Allen's right about John Lenon. Understandably John was trying to emerge from his Beatle bubble phase and he wasn't an expert to ask about any of this stuff. By the time John got on to his political phase "Writing songs for the revolution" and "Power to the People", that revolution was largely over.

To be clear: Glenn Greenwald started out as a corporate lawyer. Glen Greenwald supported George Bush's War in Iraq. He never doubted WMD. His statement in Nov.2005. Greenwald: There is no denying the fact that much of the world is opposed to the war in Iraq, and Latin America is no exception. That is hardly a surprise. Whatever one thinks of the Iraq war, it is always the case that threats to the national security of one country are going to be taken far more seriously by the people of that country, and far less seriously by the people in other countries… American media refuses to understand what American citizens understand quite well: particularly as to matters of American national security, the fact that people in other countries are opposed to what we are doing does not mean that what we are doing is misguided or wrong.” Just like Donald Trump! https://www.weblinenews.com/donald-trump-glenn-greenwald-iraq-war/ But here is his disclaimer. Greenwald_When the Iraq War was debated and then commenced, I was not a writer. I was not a journalist. I was not politically engaged or active. https://thedailybanter.com/2013/04/glenn-greenwalds-hilarious-denial-about-his-support-for-iraq-war/

This answer definitely makes sense to his Maga minions.

Hmmm, Of course you're not really saying anything here Ben, because you're not telling us if you're cautioning us about being fooled or you anticipate being fooled, so it could literally be about anything! 1) is it that there will be riots and unrest in Arizona? or is it 2) "Don't count Donald Trump out, Bill Barr says Russia Gate's a hoax!" No one's contending that it's a revolution so how are we going to be fooled? Are you for the 1000th time cluing us that the parties are the same so it won't matter? We'll try this: 1)Are the Republicans as apt to try to impeach the President? And how do you think that will turn out? 2)Are the Republicans more apt to threaten debt limit default now to force cuts in Social Security and Medicare, which could have almost catastrophic consequences worldwide? Oh that's right I forgot. How could that possibly effect Ben in Thailand? 3)Some of us were anticipating right wing wacko unrest. Does that seem more likely? It is true that the longer it takes to resolve this, the more likely the natives will be restless. Maybe we have a legitimate hope that that possibility has been lessened?

What a profound disappointment for the Pugs! Some of them were predicting picking up 60 seats in the house! Now it looks more like they won't get 20!. Which is terrible! heh heh The only red wave is in Florida, and it's not the Gulf Coast! Now there's a very solid reason for the GOP to kick Trump out. He's obviously a liability. If he didn't get so worked up about those phony late polls, and wasn't facing a possible jail term, He probably wouldn't have run at all. But he's all but declared now, and now the only reason he's running is to raise the stakes to try to keep himself out of jail! It just seems like they have to realize the total spinelessness, fear and lack of courage to stand up to Trump formula that they've been sticking to for 2 years is just going to end up being suicide! I've checked out the coverage on CNN , Fox and the major 3 networks. East coast bias is still alive and well on network and cable. On CNN it seems they're just happy there wasn't a red wave, never mind if the Dems also lose the Senate! What kind of thinking is that? The real state they should have given some coverage in the last couple of hours is Nevada, it's the pivotal state now. But then, the counts stall for one reason or another. I would say CNN is the best at breaking down state to district coverage. Fox has tried but they don't have much experience. For 2 hours, it was pretty obvious Fetterman won, But still they lost focus, who cares about who gets the most votes in Georgia?, it's obvious it's a run off. But if the Dems take Nevada, it doesn't much matter. If they have just Arizona and Nevada, they got 50 without Warnock in December.

Yikes!, has anybody heard this story from Jimmy Kimmel? He and his wife were was having dinner withe Oz's a few years back and they account a story where Trump pushed an elderly lady in the pool at Mar Lago. O'z's wife helped pull her out while Trump was laughing and they both said they were disgusted with Trump! But now they are endorsing each other.

Yes, I found it curious that Ben referred to Cliff as being "binary". As I've on numerous occasions called him "Binary Ben". Ben, like Hedges in the article, sloppily puts the Democrats, the Globalists, the MSM, the NSS and the government "Deep State" in one category so any story involving any one of these groups are interchangeable with each other. And somehow Republicans are in sort of an ineffectual, neutral territory. It's the height of intellectual laziness.

Hmmmm, Chris, What's this "cowboy thing" you keep injecting, but can't explain? I think you may be going into a free fall projection of me as your Dad, but unlike your Dad, I was never a John Wayne fan and found him rather a dullard, until I became a teenager and looked into him a little more and realized I can't stand him! And I know there's somewhat of a worldwide mystique and it's common throughout the planet to romanticize us in the American West, but it's completely optional out here if one wants to be a cowboy or enjoy cowboy movies. They're just old movies!

To Ben, Whew! Hedges, what a depressing diatribe that was! Congenial Ben's contribution to the mornings conversation! Glad you're able to go to sleep on that! I'm sure that ray of despair will elevate Chris's mood, for.....well at least 20 minutes! Such things are what suicide pacts are made of!

You didn't address anything I said. i said a number of these things you mentioned earlier were good. Spare me the economics 101 in your first 2 paragraphs above, and if you retained anything from our previous conversations I've always agreed with you about cutting defense. Rather than quoting me, try reading the criticism I've made that you're quoting. it was this statement. Ben:Taxes on productive enterprises---less so, IMHO. They tend to get passed on to consumers anyway. I like people and organizations who make goods (a corporate shill!). OK, oil companies are making money. Other years it might be the windmill guys. Then dairy farmers. as i showed in the graphs ,it's an exceptional situation, the oil companies are making enormous profits, maybe more than ever in our lifetime! Then I also mentioned the increased margins on food, this is at the expense of the working person you claim to be defending. The windfall tax on oil will not be an expense passed on from the oil companies to the consumers. It's completely the opposite. It's in essence, sharing their windfall profits with the consumers!

Most of your stuff is good Ben, but to you the corporations are the untouchables, and yet you're railing against a government Deep State which in fact is largely controlled by corporations, so of course nothing will ever get done. The oil situation is price gouging at probably an all time level. They've increased margins on food as well. Basic necessities. I've been telling Biden this entire year he should have hit the oil companies with a windfall profits tax, instead he's spending the government reserves. Biden is probably the least corporate President since Jimmy Carter. I don't know why he didn't. But with that, he missed his opportunity to show solidarity to the everyday person. The reason might be again, the razor thin margin in the Senate and Joe Manchin's ties to Big Oil and energy, and probably Senema. and that's because, probably to your glee, not one Republican would vote for a windfall profits tax, even in working class districts. Either you know that, and are happy about it, or if not that should tell you something about who is really working for your "working man". If Manchin has been on board earlier, the everyday person could have benefited more from Biden's infrastructure plan. as it is, it's just a promise in the future. Unfortunately throughout our lives , the quality of the typical voter has lessened, and I expect that to continue.

Cliff, Ben proclaims for the working man. At first, I could never understand the contradictions , Then little by little. I realized he was a corporate shill. He can easily rationalize this. http://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27887.jpeg

But it does illustrate a point. Ben, You don't live in the world as it is. So when you're perpetually disappointed, which is often . You blame it on a conspiracy. And that's what really sucks!

You are right there Chris! Thanks. Michael Bechloss has always been behind the 8 ball in everything! He's smug, when you have to look beyond the surface, and now he's super concerned? I don't know why he always gets the nod as one of the foremost election MSM pundits. No questions at all about the JFKA, but none of them do. I expect the vote dispute to be a lot greater in 2024 , if Trump candidates are elected to key positions now. The biggest area of dispute that I see right now will be if it's close in Pennsylvania. Though there are potential outliers in Republican cowboy wacko states like Arizona. I see control of the Senate could very well be decided in the December run off in Georgia as neither Warnock or Walker is going to get 50% of the vote. Unless the Dems blow it and don't get a good turnout.

People like me Jim? You still haven't answered one question I've posed to you. Speaking just for myself. I'm not trying to polarize anybody. There are a lot of very legitimate, unanswered questions with the Paines. A positive development is that we definitely haven't delved as much into this in all of 7 years I've been here as we have now. For example, a lot of people just assumed that Ruth was the sole source who put LHO in the TSBD up to now. One thing I have noticed is that this plot, and the nature of the relationships hasn't been thought out much in any detail, that anybody who holds it, is willing to commit to. I expected better answers to questions I've had. But there have been no real answers. And that's ok, but we haven't all but sewed this up, on suspicion alone, which at least I've thought was the prevailing attitude for 7 years. We're in a place, where we have very sketchy material and have to build a case, and there's legitimate disagreement about a how good a case it is, and the burden to those who think it's a potentially good case is to pursue leads to make it a better case.

You got a source and exact quote on that? Of course if you have guns or weapons, you're much more likely to be able to act out your hostilities. Re what W. said. I remember at the beginning, I thought for example with Caesar Sayoc mailing those pipe bombs to anti Trump figures. The MSM was almost sort of matter of fact about it. I think they've used too much restraint about it up to now. I think Matt brought up the background of the Highland Park guy, and some social media from citizens who lived in the area who said he was definitely politically motivated. There is definitely a climate of permission, and Trump has not shown any level of condemnation to make it look like it's anything more than the sort of obligatory thing any politician would say.

heh heh Yeah I've been with you on that for over 40 years!They are obviously trying to get more hits and bases. I found this out only a few years ago. Did you know that nearly all amateur, collegiate, and professional leagues worldwide have adopted the designated hitter or some variant,[4] with the notable exception of Nippon Professional Baseball's Central League. Which is a league in Japan. All the Dominican, Latin American leagues use the DH now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_hitter I know it shouldn't matter what everyone else is doing. But that's why we are on such a run losing All Star games. They have 12 and half % more hitters to pick from, and the same amount of pitchers.. Of course you can argue All Star games don't mean anything anymore anyway. But I get your sentiments.

Jeff, I'll have to check Dan Bern out. So next year it's 15 seconds between pitches and 20 if they're runners on base? It seems a bit extreme. i did about 20 regular season timings this year and it came to over 30 seconds average! But when does the clock start? When the batter steps back to the plate? What time constraints does the batter have? What is the penalty for exceeding the limit, a called ball? Ok the first article below covers that in detail. No shift--- that's ok with me, but won't some fielders shift right after the ball is released? No 7 inning doubleheaders-- Of course that's fine with me. Designated hitter in National League-- Good move because of Charley Finley 26 to 28 man roster- of course, they use so many pitchers now. But I had also heard this week on the radio that pitchers would face a 3 batter minimum, also no automatic runner on second in extra innings games. If so, good riddance! i hated that! But I don't see it listed in either of the articles below. https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/09/09/mlb-new-rule-changes-explained-2023-season-pace-of https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/09/09/mlb-new-rule-changes-explained-2023-season-pace-of .

Cliff: In my book you and most everyone on this Forum chronically mid-uses the phrase “deep state” as an exclusively Globalist entity. The Deep State now is so ubiquitous, it could mean almost anything. Actually, if you remember, I've sort of scoffed at the "Deep State" for that reason. I don't use the phrase except in describing other's account of their deep state. There is a need for a phrase. It's almost a requirement here that everybody has a "deep state". It's kind of "Identity politics", right Ben? I understand the 3 distinctions you make. The problem IMO, with the Yankees and the Cowboys thing is that people always take it so literally. I think the common perception of the right wing conspiracy "woke" here is not the least nuanced , and that everybody in all 3 groups is a "globalist" outside of Trump. (whose a globalist) **** Congrats to Dusty and the Stros, though they're not my favorite team. Dusty lives at least in part in Sacramento still! Dusty and I go back a long way. Since we got him from the Dodgers in the 80's. then he became our manager. Then in game 6 in 2002 World Series and the Giants up 3-2 over the Angels., he pulled Russ Ortiz who had a one hitter going with one out in the 7th, leading 5-0, when he then allowed his second hit!! Then reliever Felix Hernandez ends up the inning allowing a 3 run homer, and the Angels come back to tie in the eighth!, then go ahead and take game 6 and then game7! The Giants lose the series! And that was near the beginning of the era when they'd just pull the pitchers, who were doing great, and take their chances with the bullpen. It backfired bad on us! But I noticed the managers were no longer even second guessed about it! Having been a pitcher while growing up. I knew my era was over! The other day Houston won game 4 over Philadelphia, with a combined no hitter! But who gives a sh-t about a "combined no hitter?" Who'll ever remember the names of 3 pitchers who combined in a no hitter? Particularly now with the way they're switching pitchers! There could be a 6 pitcher no hitter now.! Anyway, Sorry, but how often does a major sports season end?

Cliff, in the way of explaining Ben that I see: Ben sided with the rioters aggression against his Capitol probably because he couldn't conceive in his "American Deep State" model they wouldn't just slaughter them all. So he and others here are left with concocting "deep state false flag" conspiracy theories involving the FBI, NSS and the MSM with one overriding purpose, to get Trump, and refusing to look institutionally at the involvement, destruction of evidence and stonewalling of the Secret Service and Trump's 3 hour dangerous indifference to the riots. Not to mention the many pronged organized plans to subvert our Democracy that are ongoing to this day, as well as the testimony among many of his aides that Trump knew all along he lost the election. That and a naive hope from Thailand that these rioters actually had a coherent populist philosophy that would hijack the GOP or be a real third party, though he had no specifics at all how that would happen, and the politicians who now hold his initial position are among the wackiest, most militant and dangerous, which he maybe is coming to realize.

Ad hominem attacks! You're changing the subject. You hijacked the thread to LinnieMaeLand as if it that testimony was highly suspicious, and I gave you the context, as the reason why I think you have nothing there. And I said if you can drum up more suspicion in the future, be my guest, but I'm not holding my breathe that it ultimately will go anywhere. We'll see where it goes. Good luck!

Listening is believing. One thing you learn when you grow up in a castle, and look out the moat everyday at thr hungry peasants out in the village is you don't want to stoke envy among the proletariot. off mic 2009 "I don't run around pretending to be a man of the people, I'm absolutely not a man of the people at all." off mic 2008 Yep, the truth is all pretty much here. Now it's time to pick up the pieces of shattered illusions, but like the nation, that's not coming easy! I love his commentary about Bill O' Reilly phony populism that he eventually has emulated and become. ***** Yeah, you don't pretend to be a man of the people? BS!, as the beginning of this clip shows! Carlson, heir to the Swanson Fortune, is the the Fox News Corporate State mouthpiece for the ultra wealthy. A network, who will never talk of social security and medicaid, because they are the trying to discourage people from having any hope of a safety net in the future. You know his background. Unfortunately critical thinking is so lacking today. I can listen to 10 minutes of any Tucker broadcast and show what he's deliberately avoiding. Besides here's some easy things.Do you know anybody around you named TUCKER? He has a son named, BUCKLEY. Are you guys so politically illiterate, you don't know who he's named after. CIA crypto fascist William BUCKLEY that's who. A lot of people have to ask themselves, "are they really a closet elitist? or just an another every day Joe, swallowing the Kool Aid.

Been seeing a lot of Tucker's pictures here lately. I'll add another one. Tucker Carlson caught in conversation. "I don't run around pretending to be a man of the people, I'm absolutely not a man of the people at all." Yeah, you don't pretend to be a man of the people? BS!, as the beginning of this clip shows! Carlson, heir to the Swanson Fortune, is the the Fox News Corporate State mouthpiece for the ultra wealthy. A network, who will never talk of social security and medicaid, because they are the trying to discourage people from having any hope of a safety net in the future. You know his background. Unfortunately critical thinking is so lacking today. I can listen to 10 minutes of any Tucker broadcast and show what he's deliberately avoiding. Besides here's some easy things.Do you know anybody around you named TUCKER? He has a son named, BUCKLEY. Are you guys so politically illiterate, you don't know who he's named after. CIA crypto fascist William BUCKLEY that's who. A lot of people have to ask themselves, "are they really a closet elitist? or just an another every day Joe, swallowing the Kool Aid.