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Ben:Assange has an encyclopedia of legitimate reasons to loathe, detest and revile the Donks and 'Phants in the US. And Ben doesn't go into it. Does that answer anything or absolve anybody? It's only fueling a case for Assange's extreme bias! What W. was talking about is what I had also heard. Assange approached Donald Trump Jr. for Wiki leaks to ask for a year of Donald Trump's tax returns to dampen the perception that wiki leaks was acting as a tool for Donald Trump. If Jeff has is that Assange internet connectivity was cut off during that period as well, that strikes me as very weak as I'm sure Assange is adept at communicating through any number of non traceable channels as well. Meanwhile, Tucker Carlson is a gift that keeps giving . We now find out that Tuckers son Buckley (another aristocratic twist,father like son, a son with a surname for a first name!) was inside the Capitol on !/6! Hence there is an untold connection in Tucker Carlson's 3 part series, Patriot Purge (which Ben was recommending for us all to see)using his position to propagandize reasons for his son's presence which he has been quiet about for 11 months! Will this in any way, effect the Fox Nation or Ben's perception of Carlson? Probably not! https://www.salon.com/2021/12/11/tucker-carlson-says-son-was-in-us-capitol-building-on-jan-6/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-son-capitol-building-riot-b1973389.html

Bill: I'm a old Zappa fan, been to a few concerts, , but I couldn't find that quote directly anywhere, though it does sound like his writing style..But here are other ones I did find. We often are explaining to Ben the dangers of "false equivalency", but a warning must go out to all those who would use our literary heroes, (just because they have none of their own ) to further their own evil ends! "1993- There's an incredible rise in racist and fascist attitudes here, most of them being helped along by the Republican Party "With a big old lie, and a flag and a pie, and a bomb and bible, most folks are just liable to buy any lie, anyplace, anytime."<br><br>When the lie gets so big, and the pockets so deep, and the facts get forgotten, the Republican trick can be played out again. People please tell me when, we'll be rid of these men." Frank Zappa, circa, 1988<b **** This one starts basically the same as yours, Bill. Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered in balloons and ribbons.” ****** You may have meant this, there is that comparison but wanting to sound as Republican as possible. "I've come to the conclusion that there's only one party in this country and it's divided into two parts: Republicans and Republican wannabes. Republicans stand for evil, corruption, manipulation, greed- everything that Americans think is okay after being conditioned to it during the eighties. Republicans stand for all the values that Americans now hold dear. Plus they have more balloons than God, and for a nation raised on cartoons, that tells you something. Anybody with balloons, they're okay. They don't tell you what kind of crippled people had to blow those suckers up. The Democrats have no agenda, and when they speak on any topic, they want to sound as Republican as possible while still finding a way to retain the pork. ***** Republican is fine, if your a millionaire. Democrats is fair, if all you own is what you wear. Neither of them’s really right, cause neither of them care. ***** We pretend to be a free society, and we pretend to be an adult society, but if you look at the facts, our news is just as contrived and controlled as Pravda. Politics is a branch of the entertainment industry

I agree completely Greg. Forgive me if I segue, but I think Ben wants to see Tucker Carlson as the dashing 21st century JFK. The continual harping on Fox News about either the tyranny of the government "deep state" or the ineffectiveness of the government (figure that one out!) is really the most stark corporate state messaging among the major networks, though masked in a phony populism. The goal is to influence public opinion,toward a long range goal of stripping down the size of government to a time period before we were born and 2)privatize whatever functions of the government that are left. Now he gets sucked in by Marco Rubio? watch Tucker get punked and come undone in this segment with Rutger Bregman The Republican strategy is so obvious it's hard to believe it's worked for so long. "Government doesn't work so. Vote for me!" Then problems inevitably happen and their response is "see told you government doesn't work. Vote for me!" They have a built in excuse for every failure they have. They've literally campaigned for 50 years on the idea that if they get elected they will do nothing and a lot of voters are okay with it because they are convinced government is the problem. When it's so obvious they are the reason government is the problem, because they literally campaign on making government worse. Then a problem happens, a government responds poorly and their voters sit there with a suprised Pikachu face and go, must be the Democrats! Ok, Some guy I read on twitter

I interviewed Noam Chomsky on radio one time. My criticism with Chomsky is that he judges everybody from such an impossibly high moral standard. It's like anybody who does anything out of self interest is to be damned.Historically the people who have shaped the history of the world were largely people born into power or power hungry, and weren't particularly enlightened. JMO Ben I don't know if you're a retiree just trying to stretch out his money in a foreign land. You talk about putting up with monsoonal weather, which doesn't sound that desirable at all to me. I'm surprised to hear you have a wife. Would she actually be living with you? Or maybe you're more well off and doing it out of a yen for adventure which I would think is cool. The medical implications between the 2 American parties don't seem to phase you.You can quabble all you want about the relative percentages of the 2 American parties involvement in the "deep state" But if you lived in the states largely on a fixed income and were getting to the age that you require medical services,You'd be an utter fool fool to be a Republican. It's really that simple..,

I suppose I'm not scooping anybody else about this now. But Trump said if he didn't fire Comey, he wouldn't have been President for 4 years, so he's nailed! He admits to obstructing justice! This Fox host Mark Levin has a show on Sundays on Fox, where he rants on about the constitution as if he's Constitutional lawyer. But mum's the word when Trump in the interview, admits he obstructed justice. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/584470-trump-draws-attention-with-admission-he-fired-comey

Hey, My son sent me Get back. Has anybody seen it? George leaves the band. The band comes to his house to talk about it and it doesn't end well. They come back to the studio the next day, George isn't there, and John and Paul go off into another room and talk about it. But unbeknownst to them there is a mic concealed in the flower pot that records their conversation! I'm not sure why in this excerpt that they switched back to the picture because the entire conversation is written out on screen in the film. It's also cut short for some reason. Near the end,John says to the effect, "Well it's your band Paul", and Paul says back "No you've always been the leader!" heh

Ben:You can keep these two parties. I want something better. Well, I appreciate your idealism. But, you're just American Dreaming again, Ben. You'll never be a citizen anyway .Why waste a thought on it, much less endless posts.? Maybe in another lifetime? Or maybe you just want the best for us? That's very touching! I don't think we can pull any strings though.

Whew! Matt Taibbi certainly isn't much into art. He has one question to ask of Oliver Stone and he asks him about the difference between a drama and a documentary.? He's certainly a fish out of water about the JFKA conspiracy. Anyone here think he might be a CIA agent? Heh heh Oliver does an admirable job when he realizes he's pretty much given free reign to summarize the best evidence of the film off the top of his head. He looks pretty fatigued.. I bet he's been up sometimes in the middle of the night doing interviews about the film across the world.

Jeff it was you who said:"The Maidan protests were not initially about the EU association deal, they reflected a more generalized frustration with a corrupt political culture." I'm not equivocating the earlier protests with overthrow in February. But you're defending Yanukovych and yet you say there was a "general frustration with a corrupt political culture" but who was in charge?, Who was President? Jeff:The other charges directed at Yanukovych all followed the Feb coup, were filed by his political enemies The same could be spun about Trump. It's hard to prosecute a President when he's in office. Ok you're assuming any charge against Yanukovych is just BS. So any charge involving death to protestors falls in that category. But you asserted there's no investigation and yet there was a detailed investigation involving the Urktelelecom case. It obviously involve actions while he was in office and has other government officials involved as well. I would say believe your own eyes and look at the film of his estate and and I can show you much more film of the opulence of his 350 acre estate. Do you have an idea of how poor a country the Ukraine was? The average person made about 300 Euros a month! I know there's a lot of common people there who would disagree with you, but I guess you're privileged enough to tell them the extent that their grievances are justified? You also didn't answer to the fact that it was kind of a puny revolution that you would have thought any President with any sense of conviction could have probably resisted if he had one iota of national support. But of course, he fled.

Jeff, Thanks for filling in some details. Feb 22th was the very day Yanukovych fled in a hurry. This couldn't be said to be a particularly "bloody revolution" as apparently only 62 people died between the beginning of the protests in Nov. 2013 through Feb. 22nd. Though I'm sure intimidation was a factor. Still , he had the power of the state, he chose not to fight it Sort of similar to Marcos and the Shah in that they all chose to leave probably to keep as much of their assets in tact, rather than face trial and prison. Jeff: Yanukovych - whatever one may feel about him - was not ever “convicted” and no finding regarding his personal corruption, or lack thereof, was ever established or even really investigated, I'm not sure that's a good defense Jeff. As you said yourself, "The Maidan protests were not initially about the EU association deal, they reflected a more generalized frustration with a corrupt political culture." Besides he has quite a rap sheet, from Matt's Wiki, including being a thug when he was young and Including murder of protestors! "A warrant for Yanukovych's arrest was issued on 24 February 2014 by the interim government, accusing him of mass murder of protesters.[21] Acting Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov declared that Yanukovych has been placed on Ukraine's most wanted list and that a criminal case on mass killings of civilians has been opened against him.[2" He's certainly been investigated in some detail. regarding corruption, and there's no doubt his people want him. Ukrtelekom case "On 30 September 2014, the General Prosecutor of Ukraine opened a new case against Yanukovych for using 220 million hryvnia of state money to establish his own private communication company based on Ukrtelekom.[256] The prosecutor's office also considered that Yanukovych was helped by the former government officials Mykola Azarov (prime minister), Yuriy Kolobov (finance minister), Anatoliy Markovsky (first deputy minister of finance), Hennadiy Reznikov (director of Derzhspetszviazok), and Dzenyk (Ukrtelekom board of directors).[256]"

Jeff: The coup in Kiev in 2014 was virtually an exact mirror event, with far-right “protesters” storming the legislature, chasing away the constitutionally elected legislators who were voting on an important bill, Exact mirror event Jeff? Wasn't the important bill in essence a decision for Ukraine to ally with Putin and the Russian Federation who Yanukovych had previously accepted aid from and the "far right" (at least you're not using the "F" word, which was commonly used here a while back) were protesting their decision to suspend the signing of an associative agreement with the EU? Though Jeff is right, It was the overthrow of a duly elected government, and the west's response was situational, which has never surprised me, on either side. Though polling did show the Euromaidan had an edge as far as public support for merging with the EU, but it wasn't an impressive majority. Eventually the establishment leader Yanukovych in early 2014 fled the country to Russia and to join his fellow kleptocrat Vladimir Putin after bilking his native country for billions with his own crime syndicate, leaving behind an opulent estate that everyday people finally got a chance to see on his departure below. Any good public will that the pro Russian Yanukovych backed agreement had had eventually was to sour later in 2015 when Putin invaded Crimea. Oliver Stone depicted the "right wing"Maidan as "Fascists", and embraced Yanukovch in exile in Russia and .gave him a big interview although he pilfered his country of billions. Stone's characterization, as I recall, was because the Maidan party had a faction that held up a WW2 historical nationalistic political figure named Bandera, who at one point when Ukrainians were victims to atrocities at the hands of both the Soviets and the Nazis sided with the Nazis against Stalin's collectivist economic rape of Ukraine and did commit some atrocities. But they were only a faction within the greater pro EU movement and later became a minority party in the new government.. However dangerous this splinter group was reputed to be. Obviously Stone's greatest fears never materialized, and 4 years later,there was enough stability for the Ukrainian public to elect a comedian Alexander Zelensky to office with 73% of the vote with what I remember was some astonishing figure in the 80% range turnover in their legislature. Wouldn't we all like something like that? I hope we don't get some spin from Stone that a new Putin invasion was justified, like as I recall he did with Putin's invasion of Crimea.. Sometimes one side or or the other just gets lucky, but as we can see now, we can never presuppose that there can be lasting stability with an unstable country in an unstable region. iting

To that I answered Have you even put in the effort to know who you're Republican heroes are outside of that one Libertarian complete pariah, Massey? Then I pointed out , Ben always seems to side with Libertarians while claiming he's a champion to the "employee middle class" while favoring candidates whose policies marginalize the middle class.. But the only person in government I've ever heard him gush praise on besides Trump was this Congressman Thomas Massey. Just the other day, we had a high school student murdering four of his classmates in Michigan. So it comes off as incredibly horrible timing that Ben's one hero Republican he can name comes up today with this Christmas greeting. This is not unlike many other U.S. superficially researched conclusions or recommendations from Ben. IMO Maybe Ben should get involved in the politics of his own people in the U.K. for a change, and bring his freedom and liberty sermon back home to encourage his citizenry to adapt much more liberal gun policies like they have in the U.S. Judging from posts here from Brits , It looks like it may be an idea whose time has come! Just a thought

As we say in the states. You can buy a cowboy outfit but that doesn't make you a cowboy. Ben. We also use a phrase "walking the walk". If yout say you want a party, "with the interests of the employee-middle class foremost" but then extol candidates whose biggest achievements are to oppress everyday people. (Tax cuts to the wealthy, and Citizen's United, fortifying the corporate state) and whose biggest failures are trying to deny people health care. Your not on the side of "the employee middle class foremost" or at all.

That's not even a hope . it's a complete pipe dream from someone who reads and dreams about the U.S. but what was your experience?. You lived a few years in L.A. back in the 90's'?. Have you even put in the effort to know who you're Republican heroes are outside of that one Libertarian complete pariah, Massey? You're making the assumption. that the Trump disenfranchised have been assimilated into the Republican Party and effect policy. They don't. The most tangible legacy of the Trump presidency can be put in 2 words, Mitch Mc Connell. The tax cuts to the rich are Mc Connels, So is Citizens United, the disenfranchising ruling that corporations have the same rights as people, you've now expressed you're against. You responded by saying."The multi-nationalist-globalists own Washington". In general I might agree with that statement but no, Ben, this was solely the work of of the Trump Mac Connel induced conservative Supreme Court. The vote was 5-4 straight down liberal conservative lines and the conservatives won out 5-4. You're putting blacks hat on the losing heroes.,All the liberal justices in the U.S. are anti corporate and voted against it. Period! Understanding this is vital! Do some research. Are you sure youi're not just a Libertarian posing as a pro working guy? Because these policies are the absolute antithesis of who you're portraying yourself to us as. The Trumpies have no legislative efforts, or any real legacy, because they want nothing as far as a political agenda. Their only requirement of Trump is to vent their frustration to give them an illusion of "owning the libs". Though this is a bonanza for the failing Republican Party, a constituency who contribute votes to the GOP, but require no concrete policies changes from the Republicans , which is great because if they could articulate policy, the Republicans are the least likely to give it to them anyway. So mum's the word! The handful who aren't lying through their teeth are the ones that you expect to "migrate towards a true populist party", but they are the dumbest in the lot! heh heh heh You have some serious research to do. It's correct to assume the Democrats have gone through changes over the years in their make up in policy, one negative such policy is Clinton abandoning the working man for the monied interests, that we've all pointed out. The Republicans with Trump or without are ideologically virtually identical to 20 years ago and haven't really changed, They're globalist, pro business, pro Wall Street, pro Military and you can throw in thee Religious Right. .But now like sheep, they'll say whatever they need to court favor with Trump and not get "primaried". *****

Monday:Ben: Surely, you are aware when it comes to clandestine, subversive resources, and control over M$M narratives, the national-security-state has 10,000 times the power of the Trump crowd? Wednesday: BenAs I say, the Deep State has about 10,000 times the resources of the Trumpers to control M$M narratives and work behind the scenes to create PR stunts, such as a 1/6. Yesterday: Ben: do not trust the Trumpers...or the Deep State. But the Deep State has 10,000 the resources, that the Trumpers did or do. And Now: Ben He also has about 1/10,000th the influence that the globalist security state has to stage events, control US foreign-military policy and manipulate the M$M. Ben I see your "a figures" guy. You've now written this 10,000 figure 4 times over the last 4 days. Are you aware how repetitive your writing is?" Have you ever thought of clicking on your picture and reading the journal of what you wrote the day before? I don't mean to just isolate your statement here Ben, because I do think it typifies what a lot people think here, and there's no doubt who has the funds. I don't mean to be so revolutionary but over and over I find other people backing into statements that I think of as long held mythology but doesn't apply at all to the current situation.. Ben: And control over M$M narratives, the national-security-state has 10,000 times the power of the Trump crowd? 10,000?? You sure it's not 9,9996? Ok, they can effect MSM narratives but that's about it.And so what? Do people really pay much attention to the "msm narrative" anymore? Fewer and fewer people get their news from the msm."Spooky " sells big among a few here, but I'm more into concrete events and whose doing the damage here?. Can the NSS, in 2021 make people gather at Dealey Plaza waiting for JFK or JFK jr to show up? I'll turn it around on you Ben, do you really think the NSS is capable of designing a PSYOP to enslave a mass of people to make them as absolutely debilitatingly wacko as the present Trump constituency? -Does the NSS really have the influence, or the imagination to make millions of people believe that Democrats are a group of pedophiles and baby eaters operating out of a pizzery in New York City? -Could the NSS right now perpetuate a group like Q Anon? Have you taken any stock in the world you're currently living? This is a recurring problem that there are people here that are so focused on fears from things that happened long ago that they swear are still happening now, that they can't see what's currently going on all around them. Certainly no one can accuse you of being a current events sleuth Ben.Whose doing the damage here? -Do you really think the NSS, has the ability to influence numbers of people on near the scale of the right wing groups that are popping up on the Internet almost daily? -Again, Whose doing the damage here?? Does the NSS have the imagination to make a third of the American electorate believe that the 2020 election was a hoax? -Lastly if the NSS wanted to undermine a foreign enemy. Do you think they could actually pull off installing a puppet who eventually when a pandemic came, first propagated that the pandemic was a hoax, discouraged people from undertaking the most basic precautions, ignoring scientists, resulting in the deaths of 100's of 1000s of people, and further destabilizing the country he leads? He ends up contracting it himself, and spreading it to a number of people, and yet his dictatorial grip is still powerful and he controls one of the 2 major American parties? Could the present day NSS have pulled off anything near this? Of course not, show me any thing near approximating this anywhere! Does the NSS really effect millions of common people or do they just glom on to writers who already share their pro defense point of view and offer talking points to use them for articles that are really read by a fewer and fewer and fewer number of people who are regarded as "academics" or the "intelligentsia."! Are they really the "influencers" they were 60 years ago? I know there's more media influence than just that. But how effective is it really? I think most of us can agree that most of the CIA is not pro Trump, so maybe we can agree, they're not behind that movement. But you don't think they would if they could? The truth is they can't. Besides, When you factor everything in, you can argue that in reaction to the perceived manipulation of the msm message , there has emerged a counter force of contrarianism. It ranges from a healthy questioning of norms, to adolescent stupidity, and groups of people who won't believe anything they say, even with stuff that reasonable people don't dispute. I'm more into the present day reality than speculations out of fears.Ben I haven't seen that you have a clue of what's really going on in the states. As you say Ben, " Case Closed."

Good piece Ty, I think we have a number of right leaning foreigners discovering inequities to their sensibilities of the American media for the first time, and we're supposed to field every consideration. So I'm going to respond in kind and then try to give some context to this Waukeska thing. Well, Darrell Brooks is a story I'll address but on a National ,really world scale story. Fox has been running pieces for 2 years equivocating the Epstien story with Clinton. Now in this Ghislaine Maxwell trial a pilot testifies both Clinton and Trump have ridden in Epstien's plane. It is covered in CNN with Clinton's name first but now that Trump is involved, the story was ignored on Fox. https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/r5z1nz/farleft_cnn_puts_clintons_name_in_front_of_trumps/ That's interesting the exchange between W. and Jake. We now have Brits starting to warm up to the idea that a 17 year old has the right to enter a riot with an AR- 15! We'll win you over eventually! Jake:I haven't seen a single comment, not one comment about the Waukesha attack. Oh not one comment Jake? Well I suppose that is a pretty natural response from a Brit as they are quite understandably curious and attracted to the U.S. gun craziness as flies are to sh-t. Is this thread now going to be the foreigner go to thread to get a salacious peak into how some Americans view the diseased American mind.? So Jake, you have a great disappointment that we don't comment on every crazy killing that goes on in the country? Oh weren't you leaving this thread? heh heh heh Oh come on , how could an avowed Brit Conservative possibly turn away! I haven't seen it yet. And that's fine. I don't think the American experience has looked more like an experiment since the 60's. Sorry, we generally aim to please. I guess the best way we can spin it to a Conservative Brit is that here in America, we love our "freedom" and "liberties." Is everything OK now? i thought the Saager segment that Ben submitted was interesting, What I previously heard about the Waukesha assailant was that he had a history of mental illness, drug addiction and crime (as Saager said," loser"--ok) .And he had a bad spat recently with his GF or wife, and actually ran her over with a car! Which Saager omitted! Saager thinks his reporting is a bit more profound than I do. There have been other incidents where it is true. The media makes a decision whether they go with "was he crazy" or "was he a racist". It's not as a easy as it may appear to a foreigner. Just so i won't sound callous. It's happened again today in Michigan with a student shooting classmates. I'm sure in other countries there would and should be massive coverage including everything a mentally ill person might read or post on social media. . But it's a decision made in the U.S. because it's more commonplace and there's only so much time in a broadcast. But isn't there an obsession with MSM? As Saager himself said, anybody can find this information now.

I know the precise moment Jeff fell in love with Putin. He does look kind of like an Inuit, right Jeff? Now even more so!

Oh don't say that Matt, the New York Post is the official mouthpiece of Trump! I do have a little thrill for Dennis though. Fox Queen commentator Tomi Lahren comments before the 2020 election. Is it insane how poorly this aged? heh heh! What a call! Yes of course Trump voters have better things to do! Like waiting for weeks in Dealey Plaza for JFK and JFK Jr. to show up! Dennis, do us all a favor and tell your people to leave Dallas. Just tell them JFK and son couldn't make it! ***** On a lighter note, do you know the lead prosecutor in the Ghislain Maxwell trial is Maureen Comey? James Comey's daughter!

Major Russia Gate suspect Michael Flynn who at one time was a devoted q -anon, is shown here reciting the Q-Anon oath "where we go one, we go all. . https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/michael-flynn-qanon-video/index.html, But now Ben's claims of our utter helplessness before a virtual false flag metaverse created by the NSS "Deep State" takes on a frightening new dimension as Flynn has now called Q anon "nonsense" and says it's a CIA disinformation campaign! How could we have been so naive! https://www.businessinsider.com/flynn-said-he-thinks-qanon-is-disinformation-total-nonsense-2021-11 Which is right up Ben's alley. I'm sure Ben will prove conclusively that the trail will lead directly to the masterminds, the dreaded "Three MS.kateers, Liz Cheney ,Hillary Clinton, and Amy Klobuchar! But if that isn't enough, now Trump ally and member of his legal team, Lin Wood claims the "Stop the Steal" as being yet another Deep State campaign! The implications of this are stunning. It appears Ben's suspicions that the storming of the Capitol was lead by FBI provocateurs was just the namby pamby tip of the iceberg, and literally everybody who was at the Capitol on 1/6 was a "deep state" operative. Some are claiming it the greatest cinematic assemblage since the filming of "The 10 Commandments" and "Ben Hur" combined!! https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-ally-lin-wood-stop-the-steal-deep-state-campaign-2021-11

Well put, Matt, and Paul. I think it was one of the better articles Ben has submitted. But I've always thought Ben's takes are monotonously slanted. As I've said, and supported my argument in another thread. And no one has since made a case against it, that anyone of "the powers that be" or as Jeff put it, "The American Establishment" would have any real cause to fear anything from the JFKAC community, when under no circumstances would anything really change or anyone will be brought to justice. Ben:For my part, I welcome all points of view. I do not think anyone has a monopoly on truth or insights. Well sounds good Ben, but you're always the first to roll out of bed screaming MSM conspiracy, as if in a bad dream.. But of course Ben isn't the only one, it's been going on a long time, but it is ironic that Ben's supposedly a First Amendment advocate but is one of the first people to impugn the motives of anyone who writes an article about a film or others who do the same with a bad review of a song as the work of some greater conspiracy with no real factual basis. Some of it is passed off as sort of collegial fun , as we use to do with Dave Van Pein, which to me was fun, because he was somebody we all had personal experiences with. i don't expect it will stop. But ascribing motives to a huge group of people simply because they disagree with you can degenerate into Fascism.

Jake: I am pretty ' right wing' by English standards but the is more to do with objectivity and truth rather than and political standing , What an arrogant, pretentious statement coming from someone first introducing himself.. Jake establishes himself as the sole pursuer of "objectivity and truth" that transcends all "political standing". Jake: also I feel the shift to the left in general over the last 20 years makes people who still hold fast to the truth more ' right wing by default. Then W. just takes this "shift to the left argument" apart piece by piece, on a 40 year scale talking about the gradual eroding of the middle class which initially started under Reagan. Jake at least then admits he knows next to nothing about policy shifts in the U.S. (though most posters from other countries here often think they do know , largely from projecting issues they feel strongly about from their home country) and is really just another "cultural warrior" with some feelings of being culturally dispossessed. If I can find any truth in what Jake seems to be alluding to. It's that the Democrat messaging is often too policy oriented. Of course, Democrats would say what could be more important? At one point in our lives in America, the Republicans were also issue oriented, and represented sensible government and fiscal restraint. Unfortunately now, largely because of social media, it's become a party where a group of corporate, and just as globalist as the corporate Democrats, political hacks are harnessing the anger of the disenfranchised from policies that they themselves undertook to disenfranchise them of 40 years ago! They represent a constituency that they will talk forever out of both sides of their mouths to hold on to, to stem the defection from their crumbling party. They're an ideal constituency because they are a lot people, apparently like Jake, who will require them to make no substantial policy changes, but just be there, like Trump to air their cultural grievances.

Jim, I've seen the film, and I liked it a lot. I think you should be very proud of writing it.. Much of it, a lot of us have already known. But the point is not to preach to the converted. I think it's a very sequential , factual and logical presentation that should give any reasonable person, whose been born in later generations and didn't get the exposure, to examine maybe for the first time the facts behind the assassination, and question the filters by which they've received their previous information. To those who are a bit older, perhaps born in the 60's and 70's who were brought up on second hand knowledge, and maybe were preoccupied, or too lazy to really go down, what they may have all perceived as a "rabbit hole" of which I suspect there are many. I can't see how this wouldn't give them pause. Still,I learned a number of new things, and i thought it was presented very well, and look forward to the 4 hour version. It did raise a few questions to me, regarding Tunheim's segment about questioning an official about the release of some files where he says the official says something to the effect that " we oppose the release of these files, but I've forgotten why"! This brings up a lot of interesting questions as to how these proceedings are conducted. My first response is to say And did you get the release? Does an official have all the power that he can block the release of documents for reasons he forgot?? What kind of negotiation would that be?f Another thing that was unclear was Robert Kennedy Jr. accounting LBJ coming in to the room to first inform them of the shooting of Oswald. Robert accounts that he said to his family "Why did they shoot him,(Oswald) did he love our family." That requires some explanation. Why would he assume that? What was he told? He's going on 10 from a very affluent family. Anyway, great film!

Jeff, you made this statement. Jeff: It’s fairly obvious the American establishment remains deeply concerned this genie gets out of the bottle, The central question I'm asking everyone is in 2021, Why would anybody fear us? And I make the arguments that at the levels of the personal and familial, at the corporate and at the government NSS, that nothing would change, no one would be brought to justice. So what case is there to be made that anyone would fear us?

Jeff: It’s fairly obvious the American establishment remains deeply concerned this genie gets out of the bottle, That's a very empowering statement Jeff. Because it means you can pull anything out of your a-s and pass it off as fact. heh heh May I count the ways of presumption? 1) whose the American establishment? ( That's a vague all encompassing, all knowing phrase a Canadian would say.) 2) So you actually think that we are so hot on their trail that anybody is worried? 3) So we're on the verge of exposing everyone of them and destroying their lives and /or empires? That is about as naive as I could imagine. You're also making fundamental assumptions that I don't find in evidence.Your first making the assumption that there are people who 4.) know the truth about who killed JFK 5.)are greatly resisting the information getting out. Which is interesting because I've started a thread to ask that question, and nobody as of yet has expressed commitment to the idea that any specific person is deeply concerned that "the genie gets out of the bottle." Of course that begs the question, if no one cares. Why presently, would there be the need of an "Operation Mockingbird to specifically suppress details about the JFKAC conspiracy at all! When there are much more important, immediate things. Since Ben is always making statements implying an imagined ongoing battle with a similarly fearful opponent to himself. I'll address this to him as well, though I've never had a real dialog with him and don't expect one to start now! But I give you credit, Jeff. My answer to that, as I stated earlier is, nobody is telling anybody else what to write. There is absolutely no fear of what's coming out in the JFKAC. They won that battle maybe 30 years and going on 2 generations and a lost memory ago. It's critical to ask yourself, What's the worst that could happen now, 58 years later if this secret were revealed? (Of course we're not even asking how could it be revealed, and what would be revealed.) Most likely, nobody is alive that can be prosecuted. As to the heirs of the perpetrators. Families can issue statements of sorrow and regret. It's being done all the time with the families of mass murderers. Some in the past have called press conferences to implicate their fathers in the JFKA dubiously, and even write a book about it! On a corporate level Jeff. Do you really think there's any more likelihood that any corporation now would be held to any scrutiny? Probably no more likely then Exon, Aramco, and Enbridge (Canadian) and the other oil companies who have committed crimes to humanity and the planet 1000 worse than any present day corporation that may have had some information of the JFKA 58 years ago , but no current executives even aware of it?, Have you given this much thought? Institutionally, Nobody is going to disband any element of the NSS for something 58 years ago, though I'd like it to stimulate a conversation and a stiff defunding, but I don't even think that would happen. So as far as "deeply concerned that this genie gets out of the bottle." I find that a very realistic question to ask is. If we're really the big bad wolf, whose afraid of us? Why would anybody really fear us?

I don't meant to pick on you Jeff, but indulge me. Jeff, your answer was supported with no facts at all, and I assume Ben didn't answer my question because he knows he can't back up any answers with facts. Jeff: there appears to be some orchestration (Hedging?)Yes, well. appearances can be deceiving. You use the word "orchestration". But you're not telling me whose orchestrating? And I suspect you won't. Jeff: Or do you propose that three separate writers got out of bed one recent day and decided to write about the Garrison-Shaw trial, homophobia, and the new Oliver Stone documentary which was at the time (quietly) said to be in production? I'm not proposing anything. You've made the assumption. It would sound more impressive if you said 100 "writers got out of bed". You're being vague on specifics, So no facts, but "its fairly obvious" yet again Jeff? A substantive assertion would be to state who these authors are and their ties to intelligence or whoever may be hiding their involvement in the JFKA. And Ben, couldn't supply any facts either. So it;s, Jeff 0 +Ben 0 Facts total: 0 It's got to be based on more than just your fears and feelings. But I do get it, what's the harm in projecting an enemy whose opposing you at every turn? It's sort of like when we were kids playing army and concocting elaborate schemes as to what our opponents were doing, even if we weren't playing opponents. My answer is first, Don't get me wrong. It's not that people can't air non facts or speculation here. People here can feel free to express their theories which may hold water or not. It's always better when they say it's an idea they're exploring. But unfortunately there's been a lot of fearmongering here by a few people who are utterly convinced, and portray their narrative as facts, but they have no real facts. I've seen in the past where people have accepted these fears in sort of a lockstep response, and it's produced a sort of cult like atmosphere here that in my mind, was becoming rather spooky. JMO ****