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  1. Still raining cats and dogs here on the central California Coast. 5 in the morning. Much more rain expected today and tomorrow. Things are simply saturated everywhere. Forgetting what it's like to see a sunny day!
  2. My point was ... If nothing more comes out to bolster TC's bombshell claim...what is it's value? Heck, the "UFO's are real" bombshell main stream media reported story started a couple years ago with Luis Elizondo as the point man "is still" in the MSM news cycle! Yesterday's new bombshell ( the Pentagon says another 500 reports are truly unidentified ) is another seemingly high level bolstering of it. If nothing more comes out regards the Tucker Carlson JFK story...one must accept the integrity destroying truth reality here. Tucker's frequent overblown bombshell news pronouncements are too often nothing more than puckish ruckus inciting and shameless higher rating agenda gibberish imo. Part of his never ending, obsessive and hyperventilated OMG THE DEMS ARE EVIL "Wag The Dog" style shtick. I long ago got "Tuckered out" on this Dem demonizing shock jock as many more certainly will also if his "heroic" JFK claim peters out.
  3. "Odd Duck" ??? Why use a downplaying term like that. The guy is a pathological xxxx! To a degree of serious mental illness. There is so much we all know about him now to "prove" that he is that mentally ill. To protect the national security integrity of our Congress a dangerous person like Santos should be expelled.
  4. Some of Trump's deposition comments disparaging his rape charge lawsuit filer E. Jean Carroll and the charge itself. Unbelievable in their self-incriminating brashness ... or ignorance. Under oath, Trump hurled insults at woman who alleges rape LARRY NEUMEISTER January 13, 2023, 6:36 PM NEW YORK (AP) — Questioned for a lawsuit, former President Donald Trump angrily hurled insults and threatened to sue the columnist who accused him of raping her in a department store in the 1990s, according to excerpts of his videotaped testimony unsealed by a court on Friday. Portions of his 5 1/2-hour October deposition in a lawsuit filed by columnist E. Jean Carroll were released publicly after a federal judge rejected his lawyers' request that it remained sealed. “She said that I did something to her that never took place. There was no anything. I know nothing about this nut job,” he said, according to the transcript. The excerpts reveal a contentious battle between Trump and Roberta Kaplan, a lawyer for Carroll, who questioned him as Trump called the former longtime Elle magazine columnist the perpetrator of “a complete scam” in which she described the rape as she “was promoting a really crummy book.” “I will sue her after this is over, and that’s the thing I really look forward to doing. And I’ll sue you too,” he told Kaplan. The release of excerpts from the deposition came the same day as Judge Lewis A. Kaplan, unrelated to the lawyer, also refused a request by Trump’s attorneys to toss out two lawsuits by Carroll alleging defamation and rape. An April trial is planned. Trump has repeatedly said the encounter with Carroll in the mid-1990s at an upscale Manhattan department store never happened. In his testimony, Trump repeatedly attacked Carroll's depiction of him as a rapist. Trump said he knew it wasn't “politically correct” to say “she's not my type” when he responded to claims shortly after Carroll's 2019 book was published. The writer alleged she was attacked by Trump in a dressing room after they had a chance meeting in the store and she agreed to help him pick out lingerie for a friend. “But I’ll say it anyway,” he said. “She’s accusing me of rape, a woman that I have no idea who she is. It came out of the blue. She’s accusing me of raping her, the worst thing you can do, the worst charge.” Speaking to her attorney, he added: “And you know it’s not true too. You’re a political operative also. You’re a disgrace. But she’s accusing me and so are you of rape, and it never took place.” At one point in the deposition, Trump called Carroll “sick, mentally sick.” He mischaracterized an interview Carroll had given on CNN, falsely claiming she had talked about enjoying being sexually assaulted. “She actually indicated that she loved it. Okay? She loved it until commercial break,” Trump said. “In fact, I think she said it was sexy, didn’t she? She said it was very sexy to be raped. Didn’t she say that?” Kaplan, Carroll’s attorney, then tried to elicit from Trump that he raped her client. “So, sir, I just want to confirm: It’s your testimony that E. Jean Carroll said that she loved being sexually assaulted by you?” Trump answered: “Well, based on her interview with Anderson Cooper, I believe that’s what took place. And we can define that. ... I think she said that rape was sexy – which it’s not, by the way.” What Carroll has said in her writing, and in the interview with Cooper, is that she doesn’t like to use the word rape because some other people “think rape is sexy.” She said she preferred the term “fight.” At another point in the deposition, Kaplan asked Trump if he had ever touched a woman on her breast or buttocks or any other sexual part without her consent. >>>> "Well, I will tell you no, but you may have some people like your client that lie," he responded. <<<< UNBELIEVABLY INCRIMINATING! Other Trump SEXUALLY AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR quotes from the past: Trump speaking at length about hitting on an unidentified woman. "I did try and xxxx her. She was married," Trump is heard telling Bush. He continues, per the Post recording, "And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, 'I'll show you where they have some nice furniture.'" Easy to believe Trump telling E. Jean Carroll ...I'll show you where they have some nice lingerie...? "You can grab em by the pu$$y ... they let you because you're a celebrity." The Trump DNA on Carroll's clothing she wore that day could prove everything. Kaplan, the Manhattan judge, earlier Friday upheld the lawsuits alleging rape and defamation and seeking unspecified damages by Carroll, saying they could proceed to trial because Trump's challenges were without merit.
  5. Seriously, what do you think we would have allowed regards the Mafia wanting to get back in to re-start their corrupt business interests? I could see them telling our top people...hey, we helped you get rid of Castro...now you owe us.
  6. This sure looks like disclosure to me. Official disclosure in bits and pieces. Wow! Very calculated. Very well planned out with just a certain amount of info at a time. And no planted media stories saying this is all the stuff of UFO conspiracy loons. Pentagon not denying it? First time in my lifetime the intel agencies are purposely not refuting these claims.
  7. Would we have allowed the Mafia to go back in and re-establish their huge money making criminal enterprises like casinos, prostitution, money laundering, etc. Would we have let Pepsico and other multi-national corporations re-establish their slave wage sugar plantations? Who would have been our installed political leader? Another Bautista? Would we let all the monied class that Castro threw out return and reinstate their wealth and positions? Would we have allowed some form of democracy there that bettered the living conditions of the lower income class majority of citizens? For sure, we would initially had a long term military state presence due to continued rebellious actions even if Castro was toppled. Wonder what Hemingway would have thought about it all? Lot to ponder.
  8. Very tough "bullseye" shot when your target is 80 yards away and moving away from you no matter at 11 mph or 3. Shooter must have been very skilled, especially using one of the cheapest rifles around and with a defective scope to boot. If the Dealey Plaza photo is not Joseph Milteer it is pretty damn close imo. Same glasses. Milteer seemed to like open collared, light colored shirts as does the Dealey Plaza man. Same square jaw, ears right. The expression the Dealey Plaza man is shooting toward JFK is one of absolute hate. Which you would expect from Milteer. I too think Milteer's description is quite specific. Chillingly so. A patsy would be picked up in an hour? I always thought the Miami DP were very responsible with sharing this threat with the national intel people. Not sure where I read this however. Talk about suspicious Dealey Plaza men look-a-likes? Have you seen the "Rip Robertson" comparison photos? Tell us those don't match up exactly. How in the world did none of our police agencies never find one person connected to James Earl Ray? The man escapes state prison and is not caught? Ray was a low level crime guy. Uneducated. No money. He ends up being caught in an international airport looking like a businessman and wearing a suit which was not his style, ever. He even resembles D.B. Cooper! Ray had a fake passport? Who made that? Money on him? Ray was incapable of all this on his own. This was much more sophisticated than his MO. Ray was very much a backwoods hillbilly "Thunder Road" moonshine runner type character. Ray was set up to do this crime by someone with big time money and connections. Impossible that not one of our best intel agencies could ever find even one Ray enabler.
  9. Hamilton and Johnson's claims about Jack Ruby and the Dallas PD and even Henry Wade have been backed up with another hundred similar claims. What they share is a given now. Beyond debate. It's always cringing fun to watch Dallas DA Henry Wade meekly "pretend" that he didn't know Jack Ruby well in his late night news conference the evening of 11,24,1963. "I believe the man's name ( referring to Jack Ruby ) is a Jack Rubenstein I believe?" Owner of a local strip club? Come on Wade...you knew Jack Ruby as well as anybody. You had been in his club. Nancy Hamilton saw you there. Wade knew everybody in Dallas. Including Joe Civello and Joe Campisi. Campisi visited Jack Ruby in his jail cell. Law enforcement officers quickly became aware of Joseph Civello. He was convicted of Prohibition violations in 1926 and served forty days in jail. On July 12, 1928, Civello was again arrested on liquor charges. His arrest was part of a series of raids that nabbed a total of twenty-two suspected bootleggers around the city. Civello was arrested on St. Paul Street with two other men, Ernest Calchano and Joe DeCarlo. DeCarlo was an important bootlegger in the Dallas area and had recently begun refusing to send tribute payments to Carlo Piranio. Civello was selected to administer Mafia discipline. Just two days after their arrest together, Civello and DeCarlo met inside the St. Paul Drugstore at the intersection of St. Paul and Bryan Streets. Civello happened to be carrying a loaded shotgun at the time. As the men stood close to each other, the shotgun went off. DeCarlo was shot in the stomach. Rather than flee, Civello remained with the mortally wounded DeCarlo, protesting that his weapon had fired by accident. DeCarlo, with his dying breath, confirmed Civello's story. Civello was arrested and charged with murder. He continued to insist that the killing was accidental. A Dallas grand jury gave considerable weight to DeCarlo's dying statement. Within two days, Civello was released on his own recognizance. The grand jury continued its investigation into DeCarlo's death and decided on July 27 not to indict Civello. Apalachin Meeting[edit] Joseph Civello assumed control in 1956, when Joseph Piranio died at age 78. Civello attended the infamous Apalachin Meeting of Mafia leaders in 1957, a time when he controlled narcotics, gambling, prostitution and night clubs in most of Texas. After the Apalachin Meeting, the FBI began keeping closer tabs on Civello. On January 13, 1960, Civello was indicted for conspiracy and perjury offenses. Judge Irving R. Kaufman sentenced him and nineteen other mob leaders that were at Apalachin to five years in prison. Ten months later, a U.S. Appeals Court overturned the convictions of the twenty men. Prosecutors had proven conspiracy, the court decided, but had not proven that the conspiracy was designed to accomplish some unlawful act. Joseph Ianni[edit] After Civello's death in 1970, the FBI listed the Dallas Family as inactive. It is more likely, however, that longtime Dallas capo Joseph Ianni assumed leadership after Civello's death.[3] Joseph Campisi[edit] After Ianni's death in 1973, Campisi took over and ruled as boss until his death in 1990. Campisi owned a restaurant named Campisi's Egyptian restaurant but it was renamed to just Campisi's restaurant which is still in business to this day. Historical leadership
  10. Groden has been a great contributor to the 60 year long JFK truth seeking effort imo. However, I have always thought that a shot from the picket fence would not work with the JFK head shot. A bullet fired from there would have hit JFK square on his right head side. Would have knocked JFK right into Jackie?
  11. 1:13:49NOW PLAYING Did LBJ Kill JFK? Part 1 - The Lead-up 79K viewsStreamed 11 months ago America's Untold Stories Did Lyndon B. Johnson have John F. Kennedy assassinated? Most political figures are killed by their successors. Only one man ... MARK GROUBERT BIO:Mark Groubert was born in Brooklyn, New York on May 16, 1955. He weighed eleven pounds, eight ounces. His mother told him that the Dodger game was on the radio and Duke Snider hit a solo home run just as he entered the world.Since then Groubert has been a student of the game, as well as, a roofer, a salesman, a deli clerk, a ditch digger, a truck driver, a factory worker, a house painter and a sea scout.After leaving Bard College, he attended the New School For Social Research in New York City and later NYU Film School.In addition, he co-founded Sonora House, Inc a non-profit performing Arts Center currently located in New York City.He was the editor for National Lampoon Magazine from 1985 - 1989 where he created such cult favorites as Mass Murderer Trading Cards, Sexual Jeopardy: The Home Game and The National Lampoon Dirty Joke Book.He created, published and edited MTV To Go Magazine for the MTV Network. It was nominated for Best Editorial in 1990.Groubert produced the original Toyota Comedy Festival with the help of Alan King in New York City.He also produced "Mambo Mouth" starring Obie Award Winner John Leguizamo at the Orpheum Theatre in New York City and received additional credit for the production of "Mambo Mouth" for HBO and Island Pictures.Groubert co-produced "On The Ledge" an avante-garde variety show for HBO and served as Talent Coordinator on "Mo Funny: Black Comedy in America" for the same network.As an investigative journalist, Groubert writes for Penthouse, High Times, The L.A. Weekly, The Village Voice and numerous other national publications.In 2001, he became the Editor at the Weekly World News located in Boca Raton, Florida.He has written over a dozen screenplays, including The Farm, starring Colin Farrell and Al Pacino, is a published poet, performance artist, blues musician, film actor, comedian, and director.In 2013, Groubert hooked up with Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone to write a five-part, 10-hour miniseries on Lee Harvey Oswald.Groubert currently resides in Los Feliz, California where he has finished a miniseries based on the life of Lyndon Baines Johnson. He is now working on a feature film called "RFK Must Die!" about the conspiracy to assassinate Robert Kennedy in 1968.
  12. Absolutely Doug. You are a major American historic event lawyer and your assessment above is uniquely qualified and insightful.
  13. Austin Barbeque restaurant waitress states Ruby, Tippit, Oswald knew each other. DPD officer J.D. Tippit worked at the same restaurant. Haven't read JM's "Into The Nightmare" however, wondering what McBride's take on this waitress was. She was employed at Austin's for 1 1/2 or more years. She knew Tippit well. She says Jack Ruby was always trying to get her to work at the Carousel and one assumes as a stripper. She must have been physically attractive. According to this former waitress her co-worker Austin Restaurant waitress Johnny Maxie Witherspoon was reportedly the woman J.D. Tippit was having an affair with. Witherspoon was married during the affair. Ms. Witherspoon reportedly denied living on 10th street near where J.D. Tippit was murdered. This interview co-worker waitress stated in this interview that Witherspoon did live on 10th street. Who's lying here? What an important witness to call to testify for anyone investigating Tippit's murder. But she never was? Joe McBride's comments on this Austin Barbeque waitress and her claims of seeing Tippit sitting with Ruby and all three together ( Oswald included ) at least once? 51:48NOW PLAYING "Ms. X"—witness who knew that J.D. Tippit, Lee Oswald & Jack Ruby all knew each other
  14. EXACTLY. IT IS DEFINITELY LIKE SEEING AND HEARING ONLY THE PROSECUTION SIDE OF A CASE. Respected journalist Seth Kantor's testimony about meeting and engaging Jack Ruby in conversation at Parkland Hospital soon after JFK was brought there is dismissed as mistaken. Yet at the same time the WC decides that rambling, contradicting and mentally unstable Jack Ruby's vague account of where he was at that time is accepted? Over Seth Kantor? That one crazy conclusion by the WC was so illogical it has to be one of the most exposing ones of their purposeful diversion from the truth.
  15. Been knocked off line 12 times with electrical power losses in the last 10 days due to these never ending "atmospheric river" (mini-hurricanes ) battering the California Coast. We are in the thick of it here in the heavily forested pine tree forest in the hills above Monterey. Next door neighboring towns of Carmel, Pebble Beach and Pacific Grove are being hit just as hard as they are also located in heavy pine tree forests. Not to mention the Big Sur coast line. Spanish Bay golf course had some holes covered in surging ocean waters. One large expensive home on a bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean in the Carmel Highlands area had a 50 foot wave clear the cliff below them and take out a section of their home! I've never seen so many trees come down in my 70 years here. We can't sleep at night due to constant fear of 100 foot pines coming down on our house as there are two close by and right in the 50 MPH gust direction way. Santa Cruz area hit the hardest. Those poor people there are seeing roads closed, washed out, bridges taken out, rivers over flowing, huge ocean surges taking out beach side roads and even the Capitola pier and inundating many of the restaurants next to Capitola Beach. etc. Highway 17 and 9 closed. Even 101 South of San Jose! Many people who commute from Santa Cruz or the Bay area for work can't get back home! Our power just came back on 30 minutes ago after an 18 hour loss. We had to toss $300 of food from our frig just 5 days ago. Now we may have to toss another $150 worth we just purchased 3 days ago. The entire town of exclusive Montecito ( above Santa Barbara ) was evacuated this last evening. Enormous mud slides predicted there. This includes Oprah! Fresno...yes dry hot Fresno ( way inland just below the Sierras and Yosemite) is predicted to get 1 to 2 inches of rain tonight and tomorrow. This would be an "all time" 24 hour rain total for them. So, flooding expected there. Sacramento has been hit hard with flooding as well. Just sharing as this is a big effecting event here for us in California. Global warming? Not sure. Another big rain and gust event just starting here in last 30 minutes as well. Fellow member JB.
  16. Downplaying the Jan.6th 2021 Capital building attack is sickening to me. My wife and I watched in disbelieve the massive crowd surge with their front lines tearing down metal bar barriers and using them as weapons, hitting Capital police with these and sign sticks, knocking them over, kicking them. Then the physical attack on the building. Hundreds smashing windows, crawling in and opening doors to their fellow mobsters. Capital police desperately trying to hold these " Kill Nancy Pelosi" "Hang Mike Pence" screaming intruders back and from actually getting to the members of our Congress. Those police inside as well as the members of Congress were truly fearing for their lives. 3+ hours of life and death fearing hell! The mob smashing into offices, vandalizing them, even defecating inside the halls and offices. Thousands in the crowd outside but still " many hundreds" right next to or inside the Capital building. And that outside crowd was not calling for their fellow maniacs breaching the building to stop. They were still waving their Trump signs. Shouting support or in the least, doing nothing. Have you seen the huge body of film of the huge number violent mob doing all these things? You can't downplay the sheer power of this attack. Deadly weapons are not just guns. They are improvised weapons, metal fencing pipes, toxic sprays, pounding fists and kicking boots, poles, you name it. I believe this event set a dangerous precedent in American Democracy denigration. And I think the recent violent attack by hundreds of extreme right Brazilians against their own Congress was a copycat result of our own. Our own Jan 6th, 2021 Capital building attack set and inspired a new acceptable violent protest precedent which other countries are now replicating. Especially when they see that the big shots behind ours are not being held accountable.
  17. Just an unconscious thing. Something different. Also, I think my CAP key was engaged and I was just too lazy to press it off. But let's be honest here. Diana joining the royal family lifted their celebrity appeal like crazy, world wide.
  18. HERE IS A TRULY SAD AND EVEN OMINOUS REALITY FACT ABOUT AMERICA NOW. AMERICANS FEAR TRUMPLICANS. OF WHICH MAKE UP HALF OF OUR SOCIETY! I MEAN TRULY FEAR! THE INCREDIBLY VIOLENT AND DESTRUCTIVE JANUARY 6TH, 2021 ATTACK BY THOUSANDS OF THEM ON OUR SACRED CAPITAL BUILDING WHILE IT WAS OCCUPIED BY OUR FULL CONGRESS SHOWED US ALL WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY CAPABLE OF. THAT UNBELIEVABLE HIGHEST CRIME ATTACK WAS PRECEDED BY HUNDREDS OF OTHERS ON SMALLER BUT STILL SCARY VIOLENT LEVELS. TRUMP'S FOLLOWERS ARE ALL ABOUT VIOLENCE. IF NOT ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING IN THESE ACTS, ENABLING THEM WITH ENCOURAGING SILENCE APPROVAL AND DOWNPLAYING THEM. ALL ACROSS OUR NATION, POLITICIANS OR ELECTION OFFICIALS WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST TRUMP'S ATTEMPT TO SUBVERT THE 2020 ELECTION WERE PERSONALLY ATTACKED WITH SERIOUS DEATH THREATS AND HARRASSMENTS. KIDNAPPING OF A DEMOCRATIC PARTY STATE GOVERNOR WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THEIR PLANS. DURING THE ELECTION TRUMP FOLLOWERS RAN A DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN BUS OFF THE ROAD. THOUSANDS OF TRUMP FOLLOWERS ROARED THROUGH TOWNS ALL ACROSS AMERICA IN BIG SCARY PICK UP TRUCK CARAVANS WITH TRUMP SIGNS AND LOUD HONKING AND SHOUTING THREATENING CURSE WORDS AT PERCEIVED DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS WATCHING THEM ROLL THROUGH THEIR TOWNS. IT WAS ALL PURE INTIMIDATION. NANCY PELOSI WAS FEARFUL FOR HER LIFE ON JANURARY 6TH, 2021. HER OWN HUSBAND WAS VICIOUSLY ATTACKED BY A TRUMP SENTIMENT NUT CASE...RIGHT IN HIS OWN HOME! HONESTLY, TRUMP'S FOLLOWERS FRIGHTEN THE REST OF US. THIS ASSESSMENT IS NOT EXAGGERATED. DURING THE 2020 ELECTION MY WIFE AND I FEARED PUTTING A BIDEN CAMPAIGN SIGN IN OUR YARD OR HOUSE WINDOW FOR FEAR WE WOULD HAVE SHOTS FIRED AT US. SAME WITH ANYTHING ON OUR CAR. TRUMP PEOPLE NEVER WORRIED ABOUT BIDEN SUPPORTERS DOING THIS KIND OF SCARY STUFF TO THEM THE FEAR FACTOR IS ONLY COMING FROM TRUMP'S FOLLOWERS. IF THIS TRUTH DOESN'T MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS AMERICAN SOCIETY REALITY PICTURE...WHAT WILL?
  19. WHO WOULD YOUR COURT JESTER BE? AND WHERE DOES FERGIE FIGURE IN THIS PLAY? DODI AS AN ARABIAN PRINCE? MORE LIKE INDULGED SPOILED SON OF AN ARABIAN MONEY MERCHANT. HOW ABOUT RANDY ANDY AND HIS YOUNG GIRL PROVIDING PIMPS JEFFERY EPSTEIN AND GHISLANE MAXWELL? SERIOUSLY, I GENERALLY LOVE THE BRITISH AND THEIR MORAL CHARACTER. IF THEY LOVE THEIR MONARCHY, MORE POWER TO THEM. I HAPPEN TO BE BORN OF THE POPULIST ANTI-ROYALTY AMERICAN SPIRIT. JFK AND JACKIE WERE THE CLOSEST TO ROYALTY AFFECTION I EVER FELT. NO DISRESPECT INTENDED BUT AS A LOWER INCOME CLASS KID GROWING UP IN AMERICA AND THE SAME AGE AS CHARLES, HE ALWAYS LOOKED TO ME " EXACTLY" LIKE THE "WHAT ME WORRY?" STUPID LOOK CHARACTER IN MAD MAGAZINE. THAT IMAGE SIMILARITY SO STRONGLY INFLUENCED MY OVER-ALL PERCEPTION OF THE ROYAL FAMILY I JUST COULD NOT TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY. WHEN DIANA SPENCER ENTERED THE ROYAL FAMILY PICTURE HOWEVER, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I LOOKED AT THEM DIFFERENTLY. SHE WAS SO STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL I THOUGHT "HEY NOW...THAT FAMILY WAS JUST IMPROVED OVERNIGHT!" SHE HAD MOVIE STAR LOOKS AND CLASSY UPBRINGING HERSELF. IN FACT, I WAS IN SMITTEN FANTASY LOVE WITH HER MYSELF AS I AM SURE MILLIONS OF OTHER MEN AROUND THE WORLD WERE AS WELL. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT KIND OF SORRY FOR CHARLES. POOR GUY. HE HAD THE BEAUTIFUL YOUNG AND COMPLIANT DIANA IN HIS WORLD FOR A SHORT AND SWEET TIME, YET SHE GREW TO BE TOO MAN LOVING HOT AND INDEPENDENT FOR HIM TO HANDLE. HE WAS LEFT WITH ... WELL, YOU KNOW. THERE IS SOMETHING SAD ABOUT THAT ENTIRE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY. I DO FEEL THAT THEIR FUTURE WILL BE MUCH MORE POPULAR AND ADMIRED HOWEVER WHEN WILLIAM BECOMES KING. WILLIAM AND HIS WIFE KATE HAVE A LOT MORE GOING FOR THEM ... IMO ANYWAYS.
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