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Holland sure comes across as credible and totally sincere in his believing what he saw that day. The man was a 42 year long career railroad man. That should hold some real weight in evaluating his integrity imo. Love his working class good ole boy Texas twang style and manner of speech. "In ma mind ... I knowed what I saw." Reminds me of a Steinbeck ( Grapes Of Wrath ) Oklahoma dust bowl type character.

I've viewed the Nancy Hamilton interview clip many times. What she says about Jack Ruby and his "real" relationship with the Dallas PD and even D.A. Henry Wade are bombshells. Same with Ruby's long time strip band piano player Joseph Johnson whose interview comments regards Ruby knowing half the officers on the DPD force if not more echo Hamilton's exactly. Ruby admittedly stated he often carried large amounts of cash on his person. $2,000 was not uncommon. In today's dollars that amounts to $20,000! Well respected journalist Seth Kantor's book "Who Was Jack Ruby" reveals so much more about the real Ruby and his real world than our Main Stream Media ever wanted to know...or wanted their readers to know. Another JFK truth black hole. Purposely created.

The second I watched Jack Ruby whack Lee Harvey Oswald right inside the Dallas Police Department building basement on live national TV at the age of 12...I instinctively felt there was something totally wrong with the JFK assassination beyond that which the MSM was telling us ( or not telling us.) I became a conspiracy believer right then and there and have never wavered in that belief for the next 60 years!

King Charles stripping his brother Randy Andy of official prince duties ( and medals and ribbons? ) and now banning Andrew from even living in Buckingham Palace sure seems like a de facto admission of Andrew's guilt by the Royal Family in the Jeffery Epstein/Ghislane Maxwell scandal affair. You don't pay off someone like Virginia Giuffre a huge sum of England's royal treasury money ( some say as much as 25 million? ) if her charges were all made up and not true. Boy, ever since Princess Diana that family has taken a royal beating. Their stately standing has been hugely tarnished. I believe when and if Charles abdicates and young William and Kate step in they may bring a fresh new and much more attractive image to the crown.

Regards Stone's 1991 "political thriller" film "JFK" which I just viewed again yesterday. Are we still reading the same "factual deviancies" criticism cr*p that has been expressed with outrage by Stone haters since before the film was even released ... 33 years ago !? Yes, unfortunately. Stone himself has admitted his use of much dramatic license in telling his JFK film "story" so many times it's actually nauseating to still read this same old childish outrage criticism which has been rendered mute and by Stone himself! Stone has said, his goal was to create an alternate reality dramatic story...to "counter-balance" the Warren Commission lone nut finding one regards the assassination of JFK. The film was never created to be a strict fact reporting documentary. Who would pay money to see such a dry docu-film like that? If the viewers of JFK believed more of Stone's film story than the Warren Commission version... that says it all regards how little trust the majority of Americans ( and millions overseas ) have had in the Warren Commission and their final report "lone nut" conclusion regards the truth about the JFK event... for 60 years! An unprecedented dark suspicion minded lack of trust and confidence that had festered inside of them for almost 30 years before Stone's JFK film. The integrity failure of the Warren Commission and those that created and promoted their work and finding is what the JFK film was all about. Stone's film reflected this societal mistrust mind set and was actually a visceral release of their three decades long pent up gut wrenching angst regards feeling and/or sensing something disturbingly wrong about the government's findings about JFK...and the MLK and RFK murders as well...imo anyways. And let me add once again...Stone's JFK film was just as dramatically gripping, intriguing, moving and over-all entertaining yesterday as it was when I first viewed it twice in theaters when it first came out 32 years ago. In so many ways. The opening scenes ( in old newsreel black and white ) leading up to the flash backs of JFK's limo getting closer and closer to Dealey Plaza with ever building military drum roll tension had everyone in the viewing audience on the edge of their seats ... culminating with the loud rifle gun shot "BOOM" and birds flying off the top of the Texas Schoolbook Depository building just SHOOK the audience ( audible gasps and cries ) like I had never seen in an adult audience theater before. The most powerful film beginning I have ever seen. That highest level entertainment staying power film achievement is proof of the film's greatness imo. A real masterpiece. Definitely one of the greatest American films ever made. Every character in the film ( dozens) just holds you in their performances. And is there any other American film with so many of our top award winning actors in the cast? That could have backfired into a dizzying "too much" ensemble jumble, but Stone remarkably made it all work which is an incredible film production achievement in itself imo.

Very surprising to her MacNeil describe JFK's eyes as cold grey. Belying his warm smile. He actually said Kennedy's eyes were "cold and calculating!"

George Santos is major celebrity famous now. I predict he is going to make a fortune as soon as he is out of office whether by choice or forced expulsion. Imagine the endorsement deals. He could offer his image for use by Burger King to promote a new version of their "WHOPPER" burger. One that could include a free small "tooter" horn toy or miniature volleyball with his facial image or pink feather boas...buyer's choice. With 5 cents donated from each purchase going to the "Shoes Lost From Muggings" and "Dogs Needing Surgery" charity foundations? His own reality TV show? Maybe even movie roles? Santos and Rudy "Judy" Guiliani could team up for a wild Drag Queen musical song and dance video! Remember Rudy's "Judy" drag queen perfume commercial appearance years ago with Donald Trump? Honestly, Rudy was quite hot in that imo. How about a million dollar advance ghost written book deal? "The Boy From Brazil" ? Santos will do well in the private commercial venture world...for sure. Moose Momma Sarah Palin did the same after embarrassingly losing her political VP campaign run stint 10 years ago. The Republican party is sure a Beach Boys' "fun, fun, fun" song venue now. Every day with them is a crazy character comedy central beer busting fun beach party! I would love to see a hot bikini wearing, beer can hoisting Marjorie Taylor Green twisting away on a surf board on some warm sand California Beach to the old Surfaris "Wipe Out" song.

What? Really? How?

Good point. The "BANG...BANG BANG" two right on top of each other shot sound time frame sequence could only be explained as an echo, or another shooter? How about a true motorcycle backfire, coincidently occurring just before or after the JFK head shot?

Fascinating interview. Here is just another Dealy Plaza earwitness who described the shot sequence as BANG...BANG BANG. Last two shots very close together.

Yes, same here. Thanks for sharing.

First of all let me express a more positive and defending take on the "WHACK-A-MOLE" game box machines that for years adorned the interiors of the more tacky bars/clubs and children's arcade rooms across the country. I don't see them anymore, however, I think LP may be missing a deeper, truer, more meaningful value to that particular arcade piece. In my mind it was a great stress reliever! Now regards Stone's 1991 "political thriller" film "JFK" which I just viewed again yesterday. Are we still reading the same "factual deviancies" criticism cr*p that has been expressed with outrage by Stone haters from before the film was even released 33 years ago? Yes, unfortunately. Stone himself has admitted his use of much dramatic license in telling his film "story" so many times it's almost nauseating to still read this outrage criticism when these critics have been validated in their main point by Stone himself! Stone has said, his goal was to create an alternate reality dramatic story...to counter-balance the Warren Commission lone nut finding one regards the assassination of JFK. The film was never created to be a strict fact reporting documentary. Who would pay money to see such a dry docu-film like that? If the viewers of JFK believed more of Stone's film story than the Warren Commission version... that says it all regards how little trust the majority of Americans had in our official government conclusion of the truth about the JFK event. A dark suspicion minded lack of trust and confidence that had festered inside of them for almost 30 years before Stone's JFK film. The integrity failure of the Warren Commission and those that created and promoted their work and finding is what the JFK film was all about. Stone's film reflected this society mistrust mind set and was actually a visceral release of their decades of pent up gut wrenching angst regards feeling and/or sensing something disturbingly wrong about the government's findings about JFK...and the MLK and RFK murders as well...imo anyways. And let me add once again...Stone's JFK film was just as gripping, intriguing and entertaining yesterday as it was when I first viewed it twice in theaters when it first came out. In so many ways. That highest level entertainment staying power film achievement is proof of the film's greatness imo. A real masterpiece. Definitely one of the greatest American films ever made. Every character in the film ( dozens) just holds you in their performances. And is there any other American film with so many of our top award winning actors in the cast? That could have backfired into a dizzying "too much" ensemble jumble, but Stone remarkably made it all work which is an incredible film production achievement in itself imo.

Harold Norman is one witness who never described or at least wavered on the "BANG...BANG BANG" shot time frame sequence. Here is what Harold Norman said under oath in his Warren Commission testimony: Mr. BALL. I want to call your attention to one part of the statement and I will ask you if you told him that: "Just after the President passed by, I heard a shot and >>>several seconds later I heard two more shots. <<< I knew that the shots had come from directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to the floor. I could also hear the bolt action of the rifle. I also saw some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that whoever had fired the shots was directly above me." Did you make that statement to the Secret Service man? Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember making a statement that I knew the shots came from directly above us. I didn't make that statement. And >>> I don't remember saying I heard several seconds later <<< I merely told him that I heard three shots because I didn't have any idea what time it was." Why would the Secret Service agent who took Harold Norman's statement the very day of the assassination write down that Norman said..."several seconds later I heard two more shots."? What an off-the-wall thing to write down in a statement by Harold Norman taken by the SS agent. Especially if it wasn't true? Did the agent just come up with the "several seconds later I heard two more shots " Norman quote on his own? If so, why? In reality, such a statement by Norman could have ominous impact in regards to shooting scenario conflicting testimony by so many others that day. The statement taken and written by the SS agent regards Norman's words that very day might back up the many other statements describing the shooting sequence as "BANG...BANG BANG." Who do you believe here. The statement taking SS agent or Harold Norman? Typical Dealey Plaza conflicting testimony conundrum.

Sandy, 90% of senior high school art class students cannot draw as well as your daughter. And, it isn't just the line work...it is her ability to capture her desired emotional expression of powerful fear and danger so effectively metaphorically. A vicious looking, sharp teeth baring, threatening beast! Her ability to show physical muscle tension in the beast and even her choice and use of color ( very high energy/raging angry reddish orange) just adds to the heightened dramatic effect. It's one thing to draw a fairly life like image of a living animal or human. Especially their faces and eyes. It's another to capture strong emotion in their facial expressions. This color drawing of your daughter reveals not only more inner artistic ability and drive to create such work than most, but also reveals how powerful the effect of bullying can be on a child. On the same level as that of a nightmarish monster at their heels in an awful dream...only the dream is real life! One incident of bullying in school can be so traumatizing to the victim they never forget it. If it's bad enough or occurs over a long period, it can damage their inner core sense of well-being and self-esteem to serious post traumatic stress mental and physical health crisis levels for the rest of their lives. When a bully does their thing on another person, especially in front of others, it "humiliates" the target victim. Being pushed, hit, insulted, made fun of and not being able to fight back because the bullies are almost always bigger and stronger and to know others are seeing this as it happens...has to be one of the most damaging things a child can experience and that one human being can do to another, especially in childhood. I bullied other children 2 or three times in my elementary school years. In a horrible way. I regret doing so to this day. To degrees that for the rest of my life (when I remember the incidents and the pain and humiliating hurt look on their faces ) I feel I should pay a karmic price doing so. Hope your daughter expresses herself through creative art as much as she can. Even if it isn't described as talented. We put too much emphasis on that term sometimes I think. Even stick figure drawings and finger painting can be wonderful, meaningful and eye pleasing or thought provoking works of art. Too bad most of our public schools have cut funding for art and music classes and other creative endeavor outlets such as theater for our children.

Author Posted 5 minutes ago Gerry Down: "The TV coverage was amazing, you would never see a suspect paraded around like that again in the US. " The Dallas PD was destroying their case against Oswald by doing this. Here is Oswald telling the world he was not being provided legal assistance? Having to beg on national TV for someone to come forward to provide him with this? DA Wade telling the world that he feels he has his man "beyond a reasonable doubt?" Homicide Captain Will Fritz shouting to the world press... "this case is cinched!' Both claims stated to the press in less than 48 hours of investigation? Talk about prejudicial public opinion and even jury pool tainting! And the final negligence on the part of the DPD. Perhaps the greatest injury causing negligence any major American City police force has ever perpetrated upon an innocent until proven guilty major crime criminal suspect in our history. The negligence of letting into their supposedly highest security precaution basement an armed, unauthorized, Oswald murder minded person...Jack Ruby. Which denied Oswald's fair chance at a trial. We got to see all this unfold right before our very eyes in our own home living rooms. WOW!

You know what was so compelling about the DPD arrest and interrogation of Oswald? It was how the entire nation was able to be personally engaged in seeing Oswald right inside the DPD offices as he was being brought out several times to face the press or at least able to shout to the press as he was aggressively shuffled in and out of rooms and led to others. This was all on live national TV! Probably world-wide as well! That's an amazing, unprecedented, entire society real time personal engagement historical event. With probably half the American TV households tuned in! 50 to 75 million Americans! Right from our living rooms we were privy to seeing Oswald shoved to and fro. As well as seeing him desperately claim he wasn't provided legal assistance and how he asked for someone to come forward to provide this. As well as shouting "because I lived in the Soviet Union" when asked why he was taken in. And "I didn't kill anybody, no sir." And then the ultimate historical shout out to 100 million Americans: " I AM JUST A PATSY!" And then the same with seeing the final Oswald coup de grace murder blow right inside the Dallas Police Department building, right before our eyes less than 48 hours after JFK was murdered !!! Talk about being engaged! Again, by tens of millions of American citizens on live national TV! Through television coverage we were all...right there! We all got to know Oswald in those first 48 hours more than any other highest crime charged criminal suspect in our history.

Thanks for the heads up.

You tell em Gil! Stand your ground!

Curious about the Repub Wag-The-Dog exaggeration of outrage diversion from Trump crime's news regards Hunter Biden selling his artwork for incredibly high sums ( up to $500,000 ) and with the buyer's names kept from public records. I was surprised when seeing some of Biden's art pieces for the first time. I love them! Are they worth the prices paid for them? I don't know. Biden's art is much more original, interesting and inspiring than George W. Bush's imo. Celebrities cash in all the time with their art sales. Many people buy these simply to own something created by these famous persons. When I worked at Doris Day's hotel in Carmel, California 20 years ago, I took a lunch break one day and walked over to a local art gallery ( Zantmans? ) a few blocks away as they were showing pieces by Jane Seymour. And Jane Seymour herself was there to meet and greet interested visitors! I wanted to see her in person. I got in line and it took 20 minutes to reach her. When I did she smiled cautiously at me. A paunchy 53 year old guy dressed in a Jerry Lewis "Bellboy" movie type get up. I should have removed my silly fez style bellboy cap with tassel looking back but I was kind of in a mindless mesmerized trance. I nodded and just gazed at her in awe. She was absolutely stunningly beautiful. Just like her most glamourous Hollywood photo shoots. No need to airbrush this goddess. The gallery staff then immediately bustled me out the entrance - rather aggressively I thought. Seymour's work was attractive to me, like her. Very soft, feminine and serene. Mother and child on a beautiful warm sand and cool blue ocean beach. Impressionist realism imo. Others like that. You want to see some beautiful "dream like" art, you should check out Kim Novak's work. Heck, even I have dabbled in some sketching back in the day. Not DaVinci...but better than the average person imo. In my high school art class as a freshman we had a senior student who was so talented ( even at 17!) that our art teacher just left him alone to do whatever he wanted. We used to crowd around him and just watch him work. His name was John Alvin. Military family brat. John Alvin was the most prolific and possibly famous movie art poster producer ever. Check his work out. Most all of Spielberg's and George Lucas's film posters and other related art was done by Alvin.

The following video interview of Dealey Plaza witness Carolyn Walthers is interesting regards her seeing two men with guns in an upper floor TXSBD window just before JFK was driven underneath. At the 3 minute and 20 second mark of the video, listen to Walther's recollection of the 2nd and 3rd shots. "The second and third shots were right together." Notice the first film footage in the video is being shot looking out from the sniper's perch, 6th floor window down to the exact spot Walthers was standing when she saw the armed men in the window. On the sidewalk of Houston just under the TXSBD building. I am amazed at how close Walthers was to the 6th floor window. Of course she could get a clear view of someone in that window. 4:05NOW PLAYING Watch later Add to queue Witness Carolyn Walthers. 2 Interviews. 953 views2 years ago

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I know this mathematical question point has been looked at and studied a thousand times but I ask it again. Watching the Zapruder film in real time...how many seconds elapsed from the moment JFK was hit in the back ( or front) with the first shot...to the head shot? Counting the seconds myself it seems at least 3 to 4 seconds ( maybe even 5?) as first JFK is jolted upward and then reacts with pulling his balled-up fists to his throat, gasping for air, shooting a glance toward Jackie, Jackie then notices JFK in distress, reaches out and grabs him and begins pulling him closer to her and while continuing to look at him with grave concern shock, a split second later...the head shot hits. All that JFK and Jackie movement did not occur in just a two second time frame. A three to 4 second time frame between the first shot and second is way off any "Bang-Bang" time frame described scenario. Again, clap your hands and count three to 4 seconds before clapping them again. That's a long pause. Longer than "Bang-Bang" or even "Bang - two seconds - Bang." See and count the seconds yourself: 0:32NOW PLAYING Watch later Add to queue Zapruder Frames

Just a shout out of thanks to posters who use the larger bolder print type on the forum now as Gill J. does. I almost have to use a magnifying glass to read the smallest print types here anymore.

The last few posted responses make important valid point sense imo. Why no echo reported by any witnesses regards the first shot? It was supposedly fired from the same location as the last two and almost all the earwitnesses were in their same locations for all 3. Kellerman's Warren Commission testimony regards what he heard sitting in the same car as JFK and Connally could be given a different weight than others imo. He stated shots were "raining in." He even heard the thud of the head shot to JFK? He felt there could easily have been more than three shots fired into the limo. However, the shot sequence "time factor" on his part ( with motorcycles rumbling next to him ) is probably not as clear as others more out in the open imo. Often there are "no" eye or earwitnesses to gun firing/killing crimes. If one or two or three come forward in the beginning stages of an investigation the police consider this a super valuable gift. Even if their accounts vary to some degrees, if these eyewitnesses can prove they were in the right locations at the right time to see the crime, their accounts will still provide much needed facts to help paint at least a partially better picture of what happened. Still photo and filmed video of an actual shooting crime is an even greater investigation gift. On 11,22,1963 we have well over "200" eye and earwitnesses all around Dealey Plaza all focusing their viewing attention on the Presidential limo and JFK and Jackie during the entire 3 shot sequence. 200! All seeing ( or filming ) what they saw right in front of their eyes in the most bright sunbathed light of mid-day! A criminal investigator's eye and earwitness dream...no? Yet, this great number eye and earwitness situation has been turned into more a negative than a positive fact concluding dynamic. All because of the proposed "varying account" argument? The fact that it was proven no human could fire the Carcano faster than 2.6 seconds one shot after another says something very telling here. If the "Bang-Bang" reporting ear witnesses were sat down and shown with the use of a stopwatch and loud hand slaps on a tabletop with 2.6 seconds elapsing between the two, I would think most of them could reasonably discern whether this was the time space they heard between the last two shots. In my common sense opinion anyway. Count off 2.6 seconds between a tabletop or hand clap yourself. Does that seem like a close together "Bang-Bang" to you? Not to me. And the minimum 2.6 second time frame needed to shoot a Carcano, eject a shell and then refire was the absolute shortest time frame only top, top expert marksmen could duplicate. Just watching video of people ( experts ) re-enacting that firing and bolt action reloading and refiring action it looks as if it took great skill and physical coordination effort. The Warren Commission had no problem deciding Oswald could do this as well as the experts. Not to also mention and consider how much that excited physical action would disrupt and throw off the shooter's sight aligning aim and require a whole new realigning aim effort again. And with a cheap, reportedly misaligned telescopic scope? Re-aiming itself would take another second or two in the least wouldn't you think? Making the time gap of the last two shots another one or two seconds more than the 2.6 seconds one? And especially at a 10 inch by 8 inch target at 265 feet distance and moving itself away, down a grade and "sideways" toward Jackie as JFK's upper body was doing right after the first hit shot. 3 moving dynamics all while the shooter is frantically ejecting a shell and reloading and re-aiming? And then to make a perfect bullseye into that small moving target to boot? As the Huey Long character ( Walter Matthau ) tells the Jim Garrison character ( Kevin Costner ) in the film "JFK" during a shared seat plane flight to Washington D.C. ... "that dog don't hunt."

Mind boggling self-incriminating comments and assertions from Trump. He frames and presents his election law violating words and actions in such an opposite-of-reality and legal logic way...it is clearly delusional. Yet, he gets away with law violating acts hundreds of times and has never been held accountable for any of them his entire life! Not sure which is more disturbing - Trump doing this crazy delusional law violating stuff, or his never being held accountable for doing so. It makes our entire legal system seem corrupted in favor of the rich as well.