Bill Brown

I doubt Johnny Cairns meant Leavelle when he said "Captain Will Fritz". During Callaway's time up on the witness stand in the 1986 London trial, Callaway says "Chief of detectives Will Fritz" was with him during the lineup. Callaway misspoke and, in my opinion, Johnny Cairns watched the 1986 trial and is not educated on this matter enough to know any different.

Greg, Clemons stated that after their encounter, one of the two men went straight down Tenth Street. She is not speaking about the encounter between the killer and Callaway, which occurred damn near all the way down Patton by Jefferson.

Belin showed Benavides CE-162 (Oswald's light-colored jacket) but mistakenly called it CE-163. Why would Belin show a Tippit witness the jacket later found inside the Depository (CE-163) instead of the jacket found a little over a block from the Tippit shooting scene allegedly worn by the fleeing gunman (CE-162)? Isn't it more logical to you that Belin misspoke, showing Benavides CE-162 and accidentally calling it CE-163?

Hi Greg. I don't think Clemons got to the corner in time to see the brief exchange between the killer and Callaway. The exchange between these two men took place about two-thirds of the way down Patton toward Jefferson. One, I'm not sure Clemons got to the corner in time to be looking that far down Patton to see the exchange. Two, Clemons doesn't describe the exchange as happening that far from the shooting scene.

Pot meet kettle.

Right. And....?

On film.... Reporter: "Were you in the building at the time?" Oswald: "Naturally, if I work in that building, yes sir." Oswald admits, on film, that he was inside the building at the time of the shooting. Therefore, Oswald was not out by the front steps. If Oswald was not out by the front steps, then he is not prayer man. If Oswald is not prayer man, then who cares who prayer man was.

So because you're unfamiliar with the evidence means I'm spreading misinformation?

Then go substantiate it. I've already given you the information. Aren't you the guy who, a couple pages back, asked what the going rate was on guarantees, while being totally unaware of the evidence you were commenting on? I have no desire to help you along.

Good grief. Apparently you (and Jack Myers) are completely unaware that Tatum's account indeed has him ten to fifteen feet from Oswald at one point. Tatum is saying that he was that close to Oswald as he drove right past Tippit's stopped patrol car as Tippit and Oswald were talking. Tatum even said Oswald had his hands in his jacket pockets at this time. Tatum is NOT saying that he was ten to fifteen feet from Oswald after the shooting. Jim, you really should stop commenting on the Tippit case until you have become a little more versed on the subject.

Brownlow is a proven li@r and none of his claims are substantiated, including this one above.

Before he was shot in the head, Reynolds told the FBI that he was of the opinion that the man he saw running with a gun in his hands was Lee Oswald.

Why do you make the leap from Markham saying "he tried to talk to me" to Markham saying that she talked to him for 20 minutes like you said a couple days ago? Please explain.

I didn't say that.

On this point, you're not thinking logically. By the time Oswald snuck into the theater, about an hour and ten minutes had passed since the assassination. He had no idea whether or not his face had been plastered all over the television by this point. Why risk the ticket seller (Postal) recognizing him? In addition, Oswald could also be thinking that maybe his face has not yet been plastered all over the news but... why pay for a ticket and risk the ticket seller (Postal) seeing your face a half hour later on the news and recognizing you as the man who had just bought a ticket a half hour ago? It was just easier and safer for him to sneak in, and if not for Brewer, it would have worked, i.e. he successfully snuck past Postal.

Oh Lord, Pat. Get thee to a library and read Lattimer's Kennedy And Lincoln: Medical & Ballistic Comparisons Of Their Assassinations. In addition, If you'll have a look at the autopsy report, you'll see that the back wound and the throat wound are connected. From Ken Rahn's website: Back/neck wound (page 3) "Situated on the upper right posterior thorax just above the upper border of the scapula there is a 7 x 4 millimeter oval wound. This wound is measured to be 14 cm. from the tip of the right acromion process and 14 cm. below the tip of the right mastoid process." Throat wound (page 3) "Situated in the low anterior neck at approximately the level of the third and fourth tracheal rings is a 6.5 cm. long transverse wound with widely gaping irregular edges. (The depth and character of these wounds will be further described below.)" Back/neck wound and throat wound again (pages 4–5) "2. The second wound presumably of entry is that described above in the upper right posterior thorax. Beneath the skin there is ecchymosis [escape of blood into the tissues from ruptured blood vessels] of subcutaneous tissue and musculature. The missile path through the fascia and musculature cannot be easily probed. The wound presumably of exit was that described by Dr. Malcolm Perry of Dallas in the low anterior cervical region. When observed by Dr. Perry the wound measured "a few millimeters in diameter", however it was extended as a tracheostomy incision and thus its character is distorted at the time of autopsy. However, there is considerable ecchymosis of the strap muscles of the right side of the neck and of the fascia about the trachea adjacent to the line of the tracheostomy wound. The third point of reference in connecting these two wounds is the apex (supra-clavicular portion) of the right pleural cavity. In this region there is contusion of the parietal pleura and of the extreme apical portion of the right upper lobe of the lung. In both instances the diameter of contusion and ecchymosis at the point of maximal involvement measures 5 cm. Both the visceral and parietal pleura are intact overlying these areas of trauma." Thoracic cavity (page 5) "The bony cage is unremarkable. The thoracic organs are in their normal positions and relationships and there is no increase in free pleural fluid. The above described area of contusion in the apical portion of the right pleural cavity is noted." Lungs (page 5) "The lungs are of essentially similar appearance the right weighing 320 Gm., the left 290 Gm. The lungs are well aerated with smooth glistening pleural surfaces and gray-pink color. A 5 cm. diameter area of purplish red discoloration and increased firmness to palpation is situated in the apical portion of the right upper lobe. This corresponds to the similar area described in the overlying parietal pleura. Incision in this region reveals recent hemorrhage into pulmonary parenchyma." Summary (page 6; third paragraph) "The other missile entered the right superior posterior thorax above the scapula and traversed the soft tissues of the supra-scapular and the supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck. This missile produced contusions of the right apical parietal pleura and of the apical portion of the right upper lobe of the lung. The missile contused the strap muscles of the right side of the neck, damaged the trachea and made its exit through the anterior surface of the neck. As far as can be ascertained this missile struck no bony structure in its path through the body."

No. Just stop it. I was asking for a cite (from Markham) where she said she talked to Tippit for twenty minutes. I did not ask for Anthony Summers' irresponsible misinterpretation of what Markham said. What Markham said was that when she went over to Tippit, he tried to say something. This is a far cry from saying that she said she talked to Tippit for 20 minutes. He was most likely having agonal respirations. This idea is corroborated by Frank Cimino, who stated that Tippit moved slightly and groaned. It is not my concern if some of you do not know the evidence and therefore rely on something written in a book by a conspiracy author who is being irresponsible with the testimony of a witness.

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No. Just no. Markham never said that and I guarantee that you can't cite for it.

I can't be anymore clear than I was in my last post (above). Jimmy Burt tells Chapman, in 1968, that he and Smith ran from the house at 505 E. Tenth down to the shooting scene one block west. Burt tells Chapman that moments before the shooting, he noticed the man walking west on Tenth Street as the man was directly across the street from the yard they were in at 505 E. Tenth Street. Burt also tells Chapman that they stood there looking west along the alley once they had made their way south on Patton a half block. Burt also tells Chapman that, from the front yard of 505 E. Tenth Street, he said "Billy, that guy just shot that policeman", something he couldn't have known in your scenario. Bill Smith also says they were in the front yard of 505 E. Tenth Street. Bill Smith said he heard the shots, saw the officer fall and the killer run., something he couldn't have seen in your scenario.

Greg, Are you aware that Jimmy Burt told the FBI that he and Bill Smith were sitting inside his brother's house at Denver & 9th when they heard the shots? This has them not only one block east of the shooting scene, but also another block to the north, i.e. two blocks away from the shooting. Burt also told the FBI that from the shooting location, he ran over to the corner of Tenth & Patton and looked south on Patton in time to see the killer disappear into the alley (the same alley located halfway down the block that he would later see the killer in, except this time a full block down, to the west). According to the FBI interview, Burt left his car and ran to the corner of Tenth & Patton, i.e. nothing about driving off in the car with Bill Smith. Bill Smith told the Warren Commission that he and Burt were in the front yard of the house at 505 E. 10th Street and that he saw the officer fall and that he was unsure whether or not his buddy Burt saw the same thing. Bill Smith says nothing about being in a house a block to the north (and effectively two blocks from the shooting) like Burt does. Burt told Chapman in the 1968 interview that after hearing the shots, he looked at Smith and said words to the effect of "Billy, that guy just shot that policeman". How could Burt have known a policeman had been shot just seconds after the shooting if he and Smith were at Ninth & Denver? He tells Chapman in 1968 that they were at Tenth and Denver. The stories of Burt and Smith directly contradict each other. I'm inclined to believe Smith's over Burt's, that they were in the front yard of the house one block east of the shooting, they noticed the patrol car pull up alongside a man who was walking on the sidewalk, they heard the shots and Smith saw the officer fall and the gunman run away. In 1968, Burt himself tells Al Chapman that he was with Bill Smith out in the front yard of the house on Tenth Street and saw the man who would eventually kill the officer walking west on Tenth Street across the street from the front yard they were in. Burt contradicts his own earlier account, the one you are relying on. Burt goes on to tell Chapman that he and Smith then "ran down there" to the location of the shooting. It's my opinion that they went to the scene on foot from the front yard of the house at 505 E. Tenth and that you have been hoodwinked by the fabrications of Jimmy Burt, who for whatever reason, wasn't honest with the FBI during his December '63 interview with them. By 1968, Burt is more in line with what Smith testified to.

I appreciate your passion for the Tippit case, Greg. But I feel your thoughts, for whatever reason, are misguided. For my own reference, Greg, how long do you think the shooting lasted? I believe the time between the first shot and the last shot to be maybe 4 seconds total. It seems you believe the sequence took much longer.

Jimmy Burt and Bill Smith were on foot, making their way down Patton towards Jefferson (in search of the killer; all they knew is that the killer turned south onto Patton from Tenth before losing sight of him). In a 1968 interview, Burt told Al Chapman that they were making their way down Patton with the intention of going all the way to Jefferson. Once they got halfway down Patton, they looked west along the alley and saw the killer in the alley a block down (putting the killer right behind the back lot of the Texaco station where the jacket wad found, by the way). Burt literally said "we stood there" (looking west along the alley) before deciding to stop chasing the killer (he had a gun, they didn't) and make their way back up to the shooting scene.

"It must be that Frank Wright got out to his front yard about ca. 60 seconds after the time of shot #2..." Must be... only if one is willing to ignore what he did say and believe something that he never did say. "One thing that isn't fabricated about Frank and Mrs. Wright though is that Mrs. Wright did make a phone call, and that phone call is what got patched through by police to the Dudley Funeral Home to dispatch an ambulance, I believe with the Wrights' address information getting mixed up in the written and police radio data causing momentary confusion." Correct... And she said she phoned the police "immediately" (her word, according to George and Patricia Nash); not after having these fictional discussions and all this rigmarole necessary for your theory to be true. "If Mrs. Wright's phone call was for real, isn't it a bit arbitrary to say her husband, Frank, just imagined out of whole cloth the whole thing he said he saw?" I haven't said here that Frank Wright imagined the whole thing he said he saw. On the other hand, YOU are indeed saying things happened, re: Frank Wright, that the man himself never said.