Why Would A Plotter Do This?

[David Von Pein]

~~ WHY WOULD A PLOTTER DO THIS? ~~

A CONSPIRACY THEORIST

NAMED RALPH CINQUE SAID:

New collage of George HW Bush; it's him. View it and weep. It can't not be him. This collage [shown below] really does serve as a litmus test: If you can't admit that that is George HW Bush on both sides of the collage, you are a xxxx; you are a Kennedy-killer; and you [are] a pawn of the fascist state and doing its bidding.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yeah, right, Ralph.

And we're supposed to believe that George H.W. Bush was involved in some way in JFK's murder (as you undoubtedly believe, or else you wouldn't have started this discussion in the first place), and then Bush just decided to hang around the entrance of the Book Depository for a while so that he could be photographed by the many cameramen who flooded the area immediately after the assassination -- an assassination that Bush himself was a part of.

Brilliant guy, that Mr. Bush.

This is similar in nature to the theory that has a sniper just hanging around the Sniper's Nest on the sixth floor of the Book Depository for five or ten minutes after the shooting in order to make sure he too had a good chance of being seen and/or photographed by the various witnesses on the street below.

And this topic also brings to mind the preposterous and suicidal theory that a lot of conspiracists seem to place their complete faith in -- the theory that has a group of unnamed assassins and behind-the-scenes conspirators attempting to frame (in advance!) a man named Lee Harvey Oswald for the murder of John F. Kennedy, even though those same assassins and conspirators allegedly shot the President from both the front and the rear.

How anyone can even begin to believe in such a prearranged One Patsy / Multiple Gunmen assassination scenario is beyond me. (Let alone believing that such a plan actually succeeded in Dallas on 11/22/63.)

When evaluating things like this, why is it that no conspiracy theorists ever bother to ask themselves this logical question:

"WHY WOULD A PLOTTER DO THAT?"

I wonder if Ralph Cinque ever even asked himself that question before rushing to his computer to post this message on an Internet newsgroup on July 3, 2013? I doubt that he did.

Moreover, why would George HW Bush even be in Dealey Plaza at all on November 22, 1963?

Since no conspiracy theorist I've ever encountered believes that Bush himself was firing a gun at President Kennedy, then what possible pressing and urgent need would there have been for George Bush to have been anywhere near Dealey Plaza on November 22nd--even if he had been part of some conspiracy plot to kill the President?

To take this logical point one step further -- if George H.W. Bush had really had a hand in planning the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963, then the very last place on this Earth he would want to be when the murder occurred is Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas.

That's food for conspiracy thought. Don't you think?

BTW/FYI -- The person on the right-hand side in the photograph shown above is definitely not George H.W. Bush, as this much clearer copy of the photo, provided by researcher Robin Unger, clearly illustrates (click to enlarge the picture):

Below is a composite that I put together, with the real George H.W. Bush on the left, with the center picture being the clear version of the man that a lot of conspiracy crackpots are absolutely positive is Mr. Bush, and the fuzzy/crappy version of that same man on the right:

And here's another direct comparison below, proving that the conspiracy theorists who continue to say that the man on the left is George Bush don't have a leg (or a bush) to stand on:

David Von Pein

July 4, 2013

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ADDENDUM:

JOHN McADAMS SAID:

It's become a standard factoid that George H.W. Bush "could not remember where he was when he heard that John Kennedy had been shot." .... This needs to go in the "silly factoid" file.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

One of the many new books coming out this year [2013] on the JFK assassination is one by Jodie Elliott Hansen called "November 22, 1963: Ordinary And Extraordinary People Recall Their Reactions When They Heard The News".

And on the back cover of that book is a signed letter written to Mrs. Hansen by George H.W. Bush in August of 1979. In that letter, Bush recalls quite well where he was when JFK was shot. Quoting Bush from the letter: "I was in Tyler, Texas on November 22, 1963 to give a political speech."

Here's a picture of the letter as it appears on the back cover of Jodie Hansen's 2013 book:

David Von Pein

October 23, 2013

Edited June 5, 2015 by David Von Pein

[David Von Pein]

Edited June 5, 2015 by David Von Pein

[Brian Schmidt]

Your post is too long to read, given its content. I think George Bush being in DP is stupid; you think George Bush being in DP is stupid. No serious researcher believes it. Why post it?

Edited June 5, 2015 by Brian Schmidt

[David Von Pein]

Your post is too long to read, given its content. I think George Bush being in DP is stupid; you think George Bush being in DP is stupid. No serious researcher believes it. Why post it?

Lots and lots of CTers believe GHW Bush was involved in Kennedy's death. And I'd be willing to bet my next CIA Disinfo check (worth tens of thousands of dollars, btw) that there are several members of this very forum who believe that Bush was involved.

But I could just as easily utilize Brian Schmidt's own words to get across my feelings about some other really dumb conspiracy theories....

I think John Armstrong's "Two Oswalds" theory is stupid. No serious researcher believes it. Why post it?

or...

I think the "Fake Backyard Photos" theory is stupid. No serious researcher believes it. Why post it?

So, it just depends on what your point-of-view on these topics happens to be. One man's tommyrot is another man's Rosetta Stone to the truth about how JFK died.

Edited June 5, 2015 by David Von Pein

[Brian Schmidt]

I'm with you on the two Oswalds and the backyard photos, David.

There are some strange coincidences related to our 41st president that could point to his possible involvement, though. It's actually pretty creepy if you walk through the implications.

[Kenneth Drew]

Gee, this many years, and neither of you have learned a damned thing.  The old 'fool some of the people all the time' sure applies.  It doesn't even help for you to actually see a picture of it.  Well, he's paid for it now.  

[James DiEugenio]

Ken is back?  Welcome.

[Joseph McBride]

David, you and your LN confreres often stoop

to ad hominem arguments and invective.

Those are counterproductive, since they

reveal a paucity of genuine arguments. I am

sure it is too late to cure you of such habits.

[Denny Zartman]

48 minutes ago, Miles Massicotte said:

Why would a Lone Nut who wanted to be a "big man" and killed the president for either political or egotistical motives not immediately say so when given a national pulpit?

I've planned a long post on just this point. It makes zero sense to me, especially when one considers that the Warren Commission consulted with psychiatrists and psychologists and ultimately decided not to make the question of Oswald's sanity an issue.

It's just a common sense question that could be asked of many issues surrounding the assassination.

[Allen Lowe]

On 6/4/2015 at 11:06 PM, David Von Pein said:

 

Lots and lots of CTers believe GHW Bush was involved in Kennedy's death. And I'd be willing to bet my next CIA Disinfo check (worth tens of thousands of dollars, btw) that there are several members of this very forum who believe that Bush was involved.

But I could just as easily utilize Brian Schmidt's own words to get across my feelings about some other really dumb conspiracy theories....

I think John Armstrong's "Two Oswalds" theory is stupid. No serious researcher believes it. Why post it?

or...

I think the "Fake Backyard Photos" theory is stupid. No serious researcher believes it. Why post it?

So, it just depends on what your point-of-view on these topics happens to be. One man's tommyrot is another man's Rosetta Stone to the truth about how JFK died.

So where were you that day, David? There’s somebody else in that photo who looks very much like you, and he’s standing next to someone who looks surprisingly like Steve Roe. And if I’m reading lips correctly, they are talking about David Ferrie. 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Allen Lowe

[Joe Bauer]

Now, there is a picture of a fellow standing on the sidewalk in DP who looks more like William "Rip" Robertson than this photo looking like George Bush in DP ... imo.

I'll see if I can find and post it.

Judge for yourself.

 

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Joe Bauer

[Charles Blackmon]

13 hours ago, Miles Massicotte said:

 

Why would a Lone Nut who wanted to be a "big man" and killed the president for either political or egotistical motives not immediately say so when given a national pulpit?

 

According to SOME on here LHO was going to wait for the trial to brag.

Funny stuff...