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Paul:

I wonder what can lead such an educated person as you are to ignoring testimonies of several witnesses who indeed saw Oswald on the first floor before the shooting.

Besides Cpt. Fritz's statements, we have the testimony of Mrs. Carolyn Arnold who saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the front of the first floor at 12.15 or 12.25. Indirectly, Jarman and Norman confirmed Oswald's allegation that he saw these two gentlemen passing the first floor lunchroom. How could he know about their presence if not being in the first floor lunchroom? William Shelley saw Oswald near the phone around the noon. And Occhus Campbell saw Oswald in the small storage room next to the front stairs just two minutes after the final shot. 

The only contradicting testimony is the one by Mrs. Reid claiming she saw Oswald leaving the second floor lunchroom with a full bottle of Coke. However, she also claimed that Oswald has worn a white T-shirt which he had not. If you read her Warren Commission testimony, you see that she was couched extensively. The poor lady had to run three times to the building to get the desired timing. If anyone lied to the Warren Commission and the FBI, it was this lady rather than those several witnesses listed above. Also, you may be aware that Mrs. Reid's arrival to the second floor has not been confirmed by Mrs. Geneva Hine. 

 

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12 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

Huh?

How about that did not happen at all.........

Sorry Bart - I know you need certain things to have not happened to support your theory where I choose to stick to the witnesses.

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There was an employee of the TSBD who was in the vestibule on the first floor at the time of the shooting and there was no Oswald in there with him. I believe that Baker and TRuly told the truth about seeing Oswald on the 2nd floor.

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Bill:

could you please be more specific as to the witness lurking in the first floor vestibule during the shooting - who was this person and can we read his/her testimony. I have just posted notes on the well-known testimonies of people who in contrast to your witness saw Lee Harvey Oswald on the first floor prior to the shooting. Thus, it is not a sort of wishful thinking of those doubting the second floor encounter, rather it is a view supported by the witness testimonies.

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3 hours ago, Bill Miller said:

Sorry Bart - I know you need certain things to have not happened to support your theory where I choose to stick to the witnesses.

I suggest, once again to read my essay where the abundance of evidence (!) points exactly to what I have been saying.

That simplistic belief of yours will be shattered like the one about Shelley and Lovelady walking down Elm.......

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3 hours ago, Bill Miller said:

There was an employee of the TSBD who was in the vestibule on the first floor at the time of the shooting and there was no Oswald in there with him. I believe that Baker and TRuly told the truth about seeing Oswald on the 2nd floor.

Your beliefs are of no importance, nor are Sandy's....or anyone else.

This whole thing starts to resemble a bunch of Christians arguing about titbits of the scriptures....it is about time you let the evidence do the talking.

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2 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

Bill:

could you please be more specific as to the witness lurking in the first floor vestibule during the shooting - who was this person and can we read his/her testimony. I have just posted notes on the well-known testimonies of people who in contrast to your witness saw Lee Harvey Oswald on the first floor prior to the shooting. Thus, it is not a sort of wishful thinking of those doubting the second floor encounter, rather it is a view supported by the witness testimonies.

Roy Edward Lewis was inside the vestibule.

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10 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

Bill,

This is logical.  Baker and Truly had no reason to lie that I can see.

Now, Andrej asks what stair LHO took to the 2nd floor, yet he assumes that LHO was on the 1st floor at some point.

Yet there is no evidence that LHO was ever on the 1st floor, if we discount the fabrication of Fritz & Co.

So, my answer is that LHO simply took the elevator from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor and had his lunch quietly and alone.

At the end of his lunch, LHO bought a Coke.

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--Paul Trejo

Ha ha ha ha ha, this is too stupid not to ignore.

Fritz reports, Bookhout/Hosty report, Kelley's report what more do you need.

Speculate on and on.....and nothing to back this up with.

How do you do this Trejo? You stick your thumb in your mouth and suck it dry for a nice comforting story to come out?

If this gets me banned then so be it, but a person can only endure this much. Then you can see my rants at ROKC.

We are supposed to educate ourselves right?

How come Trejo refuses to do so?

 

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On 2/23/2017 at 3:11 PM, Bill Miller said:

Huh???  How about Oswald being seen walking towards the inner door the 2nd floor lunchroom after having just bought a coke.

Huh????

How about some evidence for that assertion?

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This is a legit comment  and any replies  are appreciated.

What I've  never understood  is if Oswald  had done the shooting  all by himself  don't  you  think  he'd  have been glued to the window  not really  knowing  when the parade was going  to  go  by?

And yet we're  expected to  believe  that a man hell-bent on killing  Kennedy  was seen on the first  floor, on the second  floor, and possibly  "out front with Shelley...?"

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3 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

This is a legit comment  and any replies  are appreciated.

What I've  never understood  is if Oswald  had done the shooting  all by himself  don't  you  think  he'd  have been glued to the window  not really  knowing  when the parade was going  to  go  by?

And yet we're  expected to  believe  that a man hell-bent on killing  Kennedy  was seen on the first  floor, on the second  floor, and possibly  "out front with Shelley...?"

Michael,

Good point!   What is interesting is that starting around 12:15PM - there were several people seen on the 6th floor. And immediately afterwards when Dillard took a photo of the entire 6th floor .... he captured the image of a man looking downward into the street below from the west-most 6th floor window. There were witnesses who saw these people on the 6th floor several minutes after the shots. If this is accurate, then if Oswald did the shooting, then he had time to break down the gun and leave the building with it. But yet we are told that Oswald left his rifle on the 6th floor to be found so he could deny having anything to do with the shooting - that makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever.

Then there is some evidence that Davis Lifton pointed out whereas the rifle Lee owned was 36" long when assembled and yet the rifle that sits in the National Archives is 40.2" long when assembled. If I remember correctly ... the 40.2" long rifle was being sold after the 36" rifles were no longer available. Lifton went on to say that the CIA had bought three such rifles just months before the assassination, but they were never questioned about why they had a sudden need for three such poorly made rifles just months before JFK's assassination. Lee Oswald did not appear to me to be so stupid as to use his own gun which could be traced back to him with the idea that all he had to do is say he didn't shoot anybody. Nothing about Lee being a lone gunman at that point ever made any sense to me.

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4 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

Ha ha ha ha ha, this is too stupid not to ignore.

Fritz reports, Bookhout/Hosty report, Kelley's report what more do you need.

Speculate on and on.....and nothing to back this up with.

How do you do this Trejo? You stick your thumb in your mouth and suck it dry for a nice comforting story to come out?

If this gets me banned then so be it, but a person can only endure this much. Then you can see my rants at ROKC.

We are supposed to educate ourselves right?

How come Trejo refuses to do so?

 

I can think of a worse place for someone to have their thumb than in their mouth. So perhaps your rants would be more fitting at ROKC.

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