Vince Palamara Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Document here (I can never upload any image- always too big. YOU CAN NOW CLICK ON THE IMAGE AT THIS LINK TO ENLARGE IT): https://vincepalamara.com/2016/09/24/amazing-document-tying-david-ferrie-guy-bannister-and-others-together/ As author Flip De Mey said: “I suppose this document is part of the Ferrie-file in the case about his dismissal as pilot. The whole clique of Camp Street 544, New Orleans seems present: Banister, Ferrie, Arcacha Smith,… Ferrie’s involvement in the CAP is also mentioned. By pure coincidence the Camp Street address is stamped on Oswald’s ‘Hands off Cuba’ pamphlet, and by pure coincidence Oswald was one of the boys under Ferrie’s “oversight” in the CAP. Also by pure coincidence pilot Ferrie drove through a storm from New Orleans to Galveston Texas on 22 November 1963, without any reasonable explanation, to return at the very moment the killing of Oswald was made public. By coincidence Breck Wall -responsible for the Dallas chapter of AGVA- was also in Dallas and received at the very moment Ferrie arrived there a mysterious telephone-call from Ruby. Ferrie by the way was -pure coincidence- in the morning of 22 November at Carlos Marcello’s side. Mafia Godfather and Kennedy-hater Marcello gave Ferrie 7.000 $ that day, again without reasonable explanation. You can go on and on,… The document in itself proves nothing new. We know that these shady crooks knew each other, and covered each others lies, but it’s again an illustration of their conspiratorial behavior.” Edited September 25, 2016 by Vince Palamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Newton Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Thanks Vince! That's a great document. I can't click on the copy you have on the webpage to make it bigger but zoomed in and could make it out. I don't think that summary is in the extant records and I could not find it at Mary F's site. There is this, a newspaper clipping of Ferrie's arrest: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=117796&search=fournier#relPageId=97&tab=page The trucking company application looks really interesting too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Newton Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Vince, Who is Aucoin, Erby Aucoin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 I fixed it--you CAN now click on the image to enlarge it. NOTICE THE CHERAMIE LISTED--ANY RELATION TO ROSE CHERAMIE???? GET JIM DIEUGENIO ON THIS! As for Aucoin--not sure. The only Aucoin I ever heard of in my life is BILL Aucoin, the KISS producer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Newton Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I found it it's Erby (or Orvie) Aucoin and he was a TV cameraman and informant. His neighbor said he had heard this from the Judge in the Clay Shaw trial. So it's a tenuous lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Vince, I fixed it--you CAN now click on the image to enlarge it. NOTICE THE CHERAMIE LISTED--ANY RELATION TO ROSE CHERAMIE???? GET JIM DIEUGENIO ON THIS! I immediately wondered the same thing, but I don't think so. 1) Rose Cheramie apparently told Lt. Francis Fruge that she was enroute to, among other things, "pick up her baby" I don't think that Al Cheramie was a baby. 2) "Rose Cheramie" was an alias for Marcades. As an aside, Fruge's deposition to the HSCA on April 18, 1978 is referenced in the Staff Report in Volume X of the HSCA Appendix volumes. Does anyone know how to see his actual deposition? Personally, I find it very hard to find my way around around the HSCA documents and files. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 drove through a storm from New Orleans to Galveston Texas on 22 November 1963, without any reasonable explanation, to return at the very moment the killing of Oswald was made public Ferrie's roommate said something about Ferrie having to make an "important flight" on the afternoon of the 22nd. This was coupled with the curious activity at Red Bird airport somehow. He said more about this, but I don't remember without looking at it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) Vince, I fixed it--you CAN now click on the image to enlarge it. NOTICE THE CHERAMIE LISTED--ANY RELATION TO ROSE CHERAMIE???? GET JIM DIEUGENIO ON THIS! I immediately wondered the same thing, but I don't think so. 1) Rose Cheramie apparently told Lt. Francis Fruge that she was enroute to, among other things, "pick up her baby" I don't think that Al Cheramie was a baby. 2) "Rose Cheramie" was an alias for Marcades. As an aside, Fruge's deposition to the HSCA on April 18, 1978 is referenced in the Staff Report in Volume X of the HSCA Appendix volumes. Does anyone know how to see his actual deposition? Personally, I find it very hard to find my way around around the HSCA documents and files. Steve Thomas you're probably way too young to remember this, but in the 60's - (hell in the 80's, remember Mother's Finest, "Baby Love"?) - "my baby" meant "my man." or "my baby's daddy." "or my deadbeat, lazy-ass husband..." but you get the point. or it could have meant "my son." my mom would use it when I was due for yet more cheek-pinching humiliation. Edited September 25, 2016 by Glenn Nall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Glenn, you're probably way too young to remember this, but in the 60's - (hell in the 80's, remember Mother's Finest, "Baby Love"?) - "my baby" meant "my man." or "my baby's daddy." "or my deadbeat, lazy-ass husband..." but you get the point. or it could have meant "my son." my mom would use it when I was due for yet more cheek-pinching humiliation. You're right. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Al Cheramie was a friend of Ferrie's and, to my knowledge, was not related to Rose C. I cannot see the document yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Newton Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 source document in John Armstrong Collection: http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/21294/rec/2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Jim, go to this link and click on the image to enlarge. The document above is something else. The one about Ferrie and Bannister can be found here: https://vincepalamara.com/2016/09/24/amazing-document-tying-david-ferrie-guy-bannister-and-others-together/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Newton Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Both these pages are part of a longer (10 page) document that can be found in the John Armstrong Collection. The highlighter marks on both images suggests that the primary source for Vince's documents was John Armstrong's Collection, as well. The entire summary of the hearing and the details it reveals are stunning and make a great read. In the same folder are several FBI 302's of CAP interviews that mention LHO. Too bad the FBI wasn't interested in "follow-up" in that regard. edit - note: my previously posted link will take you there. Edited September 26, 2016 by Chris Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) OK, I have seen them now. The first one, about the judge seeing an employment application filed by Oswald with Ruby's name on it, I had seen that years ago. This was when the great Peter Vea was going through all the declassified Garrison docs by the ARRB. I have always felt that was a bombshell that was much too ignored. Bugliosi asks, well why did Garrison not use that? Uh, VInny do you know how much was stolen out of Garrison's files by the CIA agents who infiltrated his office? IMO, that was one of the things high on their list. Along with the lead to the guy who had taken a film of Oswald with Clay Shaw. The other document is new to me in particular. I had not seen that one about Banister and SAS helping out Ferrie in his dismissal hearings. I knew that this had happened, but I did not know about that document. Always good to have it in a record. In other words, the collusion exists outside of 544 Camp street. Edited September 27, 2016 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) On 9/27/2016 at 2:00 PM, James DiEugenio said: OK, I have seen them now. The first one, about the judge seeing an employment application filed by Oswald with Ruby's name on it, I had seen that years ago. This was when the great Peter Vea was going through all the declassified Garrison docs by the ARRB. I have always felt that was a bombshell that was much too ignored. Bugliosi asks, well why did Garrison not use that? Uh, VInny do you know how much was stolen out of Garrison's files by the CIA agents who infiltrated his office? IMO, that was one of the things high on their list. Along with the lead to the guy who had taken a film of Oswald with Clay Shaw. The other document is new to me in particular. I had not seen that one about Banister and SAS helping out Ferrie in his dismissal hearings. I knew that this had happened, but I did not know about that document. Always good to have it in a record. In other words, the collusion exists outside of 544 Camp street. Dear Jim, At first I thought the CIA had stolen page three and page four from this document http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/29673/rec/1 , too, but then I found them at another source: Memorandum - Page three - September 12, 1977 [...] recently, I have had to re-evaluate it as probably accurate because; of the specificity of detail in the statement. For example, during my earlier reading of it, I apparently missed the detail which Whalen provided concerning Ferrie's and Shaw's having learned from an "inside*' source — Dean Andrews — that I was about to start an investigation of (the New Orleans aspect of) President Kennedy's murder. (As a matter of fact. Dean Andrews was — by a number of months -- the first person I ever talked to at any length about the assassination and the fact that the Warren Commission conclusion was imppfit-i I hie [sic]. Having studied his patently evasive statement made before the Commission that one " Clay Bertrand " -- a man Little known or uknown to him, depending upon which part of his testimony you read -- had called him and retained him to represent Lee Oswald in Dallas, I arranged a lunch with Andrews at Broussard's Restaurant. At that time, I informed him that it was apparent to me that he was concealing the true identity of the man who called him about re- presenting Oswald and, when he demurred, I indicated — in effect that I intended to find out what the true facts were, I doubt that, even now, any members of my former staff knew that our whole inquiry really started off with my questioning of Dean Andrews. (But, as his statement indicates, Whalen learned that from Pershing.) R: Police report of August [?], 1961, concerning an investigation of David Ferrie with regard to a run-away youth, who apparently lived with him for awhile, named Alexander Landry, Landry was seen in Ferrie's company at a time when they were picking up Layton Martens from work. Martens is described in the report as “working in the Balter Building for a Cuban Organization helping Cuban refugees in the current Cuban situation, which is headed by Mr, Arcacha Smith." In the report, Martens stated to the officers that he "sometimes stays with Capt, Ferrie and that his mother had just recently moved and he wasn't certain of her address." The report goes on to describe a telephone call, in Ferris's behalf, made by Arcacha in which Arcacha stated that he could get the boy (Landry) back for them if they would get a signed statement from the parents indicating that they would not press charges against Ferrie. This is another bit of information helping to illuminate the relationship of Layten Martens, an apparent protege of Shaw's, to David Ferrie , Sergio Arcacha and the anti-Castro Cuban organization. T: A memorandum based upon a phone call to the District Attorney's office from Charles Krop -- employed by the Illinois Migrant Council in Chicago — who, shortly after the President's death, had been contacted by a Cuban organization in Chicago which was raising funds to assassinate Fidel Castro, In this connection, Krop stated that the Cubans informed him that the two men in charge of the project were named Shaw and Ferrie and were from New Orleans After describing the details of his having informed the FBI of the Cuban group’s contacts with him, Krop describes in some detail one of the Cubans contacting him — one Carlos Rodriguez [Quesada], apparently a disenchanted one-time Castro warrior. U: Memorandum in 1967 based upon a phone call from the under-cover agent (Jimmy Johnson) whom the N.0. District Attorney’s office by now had working as a mechanic with David Ferrie, Johnson describes Ferrie as having been visited by a Cuban or Mexican named "Carlos" , (See preceding note re: Krop communication) , Memorandum - Page four September 12, 1977 V: A memo based upon a contact with the office by Martin Waldron, then of the Houston Bureau of the New York Times. According to Bethell, who received the call, the New York Times had received two memos from one of their local stringers concerning a possible Shaw-Ferrie connection — however the Times was, thus far, taking no action in connection with the story. According to these memos, one Ray Sadler — then a University of South Carolina professor - - had done a doctoral thesis on an abortive (anti- Batista) invasion from New Orleans back in 1947. An airport had been leased near Venice, Florida, by a man named Shaw . One of the pilots for the anti-Cuban mission reportedly was David Ferrie . The name of Scott Wilson , then connected with the International Trade Mart and named as a participant in the intended operation, is a correct description of an individual then of some influence in New Orleans in political and civic affairs (Note: The memo explains why the invasion plan was aborted. It should be observed, however that — in spite of its later unanticipated problems with Castro in pre-Castro days, the American government, primarily through the CIA, was engaged in sponsoring attempts to accomplish Batista's removal. The information given the office in this call is supported by interesting detail, although the date given for the abortive invasion may be a bit early [perhaps a typographical error]. As with so many leads we received, our office apparently lacked the time and personnel to follow up on this one. It is apparently still a viable lead with regard to follow-up potential). W: Letter from one Griscom Morgan , of Yellow Springs, Ohio, concerning a friend of his whose mother had been housekeeper to Clay Shaw . According to Morgan, the lady was terrified by her knowledge of Shaw's activities. According to Morgan, “this in- cludes knowing of Ferrie's association with Shaw. " Another in- teresting lead apparently farmed out to someone on the staff but not followed through. By early 1967 we were in the center of the hurricane and shortage of leads connecting Shaw and Ferrie and the anti-Castro Cubans and Banister operation was no longer our main problem. However, following through on all of them was — and, in hindsight, our available staff did not handle all of the follow- ups effectively). X: An unsigned letter providing the name and address of Woodrow [?] Hardy of Tampa, Florida, as a source of information concerning Shaw's associations. The writer of the letter stated that Hardy remodeled Shaw's New Orleans home. He stated further that during that period. Hardy saw "many Cuban types" at Shaw's place. He described Hardy as saying that "one man in particular, who denied to you that he knew Shaw, but stood outside of the resi- dence and couldn't help but know Shaw."* (It is interesting to note that this letter, which describes Hardy as a Tampa resident, is dated May 20,1968. By that time, Kerry Thornley had become a resident of Tampa). Another lead long over-due for a follow through. TUCKER, SCHONEKAS & GARRISON 710 CARONOflET [sic] ST. NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA 70130 Y: Statement of Thomas Clark, one of Ferrie's covey of youthful associates. Here he described how, in 1964 while working at Ferrie 's service station he saw a "small, white compact car, foreign, Renault type, come there twice." He could not make out the occupant "but it was a big man" who never got out of the car. He would wind up, talking with Ferrie, "staying in the car for over an hour. The car never came and got gas." I do not find any material at hand telling us what kind of car Shaw had or had avail- [end of page four] Enjoy!, -- Tommy Edited March 15, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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