Allen

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Agree. Not anarchists, provocateurs being funded by unknown entities. 

If we just abandoned the left and right classifications, and group identity, people would see these things for what they are. They feel compelled to support whatever is done in the name of their tribe. Its no different looking at sports fans, they fail to be objective. 

[John Cotter]

On 3/7/2023 at 8:36 PM, Paul Brancato said:

Never saw this, thank you. I think this is why I now self identify as an anarchist. 

I agree with what I believe is the core principle of anarchism as expressed by English socialist William Morris when he said, “No man is good enough to be another man’s master.”

[Guest]

This is a great video explaining inflation and the way government robs society. It is indeed a covert tax. 
 

@Paul Brancato @John Cotter @Matthew Koch @Steven Kossor @Benjamin Cole @Paul Rigby

Note that Von Mises and Rothbard have both written extensively about anarcho-capitalism (Paul B & John). Here they are highlighting problems of big-government control. 
 

 

[Paul Rigby]

On 3/8/2023 at 7:41 PM, Paul Brancato said:

Agree. Not anarchists, provocateurs being funded by unknown entities. 

Isn't a lot of Soros money behind Antifa? Or have I confused the American version with the notorious European pseudo-gang, "Black Bloc," which seems to consist of several hundred policemen and spooks in drag?

[Paul Brancato]

3 hours ago, Paul Rigby said:

Isn't a lot of Soros money behind Antifa? Or have I confused the American version with the notorious European pseudo-gang, "Black Bloc," which seems to consist of several hundred policemen and spooks in drag?

I truly don’t have any idea whether Antifa, black bloc, or just people dressed in black creaating mayhem, are funded by Soros or anyone else. Do you? 

[Paul Brancato]

5 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

This is a great video explaining inflation and the way government robs society. It is indeed a covert tax. 
 

@Paul Brancato @John Cotter @Matthew Koch @Steven Kossor @Benjamin Cole @Paul Rigby

Note that Von Mises and Rothbard have both written extensively about anarcho-capitalism (Paul B & John). Here they are highlighting problems of big-government control. 
 

 

Does ring true, though I never thought of inflation as a hidden tax. The boom and bust cycle of capitalism is consistent for hundreds of years, ever since the practice of what used to be called usury became the norm. Everyone these days is a fed watcher. There is almost no financial news underlying stock market action other than what is this or that fed Governor saying. And it’s comical that they are worried about too much employment, as if inflation is being caused by the employed masses. Can’t have labor unions popping up, can’t give workers any power, lest they make more money and force their bosses to raise prices. To me that’s backwards. Bosses raise prices to increase their profits, and surely cheap money enables them to do so until the chickens come home to roost, at which point we have a crash. Nowadays it’s all done out in the open, and we are told it’s good for us. 

[Paul Cummings]

31 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Does ring true, though I never thought of inflation as a hidden tax. The boom and bust cycle of capitalism is consistent for hundreds of years, ever since the practice of what used to be called usury became the norm. Everyone these days is a fed watcher. There is almost no financial news underlying stock market action other than what is this or that fed Governor saying. And it’s comical that they are worried about too much employment, as if inflation is being caused by the employed masses. Can’t have labor unions popping up, can’t give workers any power, lest they make more money and force their bosses to raise prices. To me that’s backwards. Bosses raise prices to increase their profits, and surely cheap money enables them to do so until the chickens come home to roost, at which point we have a crash. Nowadays it’s all done out in the open, and we are told it’s good for us. 

It's quite comical to blame wages as the focus for inflation. Still can't get anyone to tell me what past FED policies has done to raise wages when stagnant years ago.

Edited March 11, 2023 by Paul Cummings

[Matthew Koch]

5 hours ago, Paul Rigby said:

Isn't a lot of Soros money behind Antifa? Or have I confused the American version with the notorious European pseudo-gang, "Black Bloc," which seems to consist of several hundred policemen and spooks in drag?

During the 2016 election cycle Democratic Operatives were caught paying people to stir up trouble at Trump rallies so that the media could make stories about MAGA supporters being violent racists.. That is where the Trump is a fascist narrative started. I tried finding the video on Youtube but YouTube for an obvious reason mixes Project veritas's videos up and so I can't find it by going back, the left censorship on search engines is getting out of control and is starting to look like 1984 

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/project-veritas-action-robert-creamer-donald-trump-rallies/index.html

https://apnews.com/article/670714b83d3d437ab5e22d5a1ae7db4a

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/oct/19/video-shows-democratic-activist-bragging-about-dis/

https://nypost.com/2016/10/18/trump-rally-disrupter-was-once-on-clinton-campaigns-payroll/

This one has the video https://www.npr.org/2016/10/19/498587397/sting-video-purports-to-show-democrats-describing-how-to-commit-voter-fraud

Edited March 11, 2023 by Matthew Koch

[Bob Ness]

Gee. This thread is like the tr0ll hall of fame.

[John Cotter]

5 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

Gee. This thread is like the tr0ll hall of fame.

If that's how you see yourself, maybe you should have a chat with the house shrink.

[Bob Ness]

18 hours ago, John Cotter said:

If that's how you see yourself, maybe you should have a chat with the house shrink.

Cotter: "I know you are, but what am I?"

Good response. Fourth grade, John?

[Leslie Sharp]

On 3/11/2023 at 9:42 AM, Matthew Koch said:

During the 2016 election cycle Democratic Operatives were caught paying people to stir up trouble at Trump rallies so that the media could make stories about MAGA supporters being violent racists.. That is where the Trump is a fascist narrative started. I tried finding the video on Youtube but YouTube for an obvious reason mixes Project veritas's videos up and so I can't find it by going back, the left censorship on search engines is getting out of control and is starting to look like 1984 

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/project-veritas-action-robert-creamer-donald-trump-rallies/index.html

https://apnews.com/article/670714b83d3d437ab5e22d5a1ae7db4a

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/oct/19/video-shows-democratic-activist-bragging-about-dis/

https://nypost.com/2016/10/18/trump-rally-disrupter-was-once-on-clinton-campaigns-payroll/

This one has the video https://www.npr.org/2016/10/19/498587397/sting-video-purports-to-show-democrats-describing-how-to-commit-voter-fraud

Not wishing to hijack the central issue Paul raises here, but it should be noted Project Veritas’ claims never hold up under credible scrutiny.

 

‘ . . . The firm and Creamer said Project Veritas used "heavily edited" footage in videos that falsely suggested they conspired to incite violence at then-Republican candidate Donald Trump's rallies and schemed to promote voter fraud.’

 

Project Veritas loses jury verdict to Democratic consulting firm

By Jonathan Stempel 

Sept 23 (Reuters) - A federal jury has found Project Veritas, a conservative group often accused of using deceptive tactics, liable for violating wiretapping laws and misrepresenting itself in an undercover effort to target Democratic political consultants.

. . . Democracy Partners claimed it had been infiltrated by a Project Veritas operative who lied about her name and background to obtain an internship during the 2016 presidential campaign, and secretly recorded conversations while working there.

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/project-veritas-loses-jury-verdict-democratic-consulting-firm-2022-09-23/

[Matthew Koch]

5 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

 

Not wishing to hijack the central issue Paul raises here, but it should be noted Project Veritas’ claims never hold up under credible scrutiny.

 

‘ . . . The firm and Creamer said Project Veritas used "heavily edited" footage in videos that falsely suggested they conspired to incite violence at then-Republican candidate Donald Trump's rallies and schemed to promote voter fraud.’

 

Project Veritas loses jury verdict to Democratic consulting firm

By Jonathan Stempel 

Sept 23 (Reuters) - A federal jury has found Project Veritas, a conservative group often accused of using deceptive tactics, liable for violating wiretapping laws and misrepresenting itself in an undercover effort to target Democratic political consultants.

. . . Democracy Partners claimed it had been infiltrated by a Project Veritas operative who lied about her name and background to obtain an internship during the 2016 presidential campaign, and secretly recorded conversations while working there.

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/project-veritas-loses-jury-verdict-democratic-consulting-firm-2022-09-23/

Leslie your mo is now to compulsively post character assassination without addressing the information in the previous post while posting information with nothing to do with the previous post. The news links say that the people in the videos were fired for what they said in the videos one of the links has the video.. So if you would like to address the links feel free to do so, if not you are basically harassing me like you did Robert Montenegro. 

Here's Robert's post about you so that you and others can see that you are known for this kind of bad behavior: 
 

"I should explain why, as a courtesy, why I deleted all of my posts on this forum and why I am back now.

After I started posting about the late Hank Albarelli's work into the "Stay-behind" elements involved with the murder of President Kennedy, forum member Anthony Thorne placed Ms. Leslie Sharp, a person who was working with my late friend H.P. “Hank” Albarelli Jr. on his book "Coup in Dallas: Who Killed JFK and Why".

She then started probing me for information.

Specifically, what I knew about Hank Albarelli's research, how and when I met Hank and what I knew about this other unfinished book projects.

I told her that I first contacted Mr. Albarelli because I needed help with a whistleblowers claim I was making against the Veterans Affairs Administration in regards to a Post Traumatic Stress Disorder stressor statement about certain Joint Special Operations Command personnel involved in war crimes I witnessed committed under the NATO International Security Assistance Forces operational structure while I was deployed to Afghanistan.

Incidentally, when I asked Ms. Leslie Sharp about the release date time-tables surrounding Hank's ten books before he passed away, with the following working titles: 

1. "Coup in Dallas: Who Killed JFK and Why"

2. "Wormwood Exposed: The Truth About Frank Olson and Other Terrible Mistakes"

3. "CIA Femme Fatale: The Secret Life of June Cobb"

4. "An Unauthorized History of CIA Projects QJ/WIN and ZR/RIFLE"

5. "Lee Harvey Oswald and New York City, June 1962: A Complete Investigation and Substantial Questions and Issues" 

6. "Project ARTICHOKE and the CIA's Development of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques"

7. "Exploiting Evil: Project PAPERCLIP, the Pentagon, CIA, and Human Experimentation"

8. "The Secret History of LSD and the CIA"

9. "Operation Midnight Climax: The Life and Time of George Hunter White, Federal Narcotics and CIA Agent Extraordinaire"

10. "Lee Harvey Oswald and The Manchurian Candidate, 1959-1963"

"I was told, under no uncertain terms, that she signed some "...oath of confidentiality..." gag-waiver with the publishers of Hank's work and I could not be given an answer about any element of Hank's research. Ms. Sharp then said, quite bluntly, that she did not believe I was in contact with Hank, because I did not sign such a oath.

Then Ms. Leslie Sharp started saying, for the sake of saving face on my account, I should delete all of my posts about the "Stay-behind" elements, because what Hank Albarelli told me in private conversation was not pertinent to the conclusions he came to in the final product of his book (which I highly doubt, in retrospect).

Then Ms. Leslie Sharp aggressively pushed me to delete my posts in order to "protect the memory of Hank" (pulling on my damn heart-strings).

Then, after I said I would, under no circumstances, not delete my posts, I was viciously threatened by Ms. Leslie Sharp that she would hit me with a "cease and desist" lawsuit by Simon & Schuster if I said or wrote anything more, ad infinitum, about the conversations that I had Hank Albarelli about his research into the JFK murder or anything about his unreleased books.

I am only coming forward now, because I have sought legal counsel of my own on the matter and am now aware of my legal rights, such as they are.

I did nothing illegal by relaying the content of private conversations, and I now consider what Ms, Leslie Sharp did a form of electronic harassment. 

Does anyone know how to I can recover and put back the posts I deleted? 

I will start reconstruction of the posts I made, in a few days, if no one can help me recover the data."

[Leslie Sharp]

8 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:

Leslie your mo is now to compulsively post character assassination without addressing the information in the previous post while posting information with nothing to do with the previous post. The news links say that the people in the videos were fired for what they said in the videos one of the links has the video.. So if you would like to address the links feel free to do so, if not you are basically harassing me like you did Robert Montenegro. 

Here's Robert's post about you so that you and others can see that you are known for this kind of bad behavior: 
 

 

"I should explain why, as a courtesy, why I deleted all of my posts on this forum and why I am back now.

After I started posting about the late Hank Albarelli's work into the "Stay-behind" elements involved with the murder of President Kennedy, forum member Anthony Thorne placed Ms. Leslie Sharp, a person who was working with my late friend H.P. “Hank” Albarelli Jr. on his book "Coup in Dallas: Who Killed JFK and Why".

She then started probing me for information.

Specifically, what I knew about Hank Albarelli's research, how and when I met Hank and what I knew about this other unfinished book projects.

I told her that I first contacted Mr. Albarelli because I needed help with a whistleblowers claim I was making against the Veterans Affairs Administration in regards to a Post Traumatic Stress Disorder stressor statement about certain Joint Special Operations Command personnel involved in war crimes I witnessed committed under the NATO International Security Assistance Forces operational structure while I was deployed to Afghanistan.

Incidentally, when I asked Ms. Leslie Sharp about the release date time-tables surrounding Hank's ten books before he passed away, with the following working titles: 

1. "Coup in Dallas: Who Killed JFK and Why"

2. "Wormwood Exposed: The Truth About Frank Olson and Other Terrible Mistakes"

3. "CIA Femme Fatale: The Secret Life of June Cobb"

4. "An Unauthorized History of CIA Projects QJ/WIN and ZR/RIFLE"

5. "Lee Harvey Oswald and New York City, June 1962: A Complete Investigation and Substantial Questions and Issues" 

6. "Project ARTICHOKE and the CIA's Development of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques"

7. "Exploiting Evil: Project PAPERCLIP, the Pentagon, CIA, and Human Experimentation"

8. "The Secret History of LSD and the CIA"

9. "Operation Midnight Climax: The Life and Time of George Hunter White, Federal Narcotics and CIA Agent Extraordinaire"

10. "Lee Harvey Oswald and The Manchurian Candidate, 1959-1963"

"I was told, under no uncertain terms, that she signed some "...oath of confidentiality..." gag-waiver with the publishers of Hank's work and I could not be given an answer about any element of Hank's research. Ms. Sharp then said, quite bluntly, that she did not believe I was in contact with Hank, because I did not sign such a oath.

Then Ms. Leslie Sharp started saying, for the sake of saving face on my account, I should delete all of my posts about the "Stay-behind" elements, because what Hank Albarelli told me in private conversation was not pertinent to the conclusions he came to in the final product of his book (which I highly doubt, in retrospect).

Then Ms. Leslie Sharp aggressively pushed me to delete my posts in order to "protect the memory of Hank" (pulling on my damn heart-strings).

Then, after I said I would, under no circumstances, not delete my posts, I was viciously threatened by Ms. Leslie Sharp that she would hit me with a "cease and desist" lawsuit by Simon & Schuster if I said or wrote anything more, ad infinitum, about the conversations that I had Hank Albarelli about his research into the JFK murder or anything about his unreleased books.

I am only coming forward now, because I have sought legal counsel of my own on the matter and am now aware of my legal rights, such as they are.

I did nothing illegal by relaying the content of private conversations, and I now consider what Ms, Leslie Sharp did a form of electronic harassment. 

Does anyone know how to I can recover and put back the posts I deleted? 

I will start reconstruction of the posts I made, in a few days, if no one can help me recover the data."

As long as you invoke Project Veritas, or Posobiec, I'll be right behind you to provide antidote for your disinformation. 

And, as stated on another thread, 

I feel no need to "explain" 'this.'

And I suggest you refrain from slurs hurled at a combat veteran who acknowledges openly that he suffers PTSD. He's unable to take you on here, and you know it, but I will on his behalf.

The moderators need to stay on top of your attempted psychological intimidation, and your misogynist rants, imho. 

[Leslie Sharp]

On 3/11/2023 at 9:42 AM, Matthew Koch said:

During the 2016 election cycle Democratic Operatives were caught paying people to stir up trouble at Trump rallies so that the media could make stories about MAGA supporters being violent racists.. That is where the Trump is a fascist narrative started. I tried finding the video on Youtube but YouTube for an obvious reason mixes Project veritas's videos up and so I can't find it by going back, the left censorship on search engines is getting out of control and is starting to look like 1984 

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/project-veritas-action-robert-creamer-donald-trump-rallies/index.html

https://apnews.com/article/670714b83d3d437ab5e22d5a1ae7db4a

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/oct/19/video-shows-democratic-activist-bragging-about-dis/

https://nypost.com/2016/10/18/trump-rally-disrupter-was-once-on-clinton-campaigns-payroll/

This one has the video https://www.npr.org/2016/10/19/498587397/sting-video-purports-to-show-democrats-describing-how-to-commit-voter-fraud

Fact check: No proof of alleged voter fraud scheme or connection to Rep. Ilhan Omar

Camille Caldera

USA TODAY

 

Footage raises more questions than it answers, some taken out of context

Unknowns in the Project Veritas footage include the accuracy of the translations between Somali and English, the questions asked and the way the clips were edited.

Most of the sources are anonymous, and their faces are blurred or left out of the camera frame.

On Sept. 29, researchers at Stanford University and the University of Washington concluded that the video’s rollout suggests it was part of a “coordinated disinformation campaign,” they write at the Election Integrity Project site.

 

“It’s a great example of what a coordinated disinformation campaign looks like: pre-seeding the ground and then simultaneously hitting from a bunch of different accounts at once,” Alex Stamos, a researcher at the Stanford Internet Observatory, told the New York Times.

Our rating: False

Based on our research, the claim that Project Veritas discovered a voter fraud scheme connected to Rep. Ilhan Omar is FALSE. There are many aspects that are impossible to corroborate, given the use of unnamed sources and unverifiable translations, and the "central source" behind the video backtracked on some of his claims after publication. There's no link between Omar and the alleged fraud, and the scenario in the video is implausible based on the evidence provided. Researchers have also termed the videos part of a "coordinated disinformation campaign."

Our fact-check sources:

·       Donald J. Trump, Sept. 29, Tweet

·       Statement from Jered Ede, Chief Legal Officer for Project Veritas

·       Sahan Journal, Oct. 1, Omar Jamal, key source of Project Veritas election fraud video, backtracks on cash-for-ballots allegation.

·       Donald Trump Jr, Sept. 28, Tweet

·       Sahan Journal, Sept. 28, How did an August primary election in Minneapolis turn into a national right-wing disinformation campaign against absentee ballots?

·       MPR News, April 24, 2009, When Somalis are in the news, so is Omar Jamal

·       Snopes, Sept. 29, Viral Video Spreads Unfounded Claim About Rep. Ilhan Omar and Voter Fraud

·       Minneapolis StarTribune, Sept. 29, Trump seizes on conservative group's claim of fraud in Minneapolis election

·       USA TODAY, Aug. 12, Rep. Ilhan Omar wins contentious Democratic primary election in Minnesota

·       Election Integrity Project, Sept. 29, Project Veritas #BallotHarvesting Amplification

·       Jamal Osman-Minneapolis City Council Ward 6, Sept. 28, Post 

·       New York Times, Sept. 29, Researchers say a Project Veritas video accusing Ilhan Omar of voter fraud was a ‘coordinated disinformation campaign.’

·       The Hill, May 26, 2010, ACORN filmmaker James O’Keefe sentenced in Sen. Mary Landrieu break-in

·       Mother Jones, Oct. 20, 2014, Colorado Dems: We Caught James O’Keefe and His Friends Trying to Bait Us Into Approving Voter Fraud

·       Washington Post, Nov. 27, 2017, A woman approached The Post with dramatic — and false — tale about Roy Moore. She appears to be part of undercover sting operation.

·       National Conference of State Legislatures, Aug. 28, Who Can Collect and Return an Absentee Ballot Other Than the Voter

·       Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon, Primary Election

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/16/fact-check-project-veritas-no-proof-voter-fraud-scheme-link-ilhan-omar/3584614001/