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[Bob Ness]

5 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Thanks Paul, you say it better than I, that's pretty much exactly what I meant.  When the military took in Gehlen and his aides for a year, agreeing to his terms, it set the stage for where we are today.  Having Dulles as the only one from OSS among those few to have contact with Gehlen or the aides is eye opening for me.  Dulles ignored the Holocaust as it was happening from Switzerland for the OSS, while continuing to deal with the Nasis.  He was dealing with Skorzeny at the time regarding the rat lines.  Skorzeny rescued Mussolini.

Then Dulles becomes Director of the CIA.  They both wanted the cold war to continue.  As did the Rockefellers.  

I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone but they were people who had to play the cards as dealt and not as they wanted them, plus had just traveled through the most violent time in human history. I for one often wonder how the Russians left even a blade of grass standing in Germany. Of course they sat idly by as the Germans annihilated Warsaw - to this day Russia would love nothing more than to incinerate Poland. In Warsaw the animals wouldn't give the Allies permission to even drop food during the German's attack.

The Russians were the worst of all save the Nasis, and were plenty happy to aid them early on. It's no wonder Hitler despised them. In point of fact the European continent is the place to go for bloodletting and a quick visit to the Ukraine will bear that out.

Picking friends there is a lot like going to a pig farm to find a bride. Particularly after World War Two.

Edited March 5, 2023 by Bob Ness

[Paul Brancato]

Everyone sat idly by and watched Germany invade Poland. Didn’t England have a defense treaty with Poland? Maybe I’ve got that wrong. Have you or anyone reading this watched the PBS show America and the Holocaust? Very revealing series. Everyone sat idly by while Hitler and Co. tried to destroy the Jewish people, and Poland was the worst - I believe something like 4 million Polish Jews were killed. But essentially the US took the side of Germany until Japan attacked us. Everyone should watch Chaplin’s masterpiece The Great Dictator. And we took the side of Germany after the war. Yeah, Stalin was horrible. Putin is horrible. Bush was horrible. 

[Matthew Koch]

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

Everyone sat idly by and watched Germany invade Poland. Didn’t England have a defense treaty with Poland? Maybe I’ve got that wrong. Have you or anyone reading this watched the PBS show America and the Holocaust? Very revealing series. Everyone sat idly by while Hitler and Co. tried to destroy the Jewish people, and Poland was the worst - I believe something like 4 million Polish Jews were killed. But essentially the US took the side of Germany until Japan attacked us. Everyone should watch Chaplin’s masterpiece The Great Dictator. And we took the side of Germany after the war. Yeah, Stalin was horrible. Putin is horrible. Bush was horrible. 

Rather Ironic that you support all those polices now that they been labeled "Woke" 

 

[Bob Ness]

3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Everyone sat idly by and watched Germany invade Poland. Didn’t England have a defense treaty with Poland? 

But Germany didn't invade Poland. Germany AND Russia invaded in September of 1939.

France and England had an agreement to defend them and prior to the Munich agreement the Soviets weren't necessarily going to take part in an invasion. The Munich agreement, which gave the Sudetenland to Germany provided immense logistical advantages to Germany and created a rift between the Russians and the Allies; France, Italy (who were with the Allies at the time) and England. Lord Chamberlain essentially drove a wedge between the Allies and Stalin who was their most important ally (if only to keep the USSR sidelined). Russia could have prevented the invasion either diplomatically or through logistical support as they had a mutual defense agreement with France. But the Munich agreement essentially abandoned Czechoslovakia to the Germans which gave them the military stockpiles of the Czechs and lead Russia to the Ribbentrop agreement.

Throughout this entire time and before, ALL of these countries were engaged in small military incursions with each other trying to claim this patch of land for these guys, that patch of sticks for those guys ad infinitum. It was viewed in the States as typical Euro "Lord this and such that" is offended by the gesture of the "Throne of what's his name" and must needs start a conflagration to defend the honor of such arachnids! And that's pretty close! They've been doing it for centuries and why stop now?

Remember? We left all that crap behind and kicked them out when they brought it here!

NATO is our response to that.

 

[Pamela Brown]

When you talk about "National Socialists", such as Gehlen, who came over to the US after WWII, you probably don't realize that you may be touching on an occult weapon that was supposedly used to generate political assassination. 

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by Pamela Brown

[Paul Brancato]

4 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

Rather Ironic that you support all those polices now that they been labeled "Woke" 

I have no idea what you are talking about, or why you constantly belittle me. Can’t you have a discussion without accusations? 

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Everyone sat idly by and watched Germany invade Poland. Didn’t England have a defense treaty with Poland? Maybe I’ve got that wrong. Have you or anyone reading this watched the PBS show America and the Holocaust? Very revealing series. Everyone sat idly by while Hitler and Co. tried to destroy the Jewish people, and Poland was the worst - I believe something like 4 million Polish Jews were killed. But essentially the US took the side of Germany until Japan attacked us. Everyone should watch Chaplin’s masterpiece The Great Dictator. And we took the side of Germany after the war. Yeah, Stalin was horrible. Putin is horrible. Bush was horrible. 

*Put the volume up. 

[Paul Brancato]

5 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

*Put the volume up. 

One of the greatest moments of movie history. Yet this film was practically banned in the US.

[Matthew Koch]

 

Bernie Sanders speaks against war but he always funds them.. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by Matthew Koch

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

One of the greatest moments of movie history. Yet this film was practically banned in the US.

It was banned in dictatorships too. Its very powerful and most of it stands up today. Hans Zimmer’s “Time”, really adds a more emotional dimension to it. 

[Paul Brancato]

23 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

One of the greatest moments of movie history. Yet this film was practically banned in the US.

I was wrong about the banning of the film. He had great success with it. 10 years or so later he refused to cooperate with McCarthy’s HUAC and left the US for good.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

I was wrong about the banning of the film. He had great success with it. 10 years or so later he refused to cooperate with McCarthy’s HUAC and left the US for good.

That is interesting - it was Chaplin himself who was banned (blacklisted) from working in Hollywood later. Just scanned Wiki. 

[Paul Brancato]

I was unaware that there remains a mystery as to where he was born and whether or not he was part Jewish or part gypsy. The fact remains he was considered by J Edgar Hoover to be a Communist and enemy of the state, though no proof of that exists. One thing that puzzles me though is why so few of my friends, and possibly so few of the members of this forum, have ever seen this incredible movie. It’s so funny, so poignant. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by Paul Brancato

[Joe Bauer]

On 3/5/2023 at 12:47 PM, Chris Barnard said:

*Put the volume up. 

I have never seen this until now.

I'm speechless.

How?

How could I not have ever seen this?

[Pete Mellor]

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

How could I not have ever seen this?

Probably the same reason why Life Magazine didn't show the Zapruder film Joe.