Ron Bulman Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I don't want to get off subject here but have to wonder, if McCord, Phillips and Hunt were "not" retired at the time of Watergate, was Allen Dulles fully retired at the time of the JFK assassination? Even though he'd been fired by JFK? I should probably defer to whatever David Talbot might think on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 12 hours ago, Ron Bulman said: I don't want to get off subject here but have to wonder, if McCord, Phillips and Hunt were "not" retired at the time of Watergate, was Allen Dulles fully retired at the time of the JFK assassination? Even though he'd been fired by JFK? I should probably defer to whatever David Talbot might think on the subject. As I recall, from The Devil's Chessboard, Allen Dulles continued to meet regularly with his "Secret Team" members after he had been fired as CIA Director. And, as I recall, he was at "the Farm" at Langley on November 22, 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 On 3/13/2019 at 7:21 PM, James DiEugenio said: Jim Hougan's book on Watergate, Secret Agenda, was a game changer. His book "Spooks" was also phenomenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Couteau Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Bob, I agree, Spooks is also a great book. Packed with intriguing leads and information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rob Couteau said: Bob, I agree, Spooks is also a great book. Packed with intriguing leads and information. Was the first book I read that made me interested about the topic. In fact I almost bought a Mac 10 after I read about them in the book but eventually ended up with an Uzi. I was going to work for Detonics at the time (ended up elsewhere tho) and, well let's say I had different hobbies then. I found his research on Werbell and the audio guy whose name escapes me was really interesting. Edited March 18, 2019 by Bob Ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Couteau Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) Yes, Bernard Spindel. Also lots of stuff on Maheu in there, and Vesco. And Howard Hughes. What a cast of characters! It's been decades since I read it, but it left a lasting impression. I stumbled upon Hougan's work accidentally, I just happened to spot a used copy of his Watergate text in an English-language bookshop in Paris one day and bought it. And that led me to Spooks. I'm glad to see he has an active website now. PS: Checking the index now, and I see that McCord is mentioned in passing on five different pages. Edited March 21, 2019 by Rob Couteau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Maheu - McCord? Maheu-Cesar-RFK. Does it all connect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rob Couteau said: Yes, Bernard Spindel. Also lots of stuff on Maheu in there, and Vesco. And Howard Hughes. What a cast of characters! It's been decades since I read it, but it left a lasting impression. I stumbled upon Hougan's work accidentally, I just happened to spot a used copy of his Watergate text in an English-language bookshop in Paris one day and bought it. And that led me to Spooks. I'm glad to see he has an active website now. PS: Checking the index now, and I see that McCord is mentioned in passing on five different pages. Bernard Spindel. Good memory. He was supposedly the inspiration for Gene Hackman's character in "The Conversation". Years later I met Hackman on a shoot I was visiting but never asked him about that (kickself!). My brother gave me the book to read. Quite illuminating. Did anyone ever questioned Spindel about that time period while he was alive? Supposedly all sorts of people thought Spindel had the goods to take down a lot of power players and may have kept insurance around for his family. Would be interesting. Edited March 21, 2019 by Bob Ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Kenley Kopitke Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 So did we figure out if McCord is living or dead. I tried in vain to locate him to interview him for my JFK book. God Bless, Kyle PresidentKopitke2016.info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 Well, the parents match. Plus we have about four sources now. The only discrepancy is the DOB. But that seems to be because in some entries it is given as January and some in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kelly Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Recall that Carl McNabb (former CIA JM/WAVE) stated that McCord had the nickname “Zap Man” and that he had allegedly killed Hoover. There exists a released JM/WAVE file with the notation "Zap Man" ... when asked what that meant, McNabb said that an officer told him this was the term given to Richard Helm's private assassin. Annville is a pretty little rural Pennsylvania town (population 5,000) in Mennonite farm country, not far from Hershey and Harrisburg, and is home to Lebanon Valley College. The NCAA Division III school is affiliated with the United Methodist Church, is nicknamed "the Flying Dutchmen" and has a unique "four year graduation guarantee" (i.e. free tuition/books to finish). The school is known for athletic training/physical therapy and speech-language pathology programs. Annville PA is certainly well off the beaten track, and a good place to lie low and live anonymously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Couteau Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 16 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: The only discrepancy is the DOB I found this on ancestry.com, which lists DOB as 26 Jan. This is under the collection "U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947." Note employer. Name: James Walter McCord Race: White Age: 18 Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head) Birth Date: 26 Jan 1924 Birth Place: Waurika, Oklahoma, USA Residence Place: Washington, District of Columbia, USA Registration Date: 1942 Employer: Dr D M Ladd - F B I Weight: 160 Complexion: Light Eye Color: Brown Hair Color: Brown Height: 5 11 Next of Kin: J W Mccord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) McCord worked for the FBI before he worked for the CIA, which was after he got out of college. And that was briefly. Maybe he worked for them in Annville? Edited March 21, 2019 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Couteau Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 That's a very interesting idea. I just telephoned a couple of churches in Annville to see if they had any funeral records or inside info, but there are so many damned churches in that small town it's mind boggling. Any idea whether his family was Methodist, Lutheran, etc? Also spoke with the clerk at Indiantown Gap National Cemetery, who said this McCord was a 2nd Lieutenant in Army, but he had no additional info. I found this on "truepeople search (link below). Scroll down for all his prior addresses: James Walter McCord Jr Age 95 Full Background Report Available Current Address PO Box 471 Leola, PA 17540-0471 Map Phone Numbers (610) 689-8276 - Landline (717) 656-4452 - Landline (520) 214-9661 - Landline Email Addresses jm007@windstream.net jmccord07@epix.net jimccord@infomagic.com View All Email Adddresses Associated Names James W Mc Cord Jr Previous Addresses 9 Arrowhead Dr Douglassville, PA 19518-9619(Nov 2010 - Dec 2010) Map 13022 Chimney Oak Dr San Antonio, TX 78249-3600(Jul 2001 - Jul 2001) Map 11 Farmland Rd Leola, PA 17540-1906(Jul 2001 - Jul 2001) Map 3359 E Swiss Rd Flagstaff, AZ 86004-2241(Apr 2000 - May 2001) Map PO Box 1746 Flagstaff, AZ 86002-1746(Sep 1996 - Oct 1999) Map 1413 Brentwood Dr Fort Collins, CO 80521-4303(Jan 1995 - Jan 1998) Map 3220 W Brenda Loop Flagstaff, AZ 86001-0908(Aug 1996 - Nov 1997) Map 3220 Brenda Lpw Flagstaff, AZ 86001(Jul 1996 - Jul 1996) Map PO Box 780131 San Antonio, TX 78278-0131(Jul 1996) Map 10707 Burr Oak Dr San Antonio, TX 78230-4325(Jul 1992 - Apr 1995) : https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/results?name=James Mccord&citystatezip=Leola PA&agerange=95-95&rid=0x0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 If Wikipedia could be updated, with the best information we have, that could ferret-out the facts. Some media outlet would carry the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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