Marilyn Monroe & a new book which mentions JFK/RFK

[James DiEugenio]

10 hours ago, George Govus said:

Shakin' it over here, boss!

 

One of my favorite films of the sixties.

And Paul Newman gave one of the finest performances by an actor in that decade.  Which is really saying something.

[Cory Santos]

My Reno office is right next to and overlooks the corner of the Virginia Street Bridge where Marilyn threw her wedding ring in the Misfits.   The Mapes is gone now.   It was really something.   I recall as a child going to parties in the Sky Room.   Harrahs is closing as a casino.   The towers will become condos.   Very sad what happened to downtown.

[Joe Bauer]

13 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

My Reno office is right next to and overlooks the corner of the Virginia Street Bridge where Marilyn threw her wedding ring in the Misfits.   The Mapes is gone now.   It was really something.   I recall as a child going to parties in the Sky Room.   Harrahs is closing as a casino.   The towers will become condos.   Very sad what happened to downtown.

Cory, is the downtown casino area as deserted now as I saw it in 2005?

I heard some casinos stayed open.

Would that include Circus Circus? How about the El Dorado?

How about the MGM grand? Wasn't that a bit South of Downtown?

What do people do for work in that area now? I heard some auto maker or some other higher tech company was going to relocate there?

I remember those casino breakfast specials for like $3 back in the 70's.

FWIW there are many anecdotal remembrances by celebrities and former employees about Sinatra and his relationships with Monroe, Kennedy, Giancana in the following documentary . It's 1 and 1/2 hours long so you will want to watch from about the 56 minute mark and for about 20 minutes more.

One story from long time Sinatra girl friend Jeanne Carmen relates how she once drove Robert Kennedy and a few other girls from Peter Lawford's Santa Monica beach house to a nude beach North of Malibu, where RFK frollicked in the sand and water naked with them.

 

Frank Sinatra E True Hollywood Story

Angela Mary

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Edited May 6, 2020 by Joe Bauer

[Cory Santos]

40 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Cory, is the downtown casino area as deserted now as I saw it 2005?

I heard some casinos stayed open.

Would that include Circus Circus? How about the El Dorado?

How about the MGM grand? Wasn't that a bit South of Downtown?

What do people do for work in that area now? I heard some auto maker or some other higher tech company was going to relocate there?

I remember those casino breakfast specials for like $3 back in the 70's.

FWIW there are many anecdotal remembrances by celebrities and former employees about Sinatra and his relationships with Monroe, Kennedy, Giancana in the following documentary . It's 1 and 1/2 hours long so you will want to watch from about the 56 minute mark and for about 20 minutes more.

One story from long time Sinatra girl friend Jeanne Carmen relates how she once drove Robert Kennedy and a few other girls from Peter Lawford's Santa Monica beach house to a nude beach North of Malibu, where RFK frollicked in the sand and water naked with them.

 

Frank Sinatra E True Hollywood Story

Angela Mary

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Joe, I want to give a detailed response so I will respond when I can put time into a good response.

[James DiEugenio]

Cory:

Don't bother.

I am almost done with my two part, 30 page, 10,000 word review of  a new book on the subject which takes it head on.

I will put it on a  its own thread at that time.  And if you still want to argue about it then fine.  But let me get this guy's important work out first.  It goes through the whole history of how this thing was built, from Capell, to Mailer and Slatzer.  What he says about Slatzer is worth the price of the book.

[Ron Ecker]

I might as well throw in my San Francisco experience, such as it was. I went to a North Beach joint in 1966 and saw a topless all-girl band.

Oh, and I saw an Ecker Street in San Francisco. As I recall it was a dead end.

 

 

 

[Cory Santos]

28 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Cory:

Don't bother.

I am almost done with my two part, 30 page, 10,000 word review of  a new book on the subject which takes it head on.

I will put it on a  its own thread at that time.  And if you still want to argue about it then fine.  But let me get this guy's important work out first.  It goes through the whole history of how this thing was built, from Capell, to Mailer and Slatzer.  What he says about Slatzer is worth the price of the book.

No, I meant that I will respond to Joe's points about Reno.  I will wait for your work on MM.  

Btw thanks for the compliment above.   I appreciated that.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Cory Santos

[Pamela Brown]

22 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

I might as well throw in my San Francisco experience, such as it was. I went to a North Beach joint in 1966 and saw a topless all-girl band.

Oh, and I saw an Ecker Street in San Francisco. As I recall it was a dead end.

 

 

 

Thank you. I don't recall an Ecker Street, but that is good to know.

My favorite memory is heading west with the two small poodles in our 68 Mustang, out Geary Blvd and down Hwy 1 for a picnic at a small beach called Mantara, which had small rocks instead of sand, but was usually quite empty.  The dogs could run free.  And of course there were songs like  Proud Mary and Feliciano's Light My Fire, to accompany the adventure  It was just blissful...

[Ron Ecker]

20 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:

I don't recall an Ecker Street, but that is good to know.

 

I did a web search, and lo and behold there it is. 1 Ecker Street is an old icehouse building converted into apartments in the Financial District. I remember driving by and seeing the corner street sign by accident.

I spent a summer in Berkeley, so saw some of San Francisco, drove to Sausalito, and up the redwoods.

One of my favorite movies is Vertigo, and I wonder every time I see it if there was an actual Ernie's there, the high-class SF restaurant in where Jimmy Stewart first sees Kim Novak.

 

[Cliff Varnell]

On 5/6/2020 at 8:15 PM, Ron Ecker said:

I might as well throw in my San Francisco experience, such as it was. I went to a North Beach joint in 1966 and saw a topless all-girl band.

Oh, and I saw an Ecker Street in San Francisco. As I recall it was a dead end.

 

 

 

My favorite San Francisco story is the $23.73 the rent on my roomy Haight Ashbury pad has gone up in 31 years.

Democratic Socialism rocks!

[Pamela Brown]

On 5/5/2020 at 8:53 AM, Joe Bauer said:

Pamela, you know the city, that's for sure.

Why did you ever leave?

I have mentioned earlier in another post how I never liked large cities and their crowded streets and big buildings.

That's absolutely true.

The events I have related here were an anomaly in this regards.

I was taken to these big city locations by a friend who really wanted me to accompany her to them.

I would never have gone to them on my own. Couldn't afford to and actually felt stressed, especially in the penthouse at the Clift, always mindful of the reality of large earthquakes in Calif. And I've never been back to Hawaii or stayed in large city hotels since.

Good memories? Of course. But I almost felt an obligation to visit these places with this friend as a token of my appreciation for her friendship and generosity. It was actually hard in some ways however, because my wife and I had our 1 year old son along with us, who we refused to leave with others at home here in Monterey. Too protective? Maybe.

Couple of other funny side stories. Don Ho show in Honolulu. The guy was so drunk the entire show he could hardly stand up. You could see he was sick of singing "Tiny Bubbles" after doing so 20,000 times. Also, Japan town in S.F. had a bowling alley! Called Japan Bowl. Two separate bowling alley's on two floors! Was told by the front desk person that the first floor alley was for LGTB bowlers and the second floor alley anyone else. I'm sure you could mix though. Only in S.F.!  I do love the liberalism of S.F. despite my feeling stressed when visiting there.

My first husband worked for MONY and we were sent from NYC to SF where he was the Field Sales Director for the Western district.  Their offices were in the Wells Fargo building, which creaked like an old ship, in the wind. We were in SF for two years and then sent to Boston for 2 years.  The team he was on lost out to go back to NYC as the top MONY execs, so they bought an insurance company, North American Life and Casualty, in Minneapolis, from a guy named H.P. Skoglund, and sent us out to the boonies.  

My first child was six weeks old when we left SF, and it was very difficult for me.  

Ironically, Richard's boss, the Regional VP,  lived in Hawaii for some time and was best friends with Don Ho.

We lived on the edge of Nihonmachi, Japan Town, across from the Miyako Hotel with the Japanese Trade Center just down the street.  It was a stunningly beautiful neighborhood.  

We did go through one earthquake, while I was pregnant, and, being on the 13th floor,  that was something of an event. It was the Santa Rosa quake, in October 1969.  And then, I had seen RFK on Montgomery Street a few days before he was killed, so that was traumatic. Also, that August, Sharon Tate and her unborn child were killed, with others, by Charles Manson, so I had come to think CA was a dangerous place.  Still, it is exquisite, and I will always want to be there...

Edited June 11, 2020 by Pamela Brown

[Joe Bauer]

My wife drove me up to the city last year for a visit to one of the UCSF medical clinics.

This was at their Parnassus location.

I don't drive out of our local area anymore due to massive anxiety and panic attacks.

I just can't handle highway and big city traffic anymore.

However, this trip turned into a panic attack one for my wife as well.

We hadn't been in the Bay Area for many years. The traffic situation is so packed on every highway up there and we hit it during the mid-morning rush hour. Hard to believe how many cars are on the road up there.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Joe Bauer