The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

[Matt Allison]

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Whatever your political views, can anyone explain why a hearsay witness (Carrie Hutchinson)

Her name is Cassidy Hutchinson. Not Carrie. She's not a hearsay witness. She was there. The people around her? That also saw this stuff? Refuse to testify. I imagine they think they'll end up in prison. Which is where traitors belong, isn't it?

 

Btw that Ray Epps BS you were hoping to shovel? Not looking good for you there:

 

[Kirk Gallaway]

1 hour ago, Matt Allison said:

Her name is Cassidy Hutchinson. Not Carrie. She's not a hearsay witness. She was there. The people around her? That also saw this stuff? Refuse to testify. I imagine they think they'll end up in prison. Which is where traitors belong, isn't it?

 

Btw that Ray Epps BS you were hoping to shovel? Not looking good for you there:

 

7 new BenSpams decrying the death of an Al Quaida member, and ignoring a Trump- Josh Bolton failed coup involving no less than 30 million Venezuelans! (oh but Trump was for peace! right Ben!)

Then Ben's populist idols feeding him evidence that Ray Eps was an FBI agent. Any compassion for how those derelicts ruined his life? Of course not! Ray Eps was a least a dozen BenSpams, probably as many as his alarmist spams about the coming Deer  Tic Pandemic! If you take out repeated posts, Ben probably has 100 posts on this  thread, instead of approaching 1000 posts. Then when you weed out the bad preparation, poorly researched, launched  with titanic  expectations and resulting with egg on his face posts, what have we got, maybe 2 dozen good posts?  I'm just estimating. I suppose some of it's subjective.

Oh and speaking of bad preparation!

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Kirk Gallaway

[Benjamin Cole]

1 hour ago, Matt Allison said:

Her name is Cassidy Hutchinson. Not Carrie. She's not a hearsay witness. She was there. The people around her? That also saw this stuff? Refuse to testify. I imagine they think they'll end up in prison. Which is where traitors belong, isn't it?

 

Btw that Ray Epps BS you were hoping to shovel? Not looking good for you there:

 

I say this sadly: The NYT has told us the Wuhan lab leak theory was debunked, that Brian Sicknick was murdered by racist Trumpers after blows to the head by a fire extinguisher, and that Hunter Biden's laptop was planted by Russian spies, and was a Moscow disinformation story. 

Now, a guy (Ray Epps) wearing a MAGA cap and who for two days exhorted people to "go into" the Capitol is given the humanizing treatment by the NYT.

Usually, anyone who wears a MAGA cap is equal to dog doo-doo in NYT-land, but Ray Epps has been sanctified. Like Liz "Eggface" Cheney--a New Donk hero! 

Was Ray Epps a federal asset? The NYT says authorities say he wasn't (or won't say), and that Epps says he wasn't.

As for there being state assets, provocateurs, in the 1/6 scrum who instigated violence....has that even ever been investigated? 

I am keeping an open mind on the 1/6 scrum. Security appeared deliberately light at the Capitol, and then stood down.  So far, no indication of connections between people in the scrum and the White House, despite all the powers of the panopticon state. 

The use of violent provocateurs to instigate or trigger a crowd, to smear a group or movement is hardly unknown....

The blue or red narratives can be ignored....

 

 

[Bob Ness]

4 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Whatever your political views, can anyone explain why a hearsay witness (Carrie Hutchinson) was put on national TV at the 1/6 hearings (an emergency session!), but the actual witnesses to the gigantically important tussle inside the President limo have not even been asked (let alone subpoenaed) to testify?

Uh gee Ben maybe you should check your posts. Hutchinson testified to what she was present for. Anything she had knowledge of but wasn't able to claim first-hand knowledge of she indicated during her testimony and deposition.

Many of the Trump staff and allies have been invited to testify and defend Trump but have either refused, done so behind closed doors or have been subpoenaed (see Mr. 5th, Mike Flynn). Often times DoJ will ask for a deferral of public testimony or release of depositions because of conflicts with their investigations.

Maybe you're not aware but a Congressional Hearing is not a trial. A trial would have certain rules of evidence which would exclude anything that is not germane to the specific charges brought against the defendant and subject to cross examination.

The Trump rabble has rallied to a reporter who lied and said it was debunked but in fact the story has not. SS gossip about the incident has been around for months apparently and the SS has not put out a denial or confirmation.

She testified to what Ornato had told her not to the incident itself and Ornato has lied about other ""recollections" in dispute.

[Benjamin Cole]

1 hour ago, Bob Ness said:

Uh gee Ben maybe you should check your posts. Hutchinson testified to what she was present for. Anything she had knowledge of but wasn't able to claim first-hand knowledge of she indicated during her testimony and deposition.

Many of the Trump staff and allies have been invited to testify and defend Trump but have either refused, done so behind closed doors or have been subpoenaed (see Mr. 5th, Mike Flynn). Often times DoJ will ask for a deferral of public testimony or release of depositions because of conflicts with their investigations.

Maybe you're not aware but a Congressional Hearing is not a trial. A trial would have certain rules of evidence which would exclude anything that is not germane to the specific charges brought against the defendant and subject to cross examination.

The Trump rabble has rallied to a reporter who lied and said it was debunked but in fact the story has not. SS gossip about the incident has been around for months apparently and the SS has not put out a denial or confirmation.

She testified to what Ornato had told her not to the incident itself and Ornato has lied about other ""recollections" in dispute.

Bob Ness:

Well, thanks for commenting, and we have different viewpoints, and that is fine. 

At least we agree that a congressional hearing is not a trial.

Given the partisan nature of Washington, what is the purpose of scripted televised congressional hearings? 

I am happy to assent to however the courts dispose of Trump, or if they exonerate him. 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

2 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

7 new BenSpams decrying the death of an Al Quaida member, and ignoring a Trump- Josh Bolton failed coup involving no less than 30 million Venezuelans! (oh but Trump was for peace! right Ben!)

Then Ben's populist idols feeding him evidence that Ray Eps was an FBI agent. Any compassion for how those derelicts ruined his life? Of course not! Ray Eps was a least a dozen BenSpams, probably as many as his alarmist spams about the coming Deer  Tic Pandemic! If you take out repeated posts, Ben probably has 100 posts on this  thread, instead of approaching 1000 posts. Then when you weed out the bad preparation, poorly researched, launched  with titanic  expectations and resulting with egg on his face posts, what have we got, maybe 2 dozen good posts?  I'm just estimating. I suppose some of it's subjective.

Oh and speaking of bad preparation!

 

Hello Kirk. I hope all is well with you. 

[Douglas Caddy]

 

 

[Douglas Caddy]

 

 

[Joe Bauer]

12 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

 

 

HA HA HA HA WHOOOO HA!

Thanks for getting my morning off to a laughing good start!

And one must not forget...THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ HIMSELF- DJT!

And the Good witch of the North ( Elizabeth Warren.) 

 

[Bill Fite]

13 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Ron-

My understanding is that in Europe, voter ID is required before voting. I do not know if they have absentee voting. 

Interesting topic. 

 

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PARIS -- French voters in Sunday's presidential election will use the same system that's been used for generations: paper ballots that are cast in person and counted by hand. Despite periodic calls for more flexibility or modernization, France doesn’t do mail-in voting, early voting or use voting machines en masse like the United States. President Emmanuel Macron is the clear front-runner, though an unprecedented proportion of people say they are unsure who they will vote for or whether they will vote at all. 

PAPER BALLOTS

Voters must be at least 18 years old. About 48.7 million French are registered on the electoral rolls of the place where they live.

Voters make their choices in a booth, with the curtains closed, then place their ballot in an envelope that is then put into a transparent ballot box. They must show photo identification and sign a document, next to their name, to complete the process. 

Volunteers count the ballots one by one. Officials will then use state-run software to register and report results more efficiently. 

But legally only the paper counts. If a result is challenged, the paper ballots are recounted manually. 

PROXY VOTING 

People who can't go to the polls for various reasons can authorize someone else to vote for them. 

To do so, a voter must fill out a form ahead of time and bring it to a police station. A person can be the proxy of no more than one voter living in France — and potentially one additional person living abroad.

Up to 7% of people voted by proxy in the last presidential election five years ago.

NO MAIL-IN VOTING, RARE MACHINE-VOTING

Mail-in voting was banned in 1975 amid fears of potential fraud. 

Machine-voting was allowed as an experiment starting in 2002, but the purchase of new machines has been frozen since 2008 due to security concerns. Only a few dozens towns still use them. 

Last year, Macron's centrist government tried to pass an amendment to allow early voting by machine to encourage electoral participation amid the COVID-19 pandemic. The Senate, led by a conservative majority, rejected the measure, arguing it was announced with too little notice and was not solid enough legally.

COVID-19 MEASURES 

 

Most COVID-19 restrictions have been lifted in the country. Though the number of cases is significantly lower than earlier this year, infections have been creeping up again for several weeks, reaching over 130,000 new confirmed cases each day. 

People who test positive for the virus can go to the polls. They are strongly advised to wear a mask and follow other health guidelines. 

Voters can wash their hands at polling stations, which will also have hand sanitizer available. Equipment will be frequently cleaned. Each voting station will let fresh air in for at least 10 minutes every hour. 

TWO-ROUND SYSTEM

France's presidential election is organized in two rounds. Twelve candidates met the conditions for Sunday's vote, including Macron and French nationalist leader Marine Le Pen, his main challenger. 

In theory, someone could win outright by garnering more than 50% of the vote in the first round, but that has never happened in France. 

In practice, the two top contenders qualify for a runoff, with the winner chosen on April 24.

 

Link to article

Other significant differences:

• The election is only for one position -- president.
• There are no primaries -- you can vote for any of the 12 candidates who qualified -- they've had 500 mayors sign their petition to run (IIRC).
• 2 weeks later is the parliamentary representative election
• You can vote a blank piece of paper --> none of the above.
• Elections are held on Sundays when most stores are closed and people are off and not on a workday.

[Kirk Gallaway]

Yikes!, I guess Trump is running out of cut outs! He now has directly tried to witness tamper with a phone call to a White House staffer who I believe is to testify next week! The 1/6 committee has notified the DOJ! I guess it can't get any more direct than this!

Wheeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

hehe

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/12/jan-6-committee-notifies-doj-that-trump-tried-tampering-with-one-of-its-witnesses-cheney-says.html

/www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/cheney-says-trump-called-jan-6-committee-witness-last-hearing-rcna37923

[W. Niederhut]

10 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

Uh gee Ben maybe you should check your posts. Hutchinson testified to what she was present for. Anything she had knowledge of but wasn't able to claim first-hand knowledge of she indicated during her testimony and deposition.

Many of the Trump staff and allies have been invited to testify and defend Trump but have either refused, done so behind closed doors or have been subpoenaed (see Mr. 5th, Mike Flynn). Often times DoJ will ask for a deferral of public testimony or release of depositions because of conflicts with their investigations.

Maybe you're not aware but a Congressional Hearing is not a trial. A trial would have certain rules of evidence which would exclude anything that is not germane to the specific charges brought against the defendant and subject to cross examination.

The Trump rabble has rallied to a reporter who lied and said it was debunked but in fact the story has not. SS gossip about the incident has been around for months apparently and the SS has not put out a denial or confirmation.

She testified to what Ornato had told her not to the incident itself and Ornato has lied about other ""recollections" in dispute.

Hopefully, Ben and Rob Wheeler will eventually watch the historic J6 hearings and learn the truth about Cassidy Hutchinson's real name and her damning firsthand witness testimony. 

But I suspect that they will continue to spend most of their time doomscrolling in the MAGA-verse, and keeping us apprised of the Hunter Biden laptop news.  🤥

[Joe Bauer]

15 minutes ago, Bill Fite said:

Link to article

Other significant differences:

• The election is only for one position -- president.
• There are no primaries -- you can vote for any of the 12 candidates who qualified -- they've had 500 mayors sign their petition to run (IIRC).
• 2 weeks later is the parliamentary representative election
• You can vote a blank piece of paper --> none of the above.
• Elections are held on Sundays when most stores are closed and people are off and not on a workday.

Bien mal acquis ne profite jamais. 

Mangez bien, riez souvent, aimez beaucoup. 

[Douglas Caddy]

 

Former MS gov. ordered $1.1 million payment of welfare funds to Brett Farve, court docs reveal (msn.com)

[Bill Fite]

41 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Bien mal acquis ne profite jamais. 

Mangez bien, riez souvent, aimez beaucoup. 

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