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6 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Cheers David, that's well worth a look, particularly for those who are more sceptical. I have read 3 or 4 of her books, she's a pretty good author. "The Pentagon's Brain" is the one I thought was the best, a real eye opener,. 

 

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1 hour ago, Chris Barnard said:

Cheers David, that's well worth a look, particularly for those who are more sceptical. I have read 3 or 4 of her books, she's a pretty good author. "The Pentagon's Brain" is the one I thought was the best, a real eye opener,. 

 

Jacobsen gets access at DoD and DARPA, supposedly because she's evenhanded and classy.  I wonder about a thing like this, though:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/25/usa.september11

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25 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

Well, let's look at the path of the third reich in WW2. Their rise and recruitment was under the guise of socialism and a leftist ideology. Then when in power, they did all of these unthinkable things that we remember as the right. The truth is the path to tyranny is most easily facilitated through 'collectivism' and the 'greater good'. 

"Beware a wolf in sheep's clothing ..." 

Recent events are making Orwell & Huxley seem very prescient, in many ways. If anyone wants me to elaborate on that, I am happy to. We're so unfamiliar with how tyranny takes a grip and where it leads, our comfort, timidity and apathy is the greatest threat to our existence, all were clearly outlined in the words of RFK's 1965 south Africa ripples of hope speech. 

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8 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

Well, let's look at the path of the third reich in WW2. Their rise and recruitment was under the guise of socialism and a leftist ideology. Then when in power, they did all of these unthinkable things that we remember as the right. The truth is the path to tyranny is most easily facilitated through 'collectivism' and the 'greater good'. 

"Beware a wolf in sheep's clothing ..." 

Recent events are making Orwell & Huxley seem very prescient, in many ways. If anyone wants me to elaborate on that, I am happy to. We're so unfamiliar with how tyranny takes a grip and where it leads, our comfort, timidity and apathy is the greatest threat to our existence, all were clearly outlined in the words of RFK's 1965 south Africa ripples of hope speech. 

Chris,

     From what I have read on the subject, recruitment by Hitler, Goebbels, and the nascent N-a-z-i Party prior to 1932 was based mainly on resentment and grandiose appeals to nationalism, racism, and paranoia-- fascism. The main identified enemies of the N-a-z-i Party were Jews and liberal socialists in the Weimar Republic.

     Hitler's early support was strongest in the ranks of right wing ex-military and police types who comprised the SA-- eerily similar to Trump's hard core militant base in the U.S. today.

     Ultimately, the capitalists and wealthy industrialists in Germany-- I.G. Farben, Krupps, et.al.--  aligned themselves with the N-a-z-i-s, because they viewed them as a fascist bulwark against communism.

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18 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

     Ultimately, the capitalists and wealthy industrialists in Germany-- I.G. Farben, Krupps, et.al.--  aligned themselves with the N-a-z-i-s, because they viewed them as a fascist bulwark against communism.

And how much of the fear of communism and socialism, in post-WWII Europe and the Americas, has been a fear of popular uprising, one so evulsive as to be willing to commit itself to an antithetical political system?

For social services purposes, an individual income of $58,450 or less annually is now considered low income in the New York Metro Area.

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4 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Chris,

     From what I have read on the subject, recruitment by Hitler, Goebbels, and the nascent N-a-z-i Party prior to 1932 was based mainly on resentment and grandiose appeals to nationalism, racism, and paranoia-- fascism. The main identified enemies of the N-a-z-i Party were Jews and liberal socialists in the Weimar Republic.

     Hitler's early support was strongest in the ranks of right wing ex-military and police types who comprised the SA-- eerily similar to Trump's hard core militant base in the U.S. today.

     Ultimately, the capitalists and wealthy industrialists in Germany-- I.G. Farben, Krupps, et.al.--  aligned themselves with the N-a-z-i-s, because they viewed them as a fascist bulwark against communism.

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Of course, I share with you a revulsion of the N-a-z-i-s and Hitler. 

But your Trump-Hitler analogy looks squishy, no? 

Who is tighter with the US military-foreign policy blob, Trump or Hillary?  

The modern US ruling corporate class, that is the Apples, the Teslas, the GMs, the BlackRocks, the Goldman Sachs, the WalMarts, the Disneys or the affiliated think tanks, lobbyists, foundations, Bain & Co's, etc----they seem much tighter with the Hillary wing than with Trump. 

Moreover, this same foreign-policy blob is deeply in bed with China, and that means the CCP. 

You notice how M$M wants you to be obsessed with the fringe right in the US...rather than with the CCP. 

Remember the old anti-communism days? What happened? 

BTW, Jimmy Lai was a publisher in Hong Kong. Extremely decent 73-year-old guy, ran successful publications, was loudly pro-democracy. For that sin, Lai's publishing empire is being liquidated, and the CCP has him in prison.  Yes, prison. 

Google it, or duck duck go. 

But those 600 lulu's at the Capitol...that is the real threat? 

 

 

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5 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Chris,

     From what I have read on the subject, recruitment by Hitler, Goebbels, and the nascent N-a-z-i Party prior to 1932 was based mainly on resentment and grandiose appeals to nationalism, racism, and paranoia-- fascism. The main identified enemies of the N-a-z-i Party were Jews and liberal socialists in the Weimar Republic.

     Hitler's early support was strongest in the ranks of right wing ex-military and police types who comprised the SA-- eerily similar to Trump's hard core militant base in the U.S. today.

     Ultimately, the capitalists and wealthy industrialists in Germany-- I.G. Farben, Krupps, et.al.--  aligned themselves with the N-a-z-i-s, because they viewed them as a fascist bulwark against communism.

Hi William,
 

I posted this 3 hour long audiobook called “Nietzsche & The N____” by Stephen Hicks the other day as I thought it would be an interesting read for you guys enthused about history or psychology.

 

What the author does is highlights the origins and motivations of some of these key figures like Hitler and Goebbels and analyses their motivations and what shaped them. TBH it isn’t the MSM narrative we are mostly fed or, what or was taught at school. There is a really good breakdown of the psychological reasons and also the way Nietzsche was interpreted correctly and incorrectly by the NZ’s. It may not be convenient but, their ideaology (NZ’s) does come from the left and morphs into something else, again collectivism and the greater good is the facilitator. It’s very interesting. This author isn’t alone in thinking these thoughts, Jordan Peterson’s lectures on this topic also reflect similar findings. He doesn’t think Hitler was a mad man in general (only in the sense that he chose to use resources to kill more Jews, gypsies and Slavs, over actually trying to win the war) or a guy driven by failing to get into art college in Vienna, there was so much more to it than that. 
 

i’d highly recommend you have a listen, if you have time. I didn’t even know the book burnings were by students, as opposed to a party organised event. They were a product of the Prussian style education system and propaganda. Does that sound a bit like ‘cancel culture’ and the post modernist blight on academia now, combined with the MSM propaganda and censorship? My German friend had a read of it and he agreed with this point of view. 


Cheers,

 

Chris

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I cam across this BBC production the other day, Orwell’’s final warning, which is very moving. 
 

Turns out that Aldous Huxley was his French teacher at Eton, what are the chances?! Those two are looking very prescient in 2021. 

 

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FYI we’ve had a fuel shortage driven mostly by MSM in Britain over the past week and we’ve lost a couple of energy providers too. Are you seeing any such thing in the USA? 
 

Makes me think of this quote:
 

“In [totalitarianism] shortages of material goods, even of necessities, were not a drawback but a great advantage for the rulers. These shortages were not accidental to the terror, but one of its most powerful instruments. Not only did shortages keep people’s minds strictly on bread and sausage, and divert their energies to procuring them so that there was no time or inclination left over for subversion, but the shortages meant that people could be brought to inform, spy and betray each other very cheaply. . .”  

Theodore Dalrymple

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Chris,

     You might be interested in a book that I read a few years ago, written by a fellow at the National Holocaust Museum, about the influence of the Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen on Hitler-- Ibsen and Hitler: The Playwright, the Plagiarist, and the Plot for the Third Reich.

     It turns out that Hitler was obsessed with the plays of Henrik Ibsen, which had a major influence on his worldview.   One of his deranged, early mentors in the N-a-z-i Party, Dietrich Eckart, was a translator of Ibsen's Peer Gynt, and the term, "Third Reich" was borrowed from Ibsen's play, Emperor and Galilean, based on the reign of the Roman Emperor Julian "the Apostate."

    At his trial following the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler stated that his occupation was, "Master Builder," the title of another Ibsen play.

https://www.amazon.com/Ibsen-Hitler-Playwright-Plagiarist-Third/dp/0786719354

Ibsen and Hitler: The Playwright, the Plagiarist, and the Plot for the  Third Reich by Steven F. Sage

 

 

 

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On 2/20/2021 at 11:32 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Chris:

Is that Hunter Thompson note for real?

Its almost too good to be true. Somebody understood that had happened that day, not so much forensically, but the blow to the American psyche that had been delivered.

Truly insightful.

Thanks.

.Even better --and more prescient--were the writings of M.S. Arnoni, published in the Minority of One ("TMO").  The incremental escalation of the Vietnam conflict (Spring 1965), and then the Americanization of that conflict, was discerned --and commented upon --by Arnoni.  DSL (10/7/21)

 

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An interesting video highlighting of hypocrisy regarding the leaders pushing the climate change movement. Yet most people are accepting as they see these people as gods, and beyond reproach. Imagine acquiescing and endorsing a two tier society, the very opposite of equality for all people. 

 

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I have been returning to the Education Forum for insight and inspiration regularly for about a decade now, and am so thankful to continue finding them in such abundance here. Thanks especially to you, Chris.

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