Conspiracy Theories & The Media: JFK & Beyond ....

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Clinical psychologist, lecturer and author, Jordan B. Petereson talks with Dave Rubin about over reaching bureaucrats being the biggest threat to society. Also regrets have Covid jabs. 

 

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On 11/9/2021 at 5:03 PM, Steven Kossor said:

I have been returning to the Education Forum for insight and inspiration regularly for about a decade now, and am so thankful to continue finding them in such abundance here. Thanks especially to you, Chris.

Thank you for the kind words, Steven. 

Did you ever get the chance to read Joos Merloo's book; "The rape of the mind" ?
https://ia803103.us.archive.org/15/items/TheRapeOfTheMind1961/1961 - Rape of the Mind - Joost Meerloo.pdf
It's a very compelling read about how any individual can be psychologically broken down and coerced, using some methods originally derived in POW camps in the Korean War. The psychologist, Merloo was actually captured and interrogated by the Third Reich in WW2 in Holland. 

[Steven Kossor]

I knew about parts of this book and that it explained a great deal about the uses and effectiveness of hypnotic methods for propaganda purposes.  I didn't realize that it covered so much more ground!  Thanks again for this link to a body of knowledge that is understandably under-reported.  What prompted you to accumulate such a robust reservoir of understanding about coercive practices?

[Ron Bulman]

1 hour ago, Steven Kossor said:

I knew about parts of this book and that it explained a great deal about the uses and effectiveness of hypnotic methods for propaganda purposes.  I didn't realize that it covered so much more ground!  Thanks again for this link to a body of knowledge that is understandably under-reported.  What prompted you to accumulate such a robust reservoir of understanding about coercive practices?

Steven, you seem knowledgeable about many things I'm not well read on.  Given your interest in mental health and fly fishing I wonder if you've ever looked into James Jesus Angleton?  I think he was brilliant but insane, nutty as a fruitcake.  I like fly fishing myself. 

Edited November 16, 2021 by Ron Bulman

[Steven Kossor]

The highest echelons of the CIA seem to have been populated by a disproportionate number of physically handicapped individuals (Allen Dulles and "The Poisoner in Chief" at the CIA who held sway over the MK Ultra project had club feet if I'm not mistaken), and having a hairlip certainly contributed to the weight on Humes' psyche that would be assuaged by obeying orders and rising in a military hierarchy.  Some of the cruelest and most nefarious people in history had significant burdens in the way of physical challenges with which to contend, and the "vending machine approach to human interpersonal relations" that often characterizes people with significant Autism symptoms (the "highest functioning" people with that symptom configuration used to be diagnosed with "Asperger's Syndrome") lends itself to ignoring the wants, needs and aspirations of other people in pursuit of personal gain.  Think of the leaders in the Social Media realm, for example.  In the wake of the Nuremberg trials, psychologists tried to figure out the "mind set" that typified the National Socialist Party leaders, and discovered that those people who most closely matched the Nazis insofar at their perception tendencies and orientation to living based on responses to inkblot cards, were US businessmen. Trump comes to mind (although not as an especially noteworthy businessman).  I'll have a look at the Angleton book soon. I'm looking forward to doing more fly fishing in the spring!!!

Edited November 16, 2021 by Steven Kossor
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1 hour ago, Steven Kossor said:

The highest echelons of the CIA seem to have been populated by a disproportionate number of physically handicapped individuals (Allen Dulles and "The Poisoner in Chief" at the CIA who held sway over the MK Ultra project had club feet if I'm not mistaken), and having a hairlip certainly contributed to the weight on Humes' psyche that would be assuaged by obeying orders and rising in a military hierarchy.  Some of the cruelest and most nefarious people in history had significant burdens in the way of physical challenges with which to contend, and the "vending machine approach to human interpersonal relations" that often characterizes people with significant Autism symptoms (the "highest functioning" people with that symptom configuration used to be diagnosed with "Asperger's Syndrome") lends itself to ignoring the wants, needs and aspirations of other people in pursuit of personal gain.  Think of the leaders in the Social Media realm, for example.  In the wake of the Nuremberg trials, psychologists tried to figure out the "mind set" that typified the National Socialist Party leaders, and discovered that those people who most closely matched the Nazis insofar at their perception tendencies and orientation to living based on responses to inkblot cards, were US businessmen. Trump comes to mind (although not as an especially noteworthy businessman).  I'll have a look at the Angleton book soon. I'm looking forward to doing more fly fishing in the spring!!!

They are interesting observations. When you mention their physical deficiencies or differences, it made me think of the way police look for a serial killer who disfigures his victims, they look for medical records of people with physical disfigurements themselves as possible perpetrators. ie the disfigurement or disability causes them to be resentful or hateful. They are perhaps things that they were ostracised from society for, or were teased as children about. A cleft pallet or a club foot. Also, a person can be just not physically gifted at sports, so they develop in the fields they can, focusing on that, they can still carry that resentment. 

I don't know enough about Angleton but, I'd assume he was very high functioning, introverted, a deep thinker, who spent much of his time in his own mind working through complex problems. He would have had a tremendous imagination and creativity to come up with the devious plots that we lay at his door. He'd have been the kind of guy you'd want on your side, not as an enemy. Malvern College, Harvard & Yale educated. I think for all of us who love fishing, it's our meditation, we play out our ancient effort vs reward system in the brain that makes us feel good, releasing dopamine. We simulate being a hunter gatherer, lose ourselves in nature, get some vitamin D and exercise which releases serotonin, which also makes us feel euphoric. I would hazard a guess that if Angleton loved his fly fishing, that it was the only place where he was free of his heavy thinking about CIA stuff. I would say consuming 150-200 unites of alcohol per week, that he had a lot on his mind and wanted to escape. He also was a poet as a young man.

Does this mirror Cord Meyer a little too? He was an idealist like JFK before the war, he lost the sight in one eye and joined the CIA, taking a different path, a malevolent one

JFK was an introvert too, also had physical deficiencies, the ingredients to be the above. Looking at his life, he had money, looks, was good at chasing girls, and a great family support network. That combination made him something very different. 

[Steven Kossor]

All of the factors that contributed to JFK's life trajectory were missing or disfigured in the lives of the CIA guys, and I agree that carrying resentment over past injustices is at the root of much malevolence; the smarter the victim of injustice, the more furiously their malevolence erupts later in life when the opportunity presents itself.

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Sounds very much like the JFKA records which many of us are waiting on with bated breath. Imagine thinking that this sounds reasonable, or like coincidence. 
 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

Edited November 19, 2021 by Chris Barnard

[Paul Bacon]

Sorry, but the word is "bated" not "baited".  I have "baited" breath when I wake up in the morning.

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18 minutes ago, Paul Bacon said:

Sorry, but the word is "bated" not "baited".  I have "baited" breath when I wake up in the morning.

Cheers, i'll correct it, was a quick messaged fired out after waking up. 

[Paul Brancato]

On 11/19/2021 at 2:50 AM, Chris Barnard said:

Sounds very much like the JFKA records which many of us are waiting on with bated breath. Imagine thinking that this sounds reasonable, or like coincidence. 
 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

That’s incredible, and shocking. 
 

[David Andrews]

On 11/19/2021 at 6:53 AM, Chris Barnard said:

Cheers, i'll correct it, was a quick messaged fired out after waking up. 

For my fellow pedants: "bated" is short for "abated," meaning one held one's breath in anticipation.  It should really be rendered as, 'bated breath, but we lost the apostrophe in our headlong rush to modernity.

Edited November 21, 2021 by David Andrews

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3 hours ago, David Andrews said:

For my fellow pedants: "bated" is short for "abated," meaning one held one's breath in anticipation.  It should really be rendered as, 'bated breath, but we lost the apostrophe in our headlong rush to modernity.

Thank you David, my main issue is that I write the word 'baited' a lot, as one of my hobbies is fishing, I end up writing reports. 

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8 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

That’s incredible, and shocking. 
 

Unfortunately, there is little that is shocking to me in these uncertain times, Paul. Whether we interpret the suppression as "we know best governance" or, as a corruption; it's terrible either way for those who cherish democracy and believe that government should be rule for the people by the people. We are in the midst of something very different, the kind of thing that JFK and others warned against. Citizens pay their taxes to fund these guys, and the data. 

[David Andrews]

1 hour ago, Chris Barnard said:

Thank you David, my main issue is that I write the word 'baited' a lot, as one of my hobbies is fishing, I end up writing reports. 

That's OK: most people would stickle for "really should" in place of my "should really."