Spectacular Glenn Greenwald Follow-on to Tucker Carlson

[Kirk Gallaway]

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

You realize the Capitol Police arrested almost no one on Jan. 6? 

Imagine. Rioters are inside the Capitol. There are only so many exits. The Capitol Police have 3,500 officers. The DC Metro Police have 2,500 officers. Everyone has working phones and communication equipment. 

But...more than 99.9% of the rioters leave, unmolested. 

Ben: Do you realize the Capitol Police arrested no one that day?.

The truth is for over a year, you maintained that  only a couple of rioters were carrying  firearms ( we won't mention all the other types of weapons they were carrying), and we kept telling you the majority of rioters were not arrested at the Capitol, but later, so how could you know?  But you just couldn't bring yourself to believe it and now you're concocting another conspiracy  theory that it was all an FBI sting.

What don't you understand? The most logical conclusion is when they end up arriving in force late is that it ended up being a decision to avoid a potential massacre, to not polarize the national situation  any further. Of course, you can't win. Now  you're  throwing around conspiracy theories about why the government didn't just massacre them???

If Trump was stupid enough to actually show up at the Capitol with the rioters, (which I suspect was all a ruse),that  would have been political suicide for Trump, and you would have attributed it all to Trump falling into an FBI sting!

 

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by Kirk Gallaway

[W. Niederhut]

54 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:

Willam you lost me at Russian Mafia and Trump 🤪Thanks for illustrating Larry's point that the left flipped and actively believes whatever the Intelligence agencies tell them. There are so many errors in your bad faith argument, kinda surprised you're not embarrassed writing that many untrue things in one post. 

Mathew,

     What's embarrassing is your persistent ignorance about Trump's longstanding involvement with the Russian mafia and Putin's oligarchs.  And my information on those subjects didn't come from intelligence agencies.   It came from investigative journalists.

     You obviously didn't read the references that I posted for you on that subject by Russ Baker, (from March of 2017) and by British author Catherine Belton (2020.)

     Baker published a series of articles about Trump's involvement with the Russian mafia in the spring of 2017.  

     Ignorance may be bliss, but your willful ignorance is inexcusable.

 

1)    Behind-the-Scenes Interview on Exclusive Trump-Russia-FBI Story - WhoWhatWhy

 

  2)   Putin's People: How the KGB Took Back Russia and Then Took On the West: Belton, Catherine: 9780374238711: Amazon.com: Books

[Lawrence Schnapf]

i dont understand why some of you persist to debate Trump, the russian mafia or January 6th. Isnt this thread about if Tucker Carlson and the possibility that the GOP-controlled House may be willing to conduct oversight hearings.    

[Benjamin Cole]

10 minutes ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:

i dont understand why some of you persist to debate Trump, the russian mafia or January 6th. Isnt this thread about if Tucker Carlson and the possibility that the GOP-controlled House may be willing to conduct oversight hearings.    

Amen. And also why the Senate is not firing up a no-holds-barred Church Committee II.

[W. Niederhut]

39 minutes ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:

i dont understand why some of you persist to debate Trump, the russian mafia or January 6th. Isnt this thread about if Tucker Carlson and the possibility that the GOP-controlled House may be willing to conduct oversight hearings.    

Larry,

It can't be said any more precisely and clearly than I said it (above.)

Republicans aren't heroic adversaries of the Deep State.  They only "discovered" Peter Dale Scott's "Deep State" in 2017, after Trump and his propagandists in the media began trying to blame Trump's Russiagate scandal on the Deep State (the FBI, in particular.)  So, they cooked up an endless series of nothing burgers-- Obamagate, Spygate, Nunes Memo, misrepresentation of the Mueller Report, Durham Report, etc.

Similarly, Trump and his media propagandists have been trying to blame Trump's January 6th coup attempt on the Deep State-- e.g., the "patriot purge" narrative.  It's a ruse.

IMO, Kevin McCarthy and his Sedition Caucus-- Jim Jordan, Scott Perry, Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar, et.al.-- are mainly interested in undermining the DOJ investigation of Trump's multi-faceted efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.  They aren't heroic truth seekers-- just the opposite. That's why they refused to comply with their Congressional subpoenas last year.

If you and Tucker Carlson can inspire the 118th Congress to push for the release of the JFK records, that would be great.

But, IMO, the Republicans' main agenda in "investigating" the Deep State is to obstruct the investigation and prosecution of their J6 crimes.

And where were these heroic Republican truth seekers (including Tucker Carlson) when Trump blocked the release of the JFK records in 2017 and 2018?

Edited January 9, 2023 by W. Niederhut

[Kirk Gallaway]

25 minutes ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:

Isnt this thread about if Tucker Carlson and the possibility that the GOP-controlled House may be willing to conduct oversight hearings.    

No Larry, check the title,  Ben's opening post most makes no reference to the oversight hearings.

Ben's  subject  is "Spectacular Glenn Greenwald", who knows less about the JFKA than even Tucker..

We can talk about other things. Like "Who is Glenn Grenwald" is relevant. If you want to refer to Tucker, there's already about  8 posts from a month ago you can use. Though true , nothing recently.

If we may digress, Somebody here asked what Greenwald's real politics are. What he doesn't want you to know is that he started out as a corporate lawyer on Wall Street.

 

He is a corporate Libertarian, and will literally badmouth anyone as a Socialist.

Starting at 6:40 Glenn tells you Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson and Steve Banon are all Socialists!!. Sam Seder attributes that to Greenwald coming "off the rails" but doesn't  Greenwald comes off very rational? This is the way he feels!

 

To anyone who may not know what  Corporate Libertarianism is. One day, they'll come up to you and say :

This "public roads thing" just isn't working out! But you'll love this!

 

 

[Lawrence Schnapf]

@Benjamin Cole

Perhaps the reason why the Senate has not been anxious to create a Church II committee is reflected by Kim Strassel's WSJ piece on December 29th that said "Memories are short, but Republicans might recall that the Church Committee did far more harm than good. It exposed a few dumb Central Intelligence Agency plots, but at the cost of allowing the left to attack and undermine the U.S. intelligence mission in ways that weakened our capabilities. " See https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-republicans-plan-a-committee-on-censors-and-snoops-gop-free-speech-fbi-requests-subcommittee-11672354486

Unfortunately, this view has become the conventional wisdom in many circles. The committee was also blamed for the deaths of agents. 

[Benjamin Cole]

21 minutes ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:

@Benjamin Cole

Perhaps the reason why the Senate has not been anxious to create a Church II committee is reflected by Kim Strassel's WSJ piece on December 29th that said "Memories are short, but Republicans might recall that the Church Committee did far more harm than good. It exposed a few dumb Central Intelligence Agency plots, but at the cost of allowing the left to attack and undermine the U.S. intelligence mission in ways that weakened our capabilities. " See https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-republicans-plan-a-committee-on-censors-and-snoops-gop-free-speech-fbi-requests-subcommittee-11672354486

Unfortunately, this view has become the conventional wisdom in many circles. The committee was also blamed for the deaths of agents. 

Thanks for the reminder. The PR environment around any national security issue can be radioactive---the quickest way to be dubbed a naive ingrate Russian asset is to challenge establishment national security narratives and outlays. Even the intel agencies have become sacrosanct. 

That said, if a new Church Committee II said it was going scorched earth, but only pertaining to the 60-year-old JFKA, then that would offer some protection. 

The accusation that national security is threatened...seems a bit faint when addressing sources and methods circa 1963. 

[Joe Bauer]

9 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

A coup...in which the relevant police agency---the Capitol Police---didn't show up and then stood down?

You realize the Capitol Police arrested almost no one on Jan. 6? 

Imagine. Rioters are inside the Capitol. There are only so many exits. The Capitol Police have 3,500 officers. The DC Metro Police have 2,500 officers. Everyone has working phones and communication equipment. 

But...more than 99.9% of the rioters leave, unmolested. 

There were three people arrested that day who were carrying firearms, all outside the building itself. 

Many ordinary rioters or occupiers texted in real time they were "let in" to the Capitol. 

The Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers were specifically unarmed---although heavily infiltrated with federal assets. Franky, the infiltration was so heavy it is hard to imagine anyone in those two groups made a move without being watched. Again, all those embedded federal assets had working smartphones. They can call and warn authorities. Did they? 

There is no record of that. So the scrum was spontaneous...or instigated by mute provocateurs? 

The federal government refuses to say if they had assets in the scrum that day, in addition to the Proud Boy and Oath Keeper assets. That's right--you the citizen, or the Congress, cannot be informed about the possible role of federal assets in the scrum that day. 

Mr. Buffalo Horns, despite being rather recognizable, is typical. Despite his unusual presence, he was not arrested but rather turned himself in to the FBI in Arizona, where he was a homeless gadlfy. 

You think you know what happened on Jan. 6? I don't. 

What do you make out of the actions of the Secret Service on Nov. 22? 

Did the Warren Commission solve the true JFKA? 

Keep an open mind. 

We need a "Church Committee II." 

Sadly, I cannot think of any Senators, Donk or 'Phant, who could could objectively prosecute the case and let the chips fall where they may, on Jan. 6 or Nov. 22.

And that's where we are. 

I apologize for using my pet words for the two major political parties. I will buy indulgences. 

PS. I am not divided. I am against both parties.  

Downplaying the Jan.6th 2021 Capital building attack is sickening to me.

My wife and I watched in disbelieve the massive crowd surge with their front lines tearing down metal bar barriers and using them as weapons, hitting Capital police with these and sign sticks, knocking them over, kicking them. Then the physical attack on the building. Hundreds smashing windows, crawling in and opening doors to their fellow mobsters.

Capital police desperately trying to hold these " Kill Nancy Pelosi" "Hang Mike Pence" screaming intruders back and from actually getting to the members of our Congress.

Those police inside as well as the members of Congress were truly fearing for their lives.

3+ hours of life and death fearing hell!

The mob smashing into offices, vandalizing them, even defecating inside the halls and offices.

Thousands in the crowd outside but still " many hundreds" right next to or inside the Capital building.

And that outside crowd was not calling for their fellow maniacs breaching the building to stop.

They were still waving their Trump signs. Shouting support or in the least, doing nothing.

Have you seen the huge body of film of the huge number violent mob doing all these things?

You can't downplay the sheer power of this attack.

Deadly weapons are not just guns. They are improvised weapons, metal fencing pipes, toxic sprays, pounding fists and kicking boots, poles, you name it.

I believe this event set a dangerous precedent in American Democracy denigration.

And I think the recent violent attack by hundreds of extreme right Brazilians against their own Congress was a copycat result of our own.

Our own Jan 6th, 2021 Capital building attack set and inspired a new acceptable violent protest precedent which other countries are now replicating. Especially when they see that the big shots behind ours are not being held accountable.

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Lori Spencer]

Well it’s not the Senate but at least it looks like we will get a new Church Committee of sorts in the House… 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

15 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Downplaying the Jan.6th 2021 Capital building attack is sickening to me.

My wife and I watched in disbelieve the massive crowd surge with their front lines tearing down metal bar barriers and using them as weapons, hitting Capital police with these and sign sticks, knocking them over, kicking them. Then the physical attack on the building. Hundreds smashing windows, crawling in and opening doors to their fellow mobsters.

Capital police desperately trying to hold these " Kill Nancy Pelosi" "Hang Mike Pence" screaming intruders back and from actually getting to the members of our Congress.

Those police inside as well as the members of Congress were truly fearing for their lives.

3+ hours of life and death fearing hell!

The mob smashing into offices, vandalizing them, even defecating inside the halls and offices.

Thousands in the crowd outside but still " many hundreds" right next to or inside the Capital building.

And that outside crowd was not calling for their fellow maniacs breaching the building to stop.

They were still waving their Trump signs. Shouting support or in the least, doing nothing.

Have you seen the huge body of film of the huge number violent mob doing all these things?

You can't downplay the sheer power of this attack.

Deadly weapons are not just guns. They are improvised weapons, metal fencing pipes, toxic sprays, pounding fists and kicking boots, poles, you name it.

I believe this event set a dangerous precedent in American Democracy denigration.

And I think the recent violent attack by hundreds of extreme right Brazilians against their own Congress was a copycat result of our own.

Our own Jan 6th, 2021 Capital building attack set and inspired a new acceptable violent protest precedent which other countries are now replicating. Especially when they see that the big shots behind ours are not being held accountable.

 

JB-

We have to agree to disagree on this one. 

I have reservations about the nature of the event. 

Less said, the better, in this thread....

 

[Benjamin Cole]

14 minutes ago, Lori Spencer said:

Well it’s not the Senate but at least it looks like we will get a new Church Committee of sorts in the House… 

 

Verily, I suspect the election interference was important in theory, but largely ineffectual. 

The JFKA is what I want to see investigated hard and heavy. No holds barred. 

This House "Church Committee" risks becoming another Jan. 6 Committee Gong Show. 

 

[Lori Spencer]

8 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Verily, I suspect the election interference was important in theory, but largely ineffectual. 

The JFKA is what I want to see investigated hard and heavy. No holds barred. 

This House "Church Committee" risks becoming another Jan. 6 Committee Gong Show. 

 

Benjamin, let’s hope that Rep. Massie will be appointed chair. 
 

Like Tucker, Massie is the only one I trust to keep this committee honest. He’s a libertarian and no friend of Trump. 

[Benjamin Cole]

1 minute ago, Lori Spencer said:

Benjamin, let’s hope that Rep. Massie will be appointed chair. 
 

Like Tucker, Massie is the only one I trust to keep this committee honest. He’s a libertarian and no friend of Trump. 

I am no friend of Trump either. 

That does not mean I bow and scrape before national security agencies, or rival pols. 

[Lori Spencer]

1 minute ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I am no friend of Trump either. 

That does not mean I bow and scrape before national security agencies, or rival pols. 

Trump and Massie have had some legendary fights over the years. 😂 

If Massie chairs this committee there’s no way he will allow it to get bogged down in 2020 election stuff. There are more important fish to fry, and he knows it. Also, I know he’s interested in the JFKA. Might be our best hope for this… or rather, our only hope.