Moments Leading to Oswald's Deserved Death

[Denis Morissette]

 

[Sean Coleman]

Wow, 7 YouTube videos in a row to review Denis! 
Thanks for these links, I’m not sure how to access YouTube, so this makes it easy! 
Also thanks for not adding any words- they just get in the way and make me waste time using my eyes reading instead of just watching. 
I get bored sometimes and just repeatedly hit computer keys, but 7 times in a row!! New heights!!!

You must have been REALLY bored 2 hrs ago.

keep up the good work?

[Robert Burrows]

This is sick and extremely offensive. Obviously you don't believe in the rule of law. In the United States, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law: Oswald was denied that right. No one accused of a crime deserves summary execution. 

 

[Joe Bauer]

The video above begs so many disturbing questions.

Oswald safety concerned Katzenbach says he contacted the DPD once they had arrested Oswald and advised them to keep Oswald separated from other prisoners. He said he did so to prevent Oswald from being attacked and maybe even killed by other prisoners.

The DPD then parades Oswald several times right next to and through the press crush inside their own building as they moved Oswald from one office to another?

How did Katzenbach feel about that action from an Oswald security concern perspective?

When DPD chief Jessie Curry was confronted about allowing the press access right inside the DPD building during Oswald's time there (which Detective Jim Levealle described as a pushing, shoving, yelling circus,) Curry kept saying he did so to show the press Oswald wasn't being physically abused in their custody.

Since Katzenbach was so concerned about Oswald's personal physical safety, I wonder if he was outraged at Oswald being murdered right inside the DPD building Sunday morning in front of 10's of million Americans watching this on live national TV?

Did Oswald security minded Katzenbach even once call Chief Curry or perhaps the Mayor of Dallas and rip into Curry regards the worst possible security failure in American history?

Wonder what Katzenbach thought of Curry announcing even a ball park time of Oswald's daytime transfer to the press? And how open Oswald was when he was led within inches of the gun firing arm of Jack Ruby?

Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee repeated what 100 million Americans  thought about Oswald's murder in the custody of the DPD.

That you have the most important and most threatened criminal suspect in American history and you don't come up with a better security plan than a publicy announced transfer time and place in daylight hours?

It's proven that even members of the DPD had expressed common sense concern that Oswald's transfer be done at night, away from any press and not announced to the public.

Curry ( and one assumes even Dallas mayor Cabell? ) simply ignored those concerns and chose to do Oswald's transfer his way.

And it seems so many in the video totally accepted that Oswald was the killer of JFK and shooter of Connally within 24 hours and without any consideration of a thorough investigation and subsequent trial.

Ruby L*** in this video. He tells the press he has only run legitimate legal businesses.

Gun running, pimping, gambling, flying to Cuba to help Mafia Godfather Santos Trafficante get out of a Castro jail? Please.

Dallas TV man Wes Wise described Ruby exactly as journalist Seth Kantor did in Kantor's Warren Commission sworn testimony.

A man who wanted to be where the action was. A man who wanted to get close to newsmen. Who would walk up to them and initiate conversation. To the point of being an irritating pest.

Just as Kantor described Ruby doing to him at Parkland Hospital the early afternoon of 11,22,1963.

Incredibly, the Warren Commission concluded in their final report volume that Kantor was over excited delusional in thinking Ruby confronted him like Kantor described. And that Jack Ruby was instead the more emotionally rational and believable person over Kantor and that Ruby's tale of not going to Parkland and engaging Seth Kantor was the one they chose to believe.

Like I've stated in a few posts, if I could write, I would choose as a main JFK event topic Oswald's murder in the custody of the Dallas Police department.

A chronology of the DPDs actions once they had Oswald in their custody, leading up to Jack Ruby murdering Oswald right inside their own building.

As well as a historical perspective of the DPD and their leadership during those times. And their relationship with Jack Ruby himself. 

I came up with this provocative "real time" national TV reporting shocking title:

"HE'S BEEN SHOT, HE'S BEEN SHOT!"

"LEE OSWALD HAS BEEN SHOT!"

Quoting the national TV journalist who shakily shouted those exact words to an audience of millions of Americans who had just witnessed Oswald's improbable murder on live TV...including myself!

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Charles Blackmon]

Yes Oswald deserved to be murdered on live TV for the whole world to see because thats how patsies are dealt with.

[David Andrews]

If he stubbed his toe on the way, then he deserved that, too.  Hope it hurt.  That's probably why he made that Ooooowwww! face - because Leavell stepped on his bad toe in the fracas.

Edited February 10, 2023 by David Andrews

[Michael Griffith]

Oswald's "deserved death"? No need for the formality of due process under the Constitution, right?

I'm guessing you also believe the fairy tale that Jack Ruby strolled down the Main Street ramp and shot Oswald in a spontaneous fit of grief in order to prevent Jackie Kennedy from having to endure the spectacle of a trial?

One of the most outstanding pieces of work done by the HSCA was their thorough demolition of the myth that Ruby used the Main Street ramp to enter the basement. 

And WC apologists almost never talk about the fact that at Jack Ruby's trial, the prosecution established that the night before Oswald's transfer, Ruby was monitoring DPD plans for the transfer and was overheard to say in a conversation about the transfer during a phone call at the Nichols Parking Garage, "you know I'll be there." The person who heard him say this was Garnett Hallmark, the general manager of the parking garage.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[Paul Cummings]

The Sequel Thread: Jack Ruby deserved to die of cancer

[Charles Blackmon]

WC apologists do not acknowledge any evidence that points to conspiracy. Period!

[David Andrews]

Just a thought: you've got JFK and Oswald killed because their security left an opening for assassins; in the case of JFK, multiple openings.

Dealey Plaza and its buildings could have been combed for shooters, and uniformed and plainclothes police stationed near trouble spots.  But, a question: Had every SS on the Queen Mary and in the limo been at top alert, could they have saved JFK from a bad rifle hit?

Even had Greer punched it and fled, under other circumstances would that have been enough?

Prouty was right: it was a potential ambush trap that should have been searched and monitored.  Nobody on the ground could have saved JFK from a rifle shot.

[Guest]

On 2/10/2023 at 7:36 AM, Michael Griffith said:

And WC apologists almost never talk about the fact that at Jack Ruby's trial, the prosecution established that the night before Oswald's transfer, Ruby was monitoring DPD plans for the transfer and was overheard to say in a conversation about the transfer during a phone call at the Nichols Parking Garage, "you know I'll be there." The person who heard him say this was Garnett Hallmark, the general manager of the parking garage.

Hi

Edited February 15, 2023 by Lance Payette

[Charles Blackmon]

Sorry Michael but the Firearms Specialist has dubbed you a "factoid dispenser". What will you do? The horror!

[Joe Bauer]

On 2/10/2023 at 6:36 AM, Michael Griffith said:

One of the most outstanding pieces of work done by the HSCA was their thorough demolition of the myth that Ruby used the Main Street ramp to enter the basement. 

My most important motive reasons for wanting to write a book as I described above, focusing on the DPD and Ruby murdering Oswald while he was in their custody and handcuffed to only two guards at his side leaving him vulnerable to an unobstructed frontal attack, is because I have always felt Oswald's murder less than 48 hours after his arrest was as American collective society psyche damaging and world history impacting as JFK's in several ways.

An event that has not been adequately acknowledged, explored, explained and understood regards the true level of traumatizing impact it had on our collective society psyche.

Jack Ruby didn't just kill Lee Harvey Oswald. He also killed the only real chance America had at finding the full truth behind the crime of killing their president - JFK.

And I believe that tens of millions if not well over 100 million Americans who were watching Jack Ruby blow out Oswald's guts on live national TV the morning of 11,24,1963 harbored that same ominous thought and were consequentially afflicted with an emotional and psychological trauma much deeper than any writer has yet to adequately define and express.

JFK's brutal slaughter was a once in a lifetime major entire society traumatizing event on several levels.

I was old enough to see and feel this myself.

Tremendous shock, sadness, confusion with significant unsettling unsureness.

However, America did not actually see JFK's head being blown off with blood and brain matter exploding all around him and his horrified wife.

If they had, their trauma would have been much deeper imo.

However, the trauma of deep and dark suspicion and mistrust of our own government was "not yet" a part of the JFK killing trauma imo.

The incredibly and disturbingly improbable brutal murder of Lee Harvey Oswald in the custody of a major city police department seen live on national TV by tens of millions ( and over 100 million on news reel reruns) was the defining event that triggered the trauma I describe in the last paragraph.

Mistrust and suspicion that I don't think America had ever felt on the level it was. This was viscerally felt as a sick sinking feeling in one's guts. Just what I felt upon watching Ruby shoot Oswald live in national TV.

From 11,24,1963 to this day, the majority of our society ( those that were born before or just after for sure) never fully trusted our government regards the truth of JFK's ( and Oswald's) murder.

Oswald's killing was just "too improbable" under the circumstances of his importance in finding the full truth as to the who and why of JFK's murder.

Loss of trust and secureness in institutions one would normally feel safe under is a well known symptom of severe Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Individually it could be loss of trust in authority figures, family, one's immediate surroundings, personal relationships etc.

The bloody gut shot killing of Oswald by Jack Ruby under incredibly improbable and suspicious circumstances right in front of many millions of American's own eyes is one of the top two or three collective society traumatizing events in American history.

And America is "still" suffering it's effects imo.

One is that most American's "still" don't believe the Warren Report findings regards both JFK's and Oswald's murders.

A deeper and more comprehensive exhumation and exploration of how that monumentally damaging traumatic event came about and the effect it had on our entire society collectively versus what has been published so far is worthy literary contemplation endeavor to consider imo.

The truth shall set you free ... if you allow it to.

In this case of great and long term societal post traumatic stress damage for sure.

IMO anyways.

 

 

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Guest]

On 2/10/2023 at 10:31 AM, Joe Bauer said:

My most important motive reasons for wanting to write a book as I described above, focusing on the DPD and Ruby murdering Oswald while he was in their custody and handcuffed to only two guards at his side leaving him vulnerable to an unobstructed frontal attack, is because I have always felt Oswald's murder less than 48 hours after his arrest was as American collective society psyche damaging and world history impacting as JFK's in several ways.

Jack Ruby didn't just kill Lee Harvey Oswald. He also killed the only real chance America had at finding the full truth behind the crime of killing their president - JFK.

And I believe that tens of millions if not well over 100 million Americans who were watching Jack Ruby blow out Oswald's guts on live national TV the morning of 11,24,1963 harbored that same ominous thought and were consequentially afflicted with an emotional and psychological trauma much deeper than any writer has yet to adequately define and express.

JFK's brutal slaughter was a once in a lifetime major entire society traumatizing event on several levels.

I was old enough to see and feel this myself.

Tremendous shock, sadness, confusion with significant unsettling unsureness.

However, America did not actually see JFK's head being blown off with blood and brain matter exploding all around him and his horrified wife.

If they had, their trauma would have been much deeper imo.

However, the trauma of deep and dark suspicion and mistrust of our own government was "not yet" a part of the JFK killing trauma imo.

The incredibly improbable brutal murder of Lee Harvey Oswald in the custody of a major city police department seen live on national TV by tens of millions ( and over 100 million on news reel reruns) was the defining event that triggered the trauma I describe in the last paragraph.

Mistrust and suspicion that I don't think America had ever felt on the level it was. This was viscerally felt as a sick sinking feeling in one's guts.

From 11,24,1963 to this day, the majority of our society ( those that were born before or just after for sure) never fully trusted our government since that day.

Oswald's killing was just too improbable under the circumstances of his importance in finding the full truth as to the who and why of JFK's murder.

Loss of trust and secureness in institutions one would normally feel safe under is a well known symptom of severe Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Individually it could be loss of trust in authority figures, family, one's immediate surroundings, personal relationships etc.

The bloody gut shot killing of Oswald by Jack Ruby under incredibly improbable and suspicious circumstances right in front of many millions of American's own eyes is one of the top two or three traumatizing events in American history.

America is "still" suffering it's effects.

A deeper and more comprehensive exhumation and exploration of how that monumentally damaging traumatic event came about and the effect it had on our entire society collectively versus what has been published so far is worthy literary contemplation endeavor to consider imo.

The truth shall set you free ... if you allow it to.

In this case of great and long term societal post traumatic stress damage for sure.

IMO anyways.

 

 

 

Hi

Edited February 15, 2023 by Lance Payette

[Guest]

On 2/10/2023 at 10:25 AM, Charles Blackmon said:

Sorry Michael but the Firearms Specialist has dubbed you a "factoid dispenser". What will you do? The horror!

Hi

Edited February 15, 2023 by Lance Payette