Douglas Caddy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Newsweek article https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-top-democrats-turn-on-pro-palestinian-protesters/ar-AA1o5fqg?ocid=socialshare&pc=u477&cvid=e555dc9cf4294b71ad28e559f59578de&ei=109&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 18 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said: Newsweek article https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-top-democrats-turn-on-pro-palestinian-protesters/ar-AA1o5fqg?ocid=socialshare&pc=u477&cvid=e555dc9cf4294b71ad28e559f59578de&ei=109&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTE After the Ferguson, Missouri riots broke out, Obama said, "Americans need to talk about race." It never really happened. After Netanyahu's Gaza Genocide, Americans need to talk about militant Zionism. My hunch is that it will never happen. Instead, conservatives (and Biden) seem to be doubling down on Gaza Genocide denial and sending in the cops to suppress anti-genocide protests on college campuses. And AIPAC is planning to spend millions to oust Progressive Democrats from Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 22 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Biden's collusion in Netanyahu's Gaza Genocide will be remembered as an historic abomination. You are wrong. There has been no Biden collusion. Only people whose emotions overcome their ability to think rationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 Biden keeps up pressure on Netanyahu as possible Rafah invasion looms https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/28/biden-netanyahu-rafah-invasion-00154847 Biden last month warned that an invasion in Rafah would be a “red line” for his administration, pushing Israel not to pursue a military campaign in the region without a credible plan to protect civilians in place. ...On the call with Netanyahu, Biden also “reviewed ongoing talks to secure the release of hostages together with an immediate ceasefire in Gaza” and “discussed increases in the delivery of humanitarian assistance into Gaza including through preparations to open new northern crossings starting this week,” according to the White House. During the interview on ABC, Kirby noted, “There are still challenges on the ground in getting [aid] up into the north but that’s starting to happen, and the Israelis have started to meet the commitments that President Biden asked them to meet.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 40 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: You are wrong. There has been no Biden collusion. Only people who's emotions overcome their rational thinking. Sandy, We, obviously, disagree about this one. Over 35,000 massacred women, children, doctors, journalists, and non-combatant civilians. 56,000+ demolished buildings-- schools, hospitals, universities, apartments, and mosques. A homeless, starving population of 2 million indigenous people. And Biden furnished the bombs, while vetoing UN cease-fire resolutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 44 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: And Biden furnished the bombs, while vetoing UN cease-fire resolutions. Had Biden voted for the UN resolutions, Netanyahu would have said screw you and would have attacked all of Gaza without any warnings for the civilians to move south. Had Biden altered long-standing U.S. policy in providing military aid to Israel, he would now have zero leverage in keeping Israel from invading Rafah while a million Gazans taking refuge there are starving to death. Yeah, that's real smart William. Doing it you way would have sure felt good... like you were actually accomplishing something. But in reality it would have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Gazans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: Had Biden voted for the UN resolutions, Netanyahu would have said screw you and would have attacked all of Gaza without any warnings for the civilians to move south. Had Biden altered long-standing U.S. policy in providing military aid to Israel, he would now have zero leverage in keeping Israel from invading Rafah while a million Gazans taking refuge there are starving to death. Yeah, that's real smart William. Doing it you way would have sure felt good... like you were actually accomplishing something. But in reality it would have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Gazans. Sandy, Your apparent concept is to simply let the right-wing Likud Party Israeli tail wag the American dog-- as if the U.S. and UN had no authority or ability to intervene to prevent a horrific genocide. I don't buy it. We all know that AIPAC is immensely powerful in U.S. domestic politics, but where was JFK this year when the world really needed an American POTUS to set limits on Netanyahu massacring Palestinian women and children? Incidentally, are you aware that knowledgeable, experienced foreign policy experts have resigned from the Biden administration in protest over his mismanagement of the Gaza Genocide? Meanwhile, it looks like the MAGA cult has been increasingly aligned with Netanyahu's right wing Likudniks. Not surprising, really. The only politicians in the U.S. who have been honest and accurate about Netanyahu's genocide are the Progressive Democrats-- Bernie Sanders, AOC, Tlaib, and Omar. That's why AIPAC is now going after the Progressives. Top Ways MAGA and Right Wing Zionism Converge, and Why Smotrich is Embracing Trump (juancole.com) Edited May 3 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sandy Larsen Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 29 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Sandy, Your apparent concept is to simply let the right-wing Likud Party Israeli tail wag the American dog-- as if the U.S. and UN had no authority or ability to intervene to prevent a horrific genocide. I don't buy it. LOL what?! You think that the United States has control over other nation's militaries?? That is so naive! I mean, sure, the United States and other countries have the moral right to intervene in Israel's war in Gaza. But the only way for them to accomplish that is to declare war on Israel! Is that what you want? 29 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: We all know that AIPAC is immensely powerful in U.S. domestic politics, but where was JFK this year when the world really needed an American POTUS to set limits on Netanyahu massacring Palestinian women and children? There are only two ways the U.S. could set limits on Netanyahu entering Rafah, 1) by threatening to discontinue military aid to Israel, and 2) by threatening to go to war with Israel. Had you gotten your way, by now Biden would have already cut off military aid. To protect the millions of refuges in Rafah, all Biden could do at this point would be to threaten to attack Israel! 29 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Incidentally, are you aware that knowledgeable, experienced foreign policy experts have resigned from the Biden administration in protest over his mismanagement of the Gaza Genocide? Yes, some have resigned. Others haven't. Some people are ruled by their hearts and others are ruled by their heads. The best leaders are those who feel with their hearts but rule with their heads. That is what we have with President Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: LOL what?! You think that the United States has control over other nation's militaries?? That is so naive! I mean, sure, the United States and other countries have the moral right to intervene in Israel's war in Gaza. But the only way for them to accomplish that is to declare war on Israel! Is that what you want? There are only two ways the U.S. could set limits on Netanyahu entering Rafah, 1) by threatening to discontinue military aid to Israel, and 2) by threatening to go to war with Israel. Had you gotten your way, by now Biden would have already cut off military aid. To protect the millions of refuges in Rafah, all Biden could do at this point would be to threaten to attack Israel! Yes, some have resigned. Others haven't. Some people are ruled by their hearts and others are ruled by their heads. The best leaders are those who feel with their hearts but rule with their heads. That is what we have with President Biden. Sandy, You're misdiagnosing accurate, evidence-based criticism of the Gaza genocide as emotional reasoning. Trust me on this one. I'm a psychiatrist... 🤥 As for stopping the carnage, i don't think Netanyahu and his Kahanists would have crossed Biden and the international community if they had insisted on halting the bombings of Gaza civilians. They wouldn't have wanted to risk alienating the United States. They need us. But, as Douglas Caddy and Kirk have previously pointed out, Netanyahu (and Ariel Sharon) has bragged about his ability to easily manipulate and control the United States. So, Bibi played Biden for an AIPAC-aligned milquetoast. Obama put his foot down about the Iranian nuclear disarmament treaty, and halting Israeli West Bank settlements, but, for the most part, the last POTUS who said, "No," to right wing Zionists was JFK. Edited May 3 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Trump loyalists have now begun showing up at his rallies wearing diapers and t-shirts and baseball caps and carrying large six-foot banners emblazened with the phrase, Real Men Wear Diapers Trump 2024 20 years from now, those people are going to look back on their lives and be so ashamed of themselves. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Stop Threatening Us - ICC Prosecutor Calls for End to Intimidation of Staff, Officials - Palestine Chronicle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: 1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said: Some people are ruled by their hearts and others are ruled by their heads. 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: You're misdiagnosing accurate, evidence-based criticism of the Gaza genocide as emotional reasoning. William, You misunderstood my metaphors. (And, BTW, I've never denied the "accurate, evidence-based criticism of the Gaza genocide.") I'll explain my metaphors with an analogy: Being ruled by one's heart - Bernie Sanders. A fire suddenly breaks out on a large skillet. Bernie Sanders exclaims, "Oh my!" and quickly throws water on it. Doing so splashes hot grease over everything and the house burns down. Being ruled by one's head - Joe Biden. A fire suddenly breaks out on a large skillet. Joe Biden exclaims, "Oh my!", pauses, and thinks for a moment. The emotionally-driven first thought would be to throw water on the fire. But he reasons that doing so will only splash and spread the fire. He thinks a moment longer and goes to the linen closet. While Biden is doing that, W. Niederhut screams, "Hey man! You're just gonna let the fire burn down the house? Ahhhh! You'll go down in history as an arsonist!" In the meantime Biden returns with a towel, moistens it with water, and drapes it over the skillet. The lack of oxygen extinguishes the fire. Biden saves the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: As for stopping the carnage, i don't think Netanyahu and his Kahanists would have crossed Biden and the international community if they had insisted on halting the bombings of Gaza civilians. 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: [Israel] wouldn't have wanted to risk alienating the United States. They need us. Israel isn't afraid of losing the United States. Had Biden stopped military aid, Netanyahu would have continued on with his war knowing that another election would bring another president. And a subsequent resumption of military aid. Israel needs us... but they know that we need them too. Plus Israel knows that the Republican half the country aren't much concerned with the fate of the Palestinian people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said: Trump loyalists have now begun showing up at his rallies wearing diapers and t-shirts and baseball caps and carrying large six-foot banners emblazened with the phrase, Real Men Wear Diapers Trump 2024 20 years from now, those people are going to look back on their lives and be so ashamed of themselves. Steve Thomas And now, for just $49.99... 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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