Did David Josephs leave the forum?

[Steve Thomas]

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

I post this Steve as the links to that Archive are all broken...  they moved all that to the larger Dallas archives.  It can still be found of course... but the xl sheet I had with links to all this evidence is now worthless...  luckily where they are now is actually a bit easier to search...  whether everything made it over as it should, who knows.

 

David,

Thank you.

Yes, the DPD moved its JFK Collection over to the Texas Portal to History, but not all of it was copied over.

I haven't had the time or strength to try and go to the Portal and try and find everything I found in the original Archives. (I have dozens and dozens of citations in my notes at home).

Another reason that I think Fritz's Interrogation notes are fraudulent is this:

Remember what I said about pages 4 and 5 of the Notes had been fiddled with?

Fritz Interrogation Notes
http://www.jfklancer.com/Fritzdocs.html

 

On page 5 of those notes, Fritz writes that during the 6:35 PM Interrogation on Saturday night, Oswald complained about wanting a jacket for a lineup.

Since the only lineup on Saturday was at 2:15 PM, it wouldn't make sense for him to be complaining about wanting a jacket at 6:35 PM for a lineup that didn't exist, but would make sense if he was told at 1:10 when he was taken back to jail and told he was being taken down for another lineup at 2:15.

 

Steve Thomas

[David Josephs]

9 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

On page 5 of those notes, Fritz writes that during the 6:35 PM Interrogation on Saturday night, Oswald complained about wanting a jacket for a lineup.

Since the only lineup on Saturday was at 2:15 PM, it wouldn't make sense for him to be complaining about wanting a jacket at 6:35 PM for a lineup that didn't exist, but would make sense if he was told at 1:10 when he was taken back to jail and told he was being taken down for another lineup at 2:15.

Devil in the details my friend.  and the breadth of knowledge to know when something doesn't fit.  

Maybe just me... the lancer link doesn't want to connect?

This site can’t be reached

www.jfklancer.com took too long to respond.

Try:

• Checking the connection
• Checking the proxy and the firewall

ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT

[Larry Hancock]

David, the JFK Lancer site has been down for well over a year now due to issues with hosting and maintenance. I think they hope to bring it back live this summer, possibly as early as June, but no specifics on that.

[David Josephs]

5 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

David, the JFK Lancer site has been down for well over a year now due to issues with hosting and maintenance. I think they hope to bring it back live this summer, possibly as early as June, but no specifics on that.

Thanks Larry.. that's too bad - I hope they can resurrect it. 

The following Thanks to Bart's Anatomy of Interrogations...

Timeline of Oswald’s interrogations and transfers.

Nov 22nd.

14:15 - 14:20 "Talked to" by officers Gus F. Rose and Richard S. Stovall.

14:25 - 16:05 Interrogation of Oswald, Office of Captain Will Fritz.
Present: Fritz, Boyd, Sims and Thomas Kelley, inspector of the Secret Service 15:15 Hosty and Bookhout join Captain Fritz.

16:05 Oswald is being interrogated by Forrest Sorrels of the Secret Service who does this in the back of Fritz’s office. This lasts up to ten minutes. Jim Hosty takes Sorrels aside and has a word regarding sensitive information. Hosty of the F.B.I. is from that moment not involved any more, being present with the interrogations.

16:10 Oswald’s first line-up with Helen Markham to ID him. He Is escorted by detectives Boyd and Stovall.

16:20 - 18:20 Second Interrogation of Oswald, Captain Fritz’s Office.
18:20 Oswald’s second line-up.
19:00 Manning Clements interrogates Oswald about his personal background.
19:40 Oswald’s third line-up, (copy/paste the rest of this entry failed)

19:55 Oswald’s interrogation continued by Manning Clements.
19:55 Third Interrogation, Captain Fritz’s Office.
22:00 - 23:20 "Talked To" by Police Officer John Adamcik and FBI Agent Manning Clements.

Nov 23rd.

10:30 - 11:30 Interrogation, Capt. Will Fritz’s Office. Boyd and Hall of the DPD are inside the office as well. US Marshal Robert Nash, FBI SA James Bookhout and Secret Service agents Forrest Sorrels, David B. Grant and Thomas J. Kelley are also present.

14:15 Oswald’s first line-up of that day in front of William Whaley and William W. Scoggings.

15:00 - Oswald is making his first attempt to call John Hurt.

16:30 – 18:30 Interrogation Capt. Will Fritz’s office.

Nov 24th.

09:30- 11:15 Interrogation Captain Fritz’s office. Also present is Harry Dean Holmes. 11:20 Oswald is being transferred and subsequently shot and killed by Jack Ruby.

[Steve Thomas]

15 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Thanks Larry.. that's too bad - I hope they can resurrect it. 

The following Thanks to Bart's Anatomy of Interrogations...

Timeline of Oswald’s interrogations and transfers.

Nov 23rd.

10:30 - 11:30 Interrogation, Capt. Will Fritz’s Office. Boyd and Hall of the DPD are inside the office as well. US Marshal Robert Nash, FBI SA James Bookhout and Secret Service agents Forrest Sorrels, David B. Grant and Thomas J. Kelley are also present.

 

David,

Bart and I spent many hours going over this timeline.

I was very sorry to see he left out any mention of this 12:35 Interview, especially since both Fritz and Kelley refer to it in Appendix XI of the WC Hearings.

4) There is a version of Fritz's interrogation of Oswald in Appendix XI of the Warren Report. On page 607 of the Appendix, Fritz references the 12:35 interview and uses the same language “with Inspector Kelley and some of the other officers and myself”.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=631&tab=page

5) There is also a version of the Interrogation of Oswald in CD 81 AG Texas Letter with attachments dated 07 Jan 1964 beginning on page 452. Covers the Interrogation of Oswald and takes up 13 pages. On page 460, Fritz references the 12:35 interview in the same language as is in the DPD Archives “with Inspector Kelley and some of the other officers and myself”.

 

Appendix XI of the Warren Report p. 628. This is Thomas Kelley's Report of Oswald's interview at 12:35 on Saturday the 23rd. Page 628
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=652&tab=page

 

Steve Thomas

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Steve Thomas

[Michael Crane]

Good news Dave,

I was hoping that you did not get into a conflict with a fellow member & get disgusted and leave.

Carry on.

[David Josephs]

Just now, Michael Crane said:

Good news Dave,

I was hoping that you did not get into a conflict with a fellow member & get disgusted and leave.

Carry on.

LOL... oh I definitely did.  Sometimes just need a break from the yahoos.

Too many great people here to stay away for long though

[Norman T. Field]

I am reminded of the scene "I'm not dead yet".

 

 

[David Josephs]

I was 17 when this hit the theaters... and a regular watcher of the Flying Circus

"It's just a flesh wound."

"We want, a shrubbery"

[Pete Mellor]

21 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Also, I can look myself but did DPUK record your Zoom session?  Will it be posted there if not yet?

Ron, D.J.'s Zoom was a biggie!  Somewhere around 4 hours.  I usually get a msg from Bart when the recording has been uploaded onto D.P.U.K.'s You Tube.

When that has been completed I'll post onto the Forum.

[David Josephs]

1 hour ago, Pete Mellor said:

Ron, D.J.'s Zoom was a biggie!  Somewhere around 4 hours.  I usually get a msg from Bart when the recording has been uploaded onto D.P.U.K.'s You Tube.

When that has been completed I'll post onto the Forum.

Thanks Pete...  a pleasure talking with all of you.  Thanks again for the invite

[Steve Thomas]

11 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Devil in the details my friend.  and the breadth of knowledge to know when something doesn't fit.  

Maybe just me... the lancer link doesn't want to connect?

This site can’t be reached

www.jfklancer.com took too long to respond.

 

David (and Larry),

A copy of Fritz's Interrogation Notes can be online here:

https://www.jfk-info.com/fritztit.htm

Steve Thomas

[David Josephs]

5 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

David (and Larry),

A copy of Fritz's Interrogation Notes can be online here:

https://www.jfk-info.com/fritztit.htm

Steve Thomas

Yeah, those "notes" 

 

As you mentioned before Steve, the different and successive versions of his report are extremely telling...  Kinda like the Oswald arrest report...  check this out (Fritz is also key to these as well)

We've all seen the one to the far right.  Had never seen the far left with Fritz's signatures on the 22nd and 24th and the added assault charge for Connally...  but how do we have the middle copy dated the 24th without Fritz's signatures or the assault added... and vice versa.  The school records for NYC also have multiple and mutually exclusive copies...of the child's singular PERMANENT record.  They kinda look the same, but they are not - see below

 

 

 

[Steve Thomas]

10 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Yeah, those "notes" 

 

As you mentioned before Steve, the different and successive versions of his report are extremely telling...  Kinda like the Oswald arrest report...  check this out (Fritz is also key to these as well)

We've all seen the one to the far right.  Had never seen the far left with Fritz's signatures on the 22nd and 24th and the added assault charge for Connally...  but how do we have the middle copy dated the 24th without Fritz's signatures or the assault added... and vice versa.

David,

It may have something to do with the numbers up in the top right hand corner, and the record-keeping purpose for which that report was being filed.

I mean where that Report was being sent (Archives vs. State Attorney General's Office vs. FBI, vs. Henry Wade's office and the Jack Ruby trial, etc.)

Steve Thomas

[David Josephs]

3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

David,

It may have something to do with the numbers up in the top right hand corner, and the record-keeping purpose for which that report was being filed.

I mean where that Report was being sent (Archives vs. State Attorney General's Office vs. FBI, vs. Henry Wade's office and the Jack Ruby trial, etc.)

Steve Thomas

I get you Steve... My concern arrises from the fact that all three appear to be carbon copies of each other based on the image at the far right which has none of those numbers.

Separating them and recording different events on different copies must have served some purpose.. yet maybe I just read too much into it in the case.

When the box at the top right is filled in with the "63-#####" it matches the middle copy so that too must have been a carbon, but then these 2 copies take different paths since the middle copy does not have any Fritz signatures even on the 22nd.

Every little thing takes so much effort just to wrap one's head around it...  ugh.