Sandy Larsen Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Here's the whole conversation, Cliff. On 9/25/2023 at 1:11 AM, James DiEugenio said: The number of people who did not buy the WC and thought it was a conspiracy went through the ceiling in the years 1991-92 due to the film JFK. 23 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said: Not according to the Gallup poll. The support for the conspiracy view was steady from 1976 to 2001. 12 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said: Sorry Cliff, Jim is right on this. The percentage who believe it was a conspiracy popped up by 15 points when JFK came out. That's a significant rise. 11 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said: Gallup: One man Others involved No opinion 2001 Mar 26-28 13 81 6 1993 Nov 15-16 15 75 10 1992 Feb ^ 10 77 13 1983 Oct ^ 11 74 15 1976 Dec † 11 81 The JFK spike in the other polls matched highs reached twice earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 Sandy, support for Conspiracy did not “go through the ceiling” in 1991-2, it matched the highs of previous decades. Just like the Gallup data indicates. It spiked again 1998 - 2001. How many picked nits fit on the head of a pin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 From 1993, this CBS poll went up around 11 points from the previous one in 1988 about if the public disbelieved the WC. And look how many thought it was the CIA. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/11/16/CBS-poll-Americans-believe-CIA-helped-assassinate-JFK/6101753426000/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 39 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: Sandy, support for Conspiracy did not “go through the ceiling” in 1991-2, it matched the highs of previous decades. Just like the Gallup data indicates. It spiked again 1998 - 2001. How many picked nits fit on the head of a pin? Hey man, all I said was that Jim was right when he said that the conspiracy number popped up with the film. You're the one who kept nit picking your way out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: Hey man, all I said was that Jim was right when he said that the conspiracy number popped up with the film. You're the one who kept nit picking your way out of it. It went up 15 percentage points, from 60% to 75%. That's a 25% rise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said: Hey man, all I said was that Jim was right when he said that the conspiracy number popped up with the film. That’s not what he said. To claim the conspiracy number went “through the ceiling” is a mischaracterization of the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said: It went up 15 percentage points, from 60% to 75%. That's a 25% rise! But not “through the ceiling.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said: From 1993, this CBS poll went up around 11 points from the previous one in 1988 about if the public disbelieved the WC. And look how many thought it was the CIA. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/11/16/CBS-poll-Americans-believe-CIA-helped-assassinate-JFK/6101753426000/ Great! Here’s one poll showing numbers that go “through the ceiling.” It’s always best when folks bring receipts instead of making unsupported claims. The polling on younger people belies the claims that age is a factor in the recent slow leakage of conspiracy support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) BTW, if you look at that CBS poll, in the sub question, I think that is why Evans and Loomis did what they did. Too many people said the CIA did it, presumably taking their cue from Stone's film. Another CBS poll said that in 1993 81 per cent thought the official story was a cover up. Which was the highest in a 20 year range. Edited September 26, 2023 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 CBS poll from 2013: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-most-americans-still-think-there-was-a-jfk-cover-up/ <quote on> As they have for decades, most Americans (61 percent) think others in addition to Lee Harvey Oswald were involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but that has dropped significantly from 15 years ago. At the same time, 20 percent think Oswald acted on his own, up 10 points from 1998, on the 35th anniversary of President Kennedy's death. Majorities across all age groups believe others in addition to Oswald were involved in the assassination, but those ages 65 and over are most likely to think Oswald acted alone (26 percent). </q> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: 32 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: It went up 15 percentage points, from 60% to 75%. That's a 25% rise! But not “through the ceiling.” According to Farlex Dictionary of Idioms, "go through the ceiling" means "to increase significantly and often suddenly." 25% is significant. And if you look at the chart, will see that it rose suddenly. You should get some sleep Cliff. Isn't Cory there watching over you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said: According to Farlex Dictionary of Idioms, "go through the ceiling" means "to increase significantly and often suddenly." 25% is significant. And if you look at the chart, will see that it rose suddenly. You should get some sleep Cliff. Isn't Cory there watching over you? It appears the fixation is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: It appears the fixation is yours. It takes two to tango. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 Back to the issue at hand: To what do we attribute the marked decline of conspiracy support in this century? The polls show younger people are at least as supportive of conspiracy if not more (depending on the poll). The MSM hasn’t been nearly as active in the 21st century attacking the conspiracy view, not that that had any significant impact in the 20th century. As E. Martin Schotz pointed out in ‘98, the cover-up feeds on false mysteries. The chronic naysaying regarding the back/throat wounds is key to the cover-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said: According to Farlex Dictionary of Idioms, "go through the ceiling" means "to increase significantly and often suddenly." 25% is significant. And if you look at the chart, will see that it rose suddenly. You should get some sleep Cliff. Isn't Cory there watching over you? He is a guest but I take no responsibility for his actions and/or opinions. You are all warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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