A BIG THANKYOU to Tom Scully for confirming my research : Dial Ryder was right opposite the Randles

[Tony Krome]

So we have a GUNSMITH with an OSWALD scope mount Repair Tag who was literally within shouting distance from Ruth Paine, and across the road from the Randles. 

Roy Everett Jones was Peggie Jo Ryder's father, and Dial Ryder was his son in law.

 

[Pete Mellor]

6 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

So we have a GUNSMITH with an OSWALD scope mount Repair Tag who was literally within shouting distance from Ruth Paine, and across the road from the Randles. 

Roy Everett Jones was Peggie Jo Ryder's father, and Dial Ryder was his son in law.

 

Certainly new and most interesting info here Tony!

As I have posted in your other thread on occupants of properties on West 5th., from Nancy Weiford's recent article, she also includes a Victor & Helen (no surname) as living in 2438 Westbrook, opposite the Randle's.  Some street plan would help clarify exactly where folk lived, with names & numbers of houses.

Edited November 24, 2023 by Pete Mellor
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[Tony Krome]

24 minutes ago, Pete Mellor said:

Certainly new and most interesting info here Tony!

As I have posted in your other thread on occupants of properties on West 5th., from Nancy Weiford's recent article, she also includes a Victor & Helen (no surname) as living in 2438 Westbrook, opposite the Randle's.

Thanks, Victor Embry was his name.

For those following these threads and the information coming in, it is information, that in all likelihood, was withheld from the Warren Commission. It is inconceivable that the FBI were not aware that the Ryders were right there on West 5th, considering the investigations surrounding the media announcing that Dial Ryder may have drilled holes for a scope mount on Oswald's rifle.

Please note, that on the surface, one may simply declare, well there you go, Oswald had his rifle scoped over at Irving Sports, he is guilty!

The cover-up by the FBI indicates a scenario much more nefarious.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

Tony,

So Dial Ryder lived at 2434 West 5th Street, Irving in 1963. Yet in his WC testimony he said he lived at 2028 Harvard, Irving. Did he move? Or was he lying? (Or am I making a mistake?)

Was his West 5th Street address the only thing the FBI kept from the WC, as far as you know?

 

 

[Tony Krome]

3 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Tony,

So Dial Ryder lived at 2434 West 5th Street, Irving in 1963. Yet in his WC testimony he said he lived at 2028 Harvard, Irving. Did he move? Or was he lying? (Or am I making a mistake?)

Was his West 5th Street address the only thing the FBI kept from the WC, as far as you know?

 

 

Yes, by the time of Dial's testimony in 1964, both him and his wife had moved to 2028 Harvard, so he was telling the truth at the WC.

The WC tried hard to establish the facts about the "Oswald" repair tag, but it appears now they were without crucial information. Read Dial's FBI statements, and you would come away with the possibility that Dial had seen Oswald somewhere. Well that somewhere was across the road.

I am not suggesting it was Oswald entering Irving Sport asking for a scope mount weeks before the assassination.

The key to the puzzle is the Argentine Mauser. It was this rifle that Dial Ryder associated with the Oswald repair tag, not a Carcano. This is what the FBI is ultimately covering up.

 

[Michael Kalin]

Conspicuous by its absence so far is a Ruby element in the Paine's neighborhood, as if his tentacles didn't reach that far, but Armstrong's "NOVEMBER 22, 1963" article at Harvey & Lee has this --

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In October, a three-man musical "combo" group was performing in Ruby's club that consisted of John Anderson (trumpet), Bill Willis (drums), and William Simmons (piano). The small group worked only four hours a day, from 9 PM to 1 AM. Curiously, and without explanation, Willis and Simmons lived fifteen miles away from the Carousel Club, in a house located at 2530 W. 5th in Irving, TX., just 200 feet west on the opposite side of the street from Ruth Paine (2515 W. 5th). When Ruby shot HARVEY Oswald, Nancy Powell (Tammi True) told the WC that she saw Bill Willis (drummer) near the police station. Neither Willis nor Simmons were interviewed by the WC.

The FBI interviewed Simmons on 11/24/63 who confirmed his residence at 2530 W. 5th Street, but denied knowledge of Bill Willis' address, also denied seeing or hearing of Ruby's presence in the neighborhood.

DPD took an affidavit from Billy Joe Willis on 11/24/63 who gave his address as 6922 Forney Road (no city), phone EV1-3965. It is otherwise unremarkable with the exception of two girlfriends named Joan, McCline on 11/22 & McClure on 11/24.

Scully's 1966 Irving City Directory shows Wm R Huddleston at 2530 W. 5th Street.

Edited November 24, 2023 by Michael Kalin

[Jean Ceulemans]

11 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

Certainly new and most interesting info here Tony!

As I have posted in your other thread on occupants of properties on West 5th., from Nancy Weiford's recent article, she also includes a Victor & Helen (no surname) as living in 2438 Westbrook, opposite the Randle's.  Some street plan would help clarify exactly where folk lived, with names & numbers of houses.

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Jean Ceulemans

[Stu Wexler]

Tom I tried to message you privately through the forum email function.  It would not let me do it.  Could you message me instead? I am very interested in this topic, even more so now.

[Marcus Fuller]

Please excuse my ignorance, but is there a brief summary or synopsis that gives the basics of what this means? 

 

[Tony Krome]

3 minutes ago, Marcus Fuller said:

Please excuse my ignorance, but is there a brief summary or synopsis that gives the basics of what this means? 

 

The following topic is where to start; 

 

[James DiEugenio]

Tony:

What is the best source for the type of rifle that Ryder said he worked on?

Edited November 25, 2023 by James DiEugenio

[Tony Krome]

4 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Tony:

What is the best source for the type of rifle that Ryder said he work on?

Horton FBI report on the Monday following the assassination 25th November 1963;

"He (Ryder) stated that he associates Oswald's picture with that of an individual who brought in an Argentine made rifle about two weeks ago and he, Ryder, attached a scope on that gun"

[Greg Doudna]

19 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

So we have a GUNSMITH with an OSWALD scope mount Repair Tag who was literally within shouting distance from Ruth Paine, and across the road from the Randles. 

Roy Everett Jones was Peggie Jo Ryder's father, and Dial Ryder was his son in law.

 

Tony, this establishes Dial’s wife’s family lived across the street from the Randles, but if Dial’s wife, Peggy, was living with Dial, which is likely since they were married and Dial refers to maybe telling his wife something he told no one else the weekend of the assassination, then it does not ever put DIAL living across the street from the Randles, except when he would visit his in-laws. 

When the FBI showed Dial a photo of Oswald he did say he thought he maybe had seen him before, but according to the FBI report he thought it probably was as a customer in the shop. All of this qualified by uncertainty by Dial. But no likelihood expressed by Dial that he had seen Oswald on Fifth Street when, say, at dinner on Sunday at his wife’s parents’ house.

What might be interesting would be to ask the still living Buell Frazier if he knew Peggy and Dial Ryder from seeing them across the street, if he knew Peggy’s parents, and if he ever remembered meeting or knew Willis the musician for Ruby living in a different house also across the street from the Randles. 

[Tony Krome]

34 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Tony:

What is the best source for the type of rifle that Ryder said he work on?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=553

[Tony Krome]

33 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

Tony, this establishes Dial’s wife’s family lived across the street from the Randles, but if Dial’s wife, Peggy, was living with Dial, which is likely since they were married and Dial refers to maybe telling his wife something he told no one else the weekend of the assassination, then it does not ever put DIAL living across the street from the Randles, except when he would visit his in-laws.

Up to at least Friday, the 13th of December, 1963, Peggie Jo Ryder was living at 2434 West 5th. You have suggested above that Peggie was living with her husband Dial, and I agree. The excerpt below was published on Sunday the 15th of December 1963.

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Tony Krome