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[Pat Speer]

20 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Right. And it was missed by twenty other doctors.

 

And here I thought we were getting somewhere. Please name the "twenty doctors", when they first described the president's wounds to the public, where they placed the wound, and whether they disavowed the autopsy photos after viewing them. 

If you did that you would find it's just a few, and that in fact the only doctor to get a good look at the body and say the far back of the head was blown out, and disavow the boh photo was McClelland. And yet even he said the boh photo looked legit, and that scalp was pulled up to conceal the wound. 

And you know what, he's not entirely out to lunch.

I pointed out years ago that the boh photos PROVE there was a flap at the crown of the head. When viewed at Parkland, for that matter, the flap by the ear would have been closed up, concealing the forward aspect of the wound, and the rear flap would have opened up, giving the impression the gaping hole was further back than it was. So it's right there in the photographic record that the wound would appear more rearward at Parkland and more forward at Bethesda. 

But no one wants to see this because they've been duped, and no one ever wants to admit they've been duped....

 

Edited December 17, 2023 by Pat Speer

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

Please name the "twenty doctors", when they first described the president's wounds to the public, where they placed the wound, and whether they disavowed the autopsy photos after viewing them.

 

I keep showing you Aguilar's list and you keep ignoring it. Most the doctors and nurses on the list, approximately 20, said early on that the blowout wound was on the back of the head.

(If I said "twenty doctors," I misspoke. I meant to say doctors and nurses.)

 

[David Josephs]

Luckily a picture is worth 1000 words

edit - I did not put (2nd row, 2nd in) over to the side enough.. he is the only one with his hand over his ear/side of the face... Even Salyer's hand is behind the ear.

Peters' image seems pretty easy to understand.   

 

 

Edited December 17, 2023 by David Josephs

[David Josephs]

From the WCR this is Humes' description of the wounds to the head... Following this description is a graphic representation of the description... To me this proves the "surgery to the head" as noted by the FBI, and the VAST difference in the wound between Dallas and Bethesda...
Following that illustration is a composite that shows where Humes sawed thru the skull on the LEFT side of the skull while contradicting this evidence by stating that the left side of the skull and brain were completely intact and the drawings of JFK as seen in Dallas... Humes is complicit in the cover-up yet was taking orders from Rear Admirals on down.. 
And then the honesty of Boswell's notes betrays this surgery yet again.. The brutality of what was done to JFK after the fact is hard to escape...
The concept that the "brain just fell out in Humes' hands" is without a doubt the most revealing and impossible of all the statements given the lack of damage to the left side of the skull... the last image is one of a series that can be found on line describing the process of brain removal at an autopsy. The strong connective tissues that surround the brain and the superior sagittal sinus must be carefully cut away as well as the dissection of the spinal cord at the bottom of the brain, top of the brain stem, the optic nerves and a host of other connective tissue.

 

 

By the time the casket was opened at 8pm and the audible gasp echoes in the morgue at the horrible condition of the man's head, over an hour of brutal surgery had been performed by a man barely qualified to perform it...
 

"We found that the right cerebral hemisphere was markedly disrupted. There was a longitudinal laceration of the right hemisphere which was parasagittal in position. By the sagittal plane, as you may know, is a plane in the midline which would divide the brain into right and left halves. This laceration was parasagittal. It was situated approximately (1 & 2) 2.5 cm. to the right of the midline, and extended from the tip of occipital lobe, which is the posterior portion of the brain, to the tip of the frontal lobe which is the most anterior portion of the brain, and it extended from the top down to the substance of the brain a distance of approximately 5 or 6 cm.  The base of the laceration was situated approximately 4.5 cm. below the vertex in the white matter. By the vertex we mean--the highest point on the skull is referred to as the vertex.
The area in which the greatest loss of brain substance was particularly in the parietal lobe, which is the major portion of the right cerebral hemisphere.
The margins of this laceration at all points were jagged and irregular, with additional lacerations extending in varying directions and for varying distances from the main laceration.
In addition, there was a (3) laceration of the corpus callosum which is a body of fibers which connects the two hemispheres of the brain to each other, which extended from the posterior to the anterior portion of this structure, that is the corpus callosum. Exposed in this laceration were portions of the ventricular system in which the spinal fluid normally is disposed within the brain.
When viewed from above the left cerebral hemisphere was intact. There was engorgement of blood vessels in the meninges covering the brain. We note that the gyri and sulci, which are the convolutions of the brain over the left hemisphere were of normal size and distribution.
Those on the right were too fragmented and distorted for satisfactory description.
(4) When the brain was turned over and viewed from its basular or inferior aspect, there was found a longitudinal laceration of the mid-brain through the floor of the third ventricle, just behind the optic chiasma and the mammillary bodies. This laceration partially communicates with an oblique 1.5 cm. tear through the left cerebral peduncle. This is a portion of the brain which connects the higher centers of the brain with the spinal cord which is more concerned with reflex actions."

 

[Pat Speer]

4 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Luckily a picture is worth 1000 words

edit - I did not put (2nd row, 2nd in) over to the side enough.. he is the only one with his hand over his ear/side of the face... Even Salyer's hand is behind the ear.

Peters' image seems pretty easy to understand.   

 

 

I'm sorry, David, but your exhibit is misleading. 

1. Groden dishonestly picked out images of O'Connor and Custer--these are images from video-taped interviews in which they were clearly describing the condition of the head after the brain had been removed, and pointed out a large defect from the forehead to the back of the head. Groden took frames with their hands at the furthest back and made out that they were describing a wound only in that region. They should not be included on the list.

2. Rike did not see the wound but was merely describing where he touched the President's head through a sheet and felt it give way. He told me he couldn't rule out that there was broken bone in that area and he never presumed that that was the full extent of the wound. He should not be included on the list. 

3. Jones has long said that he didn't really get a look at the wound, and simply saw blood and brain-matted hair on the back part of the head. He should not be included on the list. 

4. Salyer is on the wrong location. This mistake reveals a problem with your method. By only showing one view. You give the illusion a number of these witnesses localized the wound on the back of the head, as opposed to the side of the head. Create a similar image using an anatomical drawing of the lateral view of the head, and you will find that the placement of the wound by a number of these witnesses had zero overlap with the wound as depicted in the McClelland drawing. 

5. This rear view depiction could also be improved by the use of an anatomy drawing, with the location of the occipital bone marked. if done it would become clear that the recollections of these witnesses are a strong argument against, and not for, the ridiculous claim the Harper fragment was occipital bone. 

[Pat Speer]

4 hours ago, David Josephs said:

From the WCR this is Humes' description of the wounds to the head... Following this description is a graphic representation of the description... To me this proves the "surgery to the head" as noted by the FBI, and the VAST difference in the wound between Dallas and Bethesda...
Following that illustration is a composite that shows where Humes sawed thru the skull on the LEFT side of the skull while contradicting this evidence by stating that the left side of the skull and brain were completely intact and the drawings of JFK as seen in Dallas... Humes is complicit in the cover-up yet was taking orders from Rear Admirals on down.. 
And then the honesty of Boswell's notes betrays this surgery yet again.. The brutality of what was done to JFK after the fact is hard to escape...
The concept that the "brain just fell out in Humes' hands" is without a doubt the most revealing and impossible of all the statements given the lack of damage to the left side of the skull... the last image is one of a series that can be found on line describing the process of brain removal at an autopsy. The strong connective tissues that surround the brain and the superior sagittal sinus must be carefully cut away as well as the dissection of the spinal cord at the bottom of the brain, top of the brain stem, the optic nerves and a host of other connective tissue.

 

 

By the time the casket was opened at 8pm and the audible gasp echoes in the morgue at the horrible condition of the man's head, over an hour of brutal surgery had been performed by a man barely qualified to perform it...
 

"We found that the right cerebral hemisphere was markedly disrupted. There was a longitudinal laceration of the right hemisphere which was parasagittal in position. By the sagittal plane, as you may know, is a plane in the midline which would divide the brain into right and left halves. This laceration was parasagittal. It was situated approximately (1 & 2) 2.5 cm. to the right of the midline, and extended from the tip of occipital lobe, which is the posterior portion of the brain, to the tip of the frontal lobe which is the most anterior portion of the brain, and it extended from the top down to the substance of the brain a distance of approximately 5 or 6 cm.  The base of the laceration was situated approximately 4.5 cm. below the vertex in the white matter. By the vertex we mean--the highest point on the skull is referred to as the vertex.
The area in which the greatest loss of brain substance was particularly in the parietal lobe, which is the major portion of the right cerebral hemisphere.
The margins of this laceration at all points were jagged and irregular, with additional lacerations extending in varying directions and for varying distances from the main laceration.
In addition, there was a (3) laceration of the corpus callosum which is a body of fibers which connects the two hemispheres of the brain to each other, which extended from the posterior to the anterior portion of this structure, that is the corpus callosum. Exposed in this laceration were portions of the ventricular system in which the spinal fluid normally is disposed within the brain.
When viewed from above the left cerebral hemisphere was intact. There was engorgement of blood vessels in the meninges covering the brain. We note that the gyri and sulci, which are the convolutions of the brain over the left hemisphere were of normal size and distribution.
Those on the right were too fragmented and distorted for satisfactory description.
(4) When the brain was turned over and viewed from its basular or inferior aspect, there was found a longitudinal laceration of the mid-brain through the floor of the third ventricle, just behind the optic chiasma and the mammillary bodies. This laceration partially communicates with an oblique 1.5 cm. tear through the left cerebral peduncle. This is a portion of the brain which connects the higher centers of the brain with the spinal cord which is more concerned with reflex actions."

 

I can only recommend, David, that you (and anyone with an interest) read chapter 16c on my website. The descriptions of the brain from the supplementary autopsy are the descriptions of a brain that has received a tremendous blow at the top of the head. It's not really subjective, even. It's just a scientific fact that the scalp, skull, and brain injuries all suggest an impact at the supposed exit location. 

[Vince Palamara]

17 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

I can only recommend, David, that you (and anyone with an interest) read chapter 16c on my website. The descriptions of the brain from the supplementary autopsy are the descriptions of a brain that has received a tremendous blow at the top of the head. It's not really subjective, even. It's just a scientific fact that the scalp, skull, and brain injuries all suggest an impact at the supposed exit location. 

Pat, in one sentence: where was the head wound located at?

[Pat Speer]

1 hour ago, Vince Palamara said:

Pat, in one sentence: where was the head wound located at?

While a careful study of the eyewitness evidence suggests the wound was further towards the back of the head than shown in the autopsy photos, the autopsy photos and x-rays are clear-cut proof for more than one shooter, and are most certainly accurate. 

Here's another one.... The widespread belief that the recollections of the Parkland doctors prove the back of the head was a blow-out exit for a bullet entering on the front of the head is both a misrepresentation of what many if not most of them believed, and a misrepresentation of the reliability of eyewitness recollections. 

Here's a third... This widespread belief became so prominent within the JFK research community that people hounding old people as to what they remembered about a seconds-long incident from 30, 40, 50 years earlier were considered experts on the medical evidence, despite their never picking up a textbook or reading a forensics journal which would have shed far more light upon the nature of JFK's wounds. 

And a fourth... This distraction essentially sucked all the air out of the room, and allowed those with an interest in propagating the single-assassin fantasy to continue to do so while arguing against a belief in ghouls and boogie-men, instead of what they should have been forced to argue against: hard science

Edited December 17, 2023 by Pat Speer

[Eddy Bainbridge]

Hi Pat,

The side to side head xray shows particles of something fanning out from the front of the head towards the rear. As this is 2D it is impossible to say where this fan comes to a point, but a good guess would be somewhere in the front of the skull. What in your view are these particles?

Edited December 17, 2023 by Eddy Bainbridge

[Pat Speer]

33 minutes ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

Hi Pat,

The side to side head xray shows particles of something fanning out from the front of the head towards the rear. As this is 2D it is impossible to say where this fan comes to a point, but a good guess would be somewhere in the front of the skull. What in your view are these particles?

It's not actually a trail as much as it's a splat of fragments by the large defect created when the bullet erupted on the skull. These fragments are presumably in the torn scalp, but some may even be in the hair. They most certainly are not within the brain, as that part of the brain was missing. As the largest fragment found within the skull is actually behind the right eye, the frequent argument the largest fragments were all on the back, and that this designates this splat as a trail from front to back, is nonsense. (Note that due to magnification the face on the A-P x-ray was roughly 20% larger in comparison to the back of the head, and that this places the fragments above the ear at the top of the head, where now-missing skull would normally slope up to the middle, and not an inch or more within the skull itself.)

Edited December 17, 2023 by Pat Speer

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

2 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

It's not actually a trail as much as it's a splat of fragments by the large defect created when the bullet erupted on the skull. These fragments are presumably in the torn scalp, but some may even be in the hair. They most certainly are not within the brain, as that part of the brain was missing. As the largest fragment found within the skull is actually behind the right eye, the frequent argument the largest fragments were all on the back, and that this designates this splat as a trail from front to back, is nonsense. (Note that due to magnification the face on the A-P x-ray was roughly 20% larger in comparison to the back of the head, and that this places the fragments above the ear at the top of the head, where now-missing skull would normally slope up to the middle, and not an inch or more within the skull itself.)

Any fragments in the hair (ie on the outside of the skull) ...............

................. Probly came from Oswald's shot-1 ricochet off the signals (at say pseudo Z105).

................  Possibly came from Hickey's shot which dented the chrome trim (at Z310).

................  Probly did not come from Hickey's headshot at Z313.

I have not seen any expert opinions re Dr David O Davis' comment that some xray fragments were probly on the outside.

 

[David Josephs]

7 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

the supplementary autopsy

You mean the one with the replacement brain?  Not going down that rabbit hole with you my friend.

All I did was illustrate what HUMES said.  Leave it at that.  I know we disagree.

[Marcus Fuller]

I watched a video last night on Vince Palamara's youtube channel which featured interviews with the guys that moved JFK's body in/out of the coffin and about his head wound at those times. The hole at the rear of the skull wasn't that large when it left Parkland, but was big enough for Custer to fit both his hands into when he did the x-rays.  He said there was no brain and that he remembers putting both hands (held together) into the empty skull. 

[Vince Palamara]

On 12/17/2023 at 1:22 PM, Pat Speer said:

While a careful study of the eyewitness evidence suggests the wound was further towards the back of the head than shown in the autopsy photos, the autopsy photos and x-rays are clear-cut proof for more than one shooter, and are most certainly accurate. 

Here's another one.... The widespread belief that the recollections of the Parkland doctors prove the back of the head was a blow-out exit for a bullet entering on the front of the head is both a misrepresentation of what many if not most of them believed, and a misrepresentation of the reliability of eyewitness recollections. 

Here's a third... This widespread belief became so prominent within the JFK research community that people hounding old people as to what they remembered about a seconds-long incident from 30, 40, 50 years earlier were considered experts on the medical evidence, despite their never picking up a textbook or reading a forensics journal which would have shed far more light upon the nature of JFK's wounds. 

And a fourth... This distraction essentially sucked all the air out of the room, and allowed those with an interest in propagating the single-assassin fantasy to continue to do so while arguing against a belief in ghouls and boogie-men, instead of what they should have been forced to argue against: hard science

I like this sentence especially: "the autopsy photos and x-rays are clear-cut proof for more than one shooter, and are most certainly accurate."

I hope your health improves, Pat. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your family.

 

[Vince Palamara]

5 hours ago, Marcus Fuller said:

I watched a video last night on Vince Palamara's youtube channel which featured interviews with the guys that moved JFK's body in/out of the coffin and about his head wound at those times. The hole at the rear of the skull wasn't that large when it left Parkland, but was big enough for Custer to fit both his hands into when he did the x-rays.  He said there was no brain and that he remembers putting both hands (held together) into the empty skull. 

I like that channel very much.