2024 Democratic Presidential Nominee

[James DiEugenio]

Matt, really that is so one sided, so biased that it is almost funny.

The reason RFK Jr pulled out and ran as an independent was simple.

He was going to do very well in New Hampshire, in fact, he might have won.

But the DNC and Biden threatened the whole NH delegation if they went ahead and did their election allowing him to get off to a rousing start.

And that was just the beginning.  In nine lawsuits they have tried to get him thrown off the ballot in 9 states.  When Bobby tried to do an event honoring his father and Cesar Chavez in LA, the DNC hired  Hispanic infiltrators  to trash the event on the street.  And if you did not hear Shanahan, they even sent in infiltrators to their offices. The DNC formed an organized hit team on RFK Jr, one that did not care what kind of tactics they used.

All the time concealing the fact that their candidate himself was debilitated.  They hid it until the whole country saw it on national TV.  And this is why they wanted no Democratic debates.  All the while knowing that Biden would have likely lost to Trump.

The DNC did this to Bernie and most people thought it was bad, but its not so bad in this case right?

[Matt Allison]

30 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

When Bobby tried to do an event honoring his father and Cesar Chavez in LA, the DNC hired  Hispanic infiltrators  to trash the event on the street.

Your interpretation of that period seems a bit creative, IMO:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/cesar-chavezs-family-demands-rfk-jr-stop-using-images-iconic-labor-lea-rcna145648

[Cliff Varnell]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

The DNC did this to Bernie and most people thought it was bad, but its not so bad in this case right?

Bernie spoke at the DNC 2024.  He endorsed Hillary in '16.  To compare RFKjf to Bernie is a joke.

RFKjr endorsed Trump out of personal pique?  His family, including his wife, are ashamed of him.

[W. Niederhut]

One month ago, RFK Jr said that JD Vance was owned by the CIA and Military Industrial Complex. - Democratic Underground Forums

(video link at DU)

Edited Saturday at 02:36 AM by W. Niederhut

[Kirk Gallaway]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

And this is why they wanted no Democratic debates.  All the while knowing that Biden would have likely lost to Trump.

This is more of this conspiracy gibberish. Jim knows the Dems would not deliberately lose to Trump, so he's forwarding the conspiracy theory  that for some reason they engineered a "coup" because they wanted Harris all along despite the fact that she was  not a particularly successful candidate when she ran on her own.

At one point Jim was bragging that RK was over 20%. So he went from 20% now down to 2%!  An absolutely horrible showing, but like Trump,  he now cries foul!

But what's even worse is he tries to barter his position for power with Harris, and gets rejected, and now he's hanging on a thread, trusting  Trump, and his cult who have no real moorings are exalted!

 

 

[Matt Allison]

FWIW, I much prefer this situation now; a straight-up, head-to-head matchup between Harris and Trump. Make it a true binary choice.

Like a referendum. "Democracy or Autocracy. Pick One, America."

[W. Niederhut]

26 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

This is more of this conspiracy gibberish. Jim knows the Dems would not deliberately lose to Trump, so he's forwarding the conspiracy theory  that for some reason they engineered a "coup" because they wanted Harris all along despite the fact that she was  not a particularly successful candidate when she ran on her own.

At one point Jim was bragging that RK was over 20%. So he went from 20% now down to 2%!  An absolutely horrible showing, but like Trump,  he now cries foul!

But what's even worse is he tries to barter his position for power with Harris, and gets rejected, and now he's hanging on a thread, trusting  Trump, and his cult who have no real moorings are exalted!

 

 

Exactly, Kirk.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around RFK, Jr.'s bizarre decision to endorse Trump.

It's almost beyond belief!

Does RFK, Jr. care about anything, other than himself?

No wonder his former environmentalist colleagues told him to get out of the race.

In effect, RFK, Jr. is now endorsing the guy who;

1)  Rolled back over 100 environmental regulations

2) Withdrew from the Paris Climate Accords

3)  Approved the Keystone XL pipeline

4)  Signed a massive tax cut for billionaires and corporations

5)  Tried to sabotage the Affordable Care Act

6)  Signed off on mandatory cuts to Medicare and Medicaid

7)  Abrogated Roe v. Wade-- by stacking the SCOTUS with Federalist Society judges

8 ) Tried to extort political favors (and a Big Lie) from President Zelensky, by withholding military support

9)  Organized slates of False Electors in multiple swing states that he lost in 2020

10) Incited a violent mob attack on the U.S. Congress to overturn an election

 

Edited Saturday at 03:24 AM by W. Niederhut

[Matt Allison]

I don't believe Trump will win, but I still must say, take this promise with a gigantic grain of salt:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/buoyed-by-rfk-jr-endorsement-trump-announces-renewed-plan-to-release-jfk-assassination-files?ref=home

For the un-informed people not well-versed in the details of the JFKA, they might think Trump is promising some sort of end to the mystery, which I'm afraid does not exist in any files.

Although the CIA really should release everything on Joannides.

Edited Saturday at 03:27 AM by Matt Allison

[Matt Allison]

A word from JFK's grandson- his future heir-apparent, on Jr.'s endorsement of Trump:

"Jack Schlossberg, the 31-year-old grandson of John F. Kennedy, also mocked his cousin’s decision. “Never been less surprised in my life,” he said. “Been saying it for over a year—RFK Jr is for sale, works for Trump.”"

[Karl Kinaski]

 The problem is that Deep State puppet Comrade Kamala is, she is not expressing her own thoughts—if she ever expresses any at all. Like Biden, she is a politician following a script given to her by the U.S. Parakratos. The same applies here in Europe with figures like Thierry Breton, Macron, Von der Leyen, etc. In the last four years, they have strictly followed the directives of U.S. foreign policy. (And sadly US "pandemic policies", except Sweden.)

We have some Trump-like figures here: In Austria, it is Kickl; in Hungary, Orban; and in Slovakia, Fico, who they tried to kill in May. In France, it is Marine Le Pen.

The so-called free world has long become a kind of Western Bloc and we in Europe don't like it. If Harris becomes president in November, the EU will scramble because of it's own citizens, and some of the countries of the old continent will leave the EU  and join BRICS..." 

"@John Cotter, thanks for the Shiran info. The fact that Harris denied Shiran appeale for freedom says it all. Even RFK Jr., the victim's son, is saying that Shiran never hit his father with any bullet´... and thx for the clarification in the other thread: Yes. Cheatle did say she was told the number of casings found on the roof beside Crooks, but she can't name it." 

 

Edited Saturday at 10:49 AM by Karl Kinaski

[Cliff Varnell]

1 hour ago, Karl Kinaski said:

 The problem is that Deep State puppet Comrade Kamala is, she is not expressing her own thoughts—if she ever expresses any at all. Like Biden, she is a politician following a script given to her by the U.S. Parakratos.

A little knowledge is a specious thing.

In 1968 left-wing youth protests against the Vietnam War inspired an American President to give notice.

In 2024 left-wing student protests against the Gaza War helped inspire an American President to give notice.

1 hour ago, Karl Kinaski said:

 

The same applies here in Europe with figures like Thierry Breton, Macron, Von der Leyen, etc. In the last four years, they have strictly followed the directives of U.S. foreign policy. (And sadly US "pandemic policies", except Sweden.)

We have some Trump-like figures here: In Austria, it is Kickl; in Hungary, Orban; and in Slovakia, Fico, who they tried to kill in May. In France, it is Marine Le Pen.

The so-called free world has long become a kind of Western Bloc and we in Europe don't like it. If Harris becomes president in November, the EU will scramble because of it's own citizens, and some of the countries of the old continent will leave the EU  and join BRICS..." 

How did Brexit work out for the British?

 

[Karl Kinaski]

1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

How did Brexit work out for the British?

Maybe they should join BRICS? ;-)   

Edited Saturday at 09:05 AM by Karl Kinaski

[Paul Rigby]

2 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

How did Brexit work out for the British?

Rather better than it did for Germany, the economic heart of the America's EU empire, and the most rapidly de-industrialising country on the continent - all thanks to the US sabotage of Nord Stream, courtesy of the worst case of eco-terrorism in history.

Worse still, we can now hold directly accountable those who make policy in our name, unlike those the US appoints to run the EU in its interests. Some of us still prefer elections to secretive cabals as the basis of electing leaders, which no doubt incurs the displeasure of apologists for the Democrat party, the oligarchs' play-thing.

 

[Paul Rigby]

CNN instantly confirms RFK Jr.'s unwelcome truths about the contemporary Democrats and their media accessories:

 

[Paul Rigby]

1 hour ago, Karl Kinaski said:

Maybe they should join BRICS? 😉  

Yes, please