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Michael Clark

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  1. Steven Hager: The Two Oswalds

    That's very cool Sandy...
  2. The Paine Files

    It looks like Dallas and Washington to me.
  3. The Paine Files

    The testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine was taken at 9:15 a.m., on March 21, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C., by Messrs. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., and Norman Redlich, assistant counsels of the President's Commission. Mr. JENNER - Let the record show that this is a continuation by deposition pursuant to leave granted by the Commission of Mrs. Paine's testimony before the Commission which we had concluded late in the day yesterday. -------------------------------------- Mr. JENNER - Now, I have, which I will mark only for identification, three file cases of correspondence of your themes or writings in college. You might be better able to describe what is in these boxes than I in the way of general summary. Would you do so? Mrs. PAINE - It also includes information helpful to me in recreation leadership, games, something of songs. It includes a list of the people to whom I sent birth announcements, things of that nature. Mr. JENNER - It covers a span of years going back to your college days? Mrs. PAINE - And a few papers prior to college. Mr. JENNER - I have marked these boxes for identification numbers 457, 458, and 459. During my meeting with you Wednesday morning, I exhibited the contents of those boxes to you, and are the materials in the boxes other than material which is printed or is obviously from some other source that which purports to be in your handwriting, actually in your handwriting? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - And those pieces of correspondence which purport to be letters from your mother, your father, your brother, and your sister are likewise the originals of those letters? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - And the copies of letters which purport to be letters from you to your mother, father, sister, and brother, and in some instances others are copies of letters that you dispatched? Mrs. PAINE - That is right. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. JENNER - Back on the record, please.We asked you yesterday if you loaned any money to Marina or to Lee Oswald, and your answer was in the negative. Mrs. PAINE - That is right. Mr. JENNER - We asked you if you had given any money to either of them, and your answer was in the negative, that is, cash. ......................
  4. The St. Ruthie and St. Michael "We both know" call

    I would also assume that security groups at Bell Helicopter, folks like I. B. Hale, would have the capability to listen-in on and record their employees conversations.
  5. I was going off-topic in a couple of other threads, so I made a new one... "I am thinking the phone call was a sheep-dipping operation. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, including Nixon and Rabin, went through the process. The Warren report did not even have to support it, or be factual about that call; the message was sent, even Michael was given the "out" (that he was not at work on Saturday to take or place that call). The details could always be changed. The "Confidential informant" who spread the rumor which the WC saw-fit to ask-about, in-session, and his correct statement, could always turn-up later." " Imagine later testimony, or an interrogation, if things rolled-out in a very different way. What's Michal or Ruth going th say;...."Insert vastly more incriminating statement that actually happened, and for which there is a recorded phone call or multiple witnesses" here.?"
  6. The Paine Files

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
  7. The latest from Ruth Paine

    My selection was hasty. I am going to have to put together a selection of better research, for quick access, so they will be ready for Paul's ubuiquitous "Ruth "fluffs" butterflies"posts.
  8. The Paine Files

    I am sceptical that there would be anything in those files that was not meant to be, or planned to be in those files. If Oswald was a witting intelligence operative, even he would not have kept that stuff around, unsecured.
  9. The Paine Files

    ...in order to remove the pre-text for a Cuban invasion. Since, in my view, there was a plan in-place to blame Pro-Castro Cubans for the assassination, manufactured evidence was in place to tie Oswald to Pro-Castro Cubans, in a conspiracy. Those files once held that evidence.
  10. Johnny Roselli and Howard Hunt?

    Thanks Larry.
  11. The St. Ruthie and St. Michael "We both know" call

    This is the only WC testimony that I have regarding the Ruth-Michael "We both Know" call. The WC testimony of MP, that I have, does not provide a time for the call. AFAIK, Ruth is never asked. Mr. LIEBELER - Now, there has been a report that on November 23, 1963, there was a telephone call between a man and a woman, between the numbers of your residence and the number of your office, in which the man was reported to have said in words or substance, "We both know who is responsible for the assassination." Have you been asked about this before?Mr. PAINE - I had heard that--I didn't know it was associated with our numbers. I had heard a report that some telephone operator had listened in on a conversation somewhere, I don't know where it was. I thought it was some other part of the country.Mr. LIEBELER - Did you talk to your wife on the telephone at any time during Saturday, November 23, on the telephone?Mr. PAINE - I was in the police station again, and I think I called her from there.Mr. LIEBELER - Did you make any remark to the effect that you knew who was responsible?Mr. PAINE - And I don't know who the assassin is or was; no, so I did not.Mr. LIEBELER - You are positive in your recollection that you made no such remark?Mr. PAINE - Yes.
  12. Johnny Roselli and Howard Hunt?

    Hey Brian, this is an interesting tid-bit to me. Did you ever find any more verification for this?
  13. "That Glorious Banquet"

    Richard Nixon. There are several stories for his presence. I'll add one or more here.
  14. "That Glorious Banquet"

    When Julius Caesar was assassinated, Marcus Tulius Cicero, who was away from Rome for the occasion, wrote his friend, Senator and conspirator, Gaius Trebonius, saying "I wish that I could have been present for that glorious banquet; there would have been no leavings".By "leavings" Tully was not referring to sweet potato fries left uneaten, he was referring to Mark Anthony. Gaius Trebonius was opposed to killing Mark Anthony because, he argued, the action against Caesar was not a coup de ta, or a murder; it was an execution.Sorting-out that distinction is a very interesting argument, but requires an understanding of the Republican Roman "constitution", as it was. The salient point is that (almost) everyone had a hand in the matter. There are several accounts as to how many wounds Caesar received, and there are more participants than wounds, by most accounts. .It's fair, here, to offer JFK's statement that Success has a hundred fathers, while Failure is an orphan. That there happened to be many, many, "fathers" near Dealy Plaza, roundabout 11-22-63 is a subject that is often encountered during our investigation and dialectic.There was careful attention paid to a sheep-dipping operation for the Dallas hit; and it went to the top, and everywhere else. In this case, it should be called a "wolf-dipping"..
  15. The Paine Files

    I veered-off on to the phone call.... above.
  16. The Paine Files

    Imagine later testimony, or an interrogation, if things rolled-out in a very different way. What's Michal or Ruth going th say;...."Insert vastly more incriminating statement that actually happened, and for which there is a recorded phone call or multiple witnesses" here.?
  17. The Paine Files

    I am thinking the phone call was a sheep-dipping operation. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, including Nixon and Rabin, went through the process. The Warren report did not even have to support it, or be factual about that call; the message was sent, even Michael was given the "out" (that he was not at work on Saturday to take or place that call). The details could always be changed. The "Confidential informant" who spread the rumor which the WC saw-fit to ask-about in session, and his correct statement, could always turn-up later.
  18. The latest from Ruth Paine

    I assume that I am on Paul's ignore list.
  19. The latest from Ruth Paine

    Paul, what are you reading to come-up with this stuff? That is not a reading of events, it is fiction or it is not. Where are you extracting this data from? Would you care to share? ill share something. I'll post where the item I am sharing comes from. In the article I'll share, sources are cited. "Later in life when Paine was on assignment in Nicaragua during the 1990s, she very briefly and opaquely opened up to a friend concerning the murder and her part in it: There was, however, one occasion when the friend tried to bring up the assassination when Ruth began to say how sad she was that her daughter (then about 40) was estranged from her. Ruth said that her daughter told her that she refused to talk to her until “she came to grips with the evil that she had been associated with.” The friend said that Ruth had tears in her eyes when she said this and was certain that this was a veiled reference to the Kennedy assassination." http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2013/09/why-cia-assigned-ruth-paine-to-oswalds.html?m=1 See how that works Paul? You can see that I am not making stuff up. One has to assume that you are making stuff up, unless you provide a source for what otherwise appears to be your own fiction. Regards, Michael
  20. JDF: Z405 Running-and-Wouned-Guy

    Assuming that the Tage curb-shot came from a location near Elm and Houston, the running-guy, near to the right of the light pole in the above pic, had to have been close to that bullet when it came flying by. And, man, he looks like it. He is running in a direction that makes sense for that shot. Check-out the Frames that show this guy. He holds his hand to his head twice. He looks like he is wounded.
  21. The latest from Ruth Paine

    The WC testimony of MP, that I have, does not provide a time for the call. AFAIK, Ruth is never asked. Mr. LIEBELER - Now, there has been a report that on November 23, 1963, there was a telephone call between a man and a woman, between the numbers of your residence and the number of your office, in which the man was reported to have said in words or substance, "We both know who is responsible for the assassination." Have you been asked about this before? Mr. PAINE - I had heard that--I didn't know it was associated with our numbers. I had heard a report that some telephone operator had listened in on a conversation somewhere, I don't know where it was. I thought it was some other part of the country. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you talk to your wife on the telephone at any time during Saturday, November 23, on the telephone? Mr. PAINE - I was in the police station again, and I think I called her from there. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you make any remark to the effect that you knew who was responsible? Mr. PAINE - And I don't know who the assassin is or was; no, so I did not. Mr. LIEBELER - You are positive in your recollection that you made no such remark? Mr. PAINE - Yes.
  22. The latest from Ruth Paine

    Sorry Jim, didn't mean to post to this thread. I reposted your question below...
  23. The Paine Files

    I would love to see a follow-up from Ashton on that research.
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