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Who was QJ/WIN

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On 5/6/2018 at 6:39 PM, Michael Clark said:

I guess we can all just buy a pig and take-up truffle-hunting now.

 

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19 hours ago, Rich Pope said:

I don't understand your farm-fed humor.  Ed Clark did everything for LBJ and he was a very powerful man in Texas.

Well, you got that it was humor; so you can’t say that you didn’t get it. 

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6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

David,

 

This is probably the wrong thread for this, but look at page 70 of the document you posted:

 

employees, agents or informants:

Laverne Crafard and James Earl Ray. my, my, my.

 

Steve Thomas

That was fun, but, the document reads: "were above employees agents or informants".

One could be forced to read that as... "Were the above employees agents, or informants?", given that an agent is in employee and an informant is not. (I make no claim to really knowing what I am talking about here.

One could also read that the writer was asking if the individuals were any of the three.

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Well I wouldn't want to do that.  I would say Craford would be a name I would expect to be pursued by any new investigation so that makes sense to me, it would be something from as early as the WC.   The James Earl Ray name would have come out of MLK and Ray's remarks about Raoul - that was a story the HSCA did investigate so no real big surprise there.  What is probably more amazing is given the number of names and crypts on that list that they were able to make any progress at all....just think of yourself starting an investigation with that list, a limited number of experienced staff, none of the data resources we have today, a deadline - and knowing you will get no cooperation from the CIA or FBI....whew. 

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9 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

That was fun, but, the document reads: "were above employees agents or informants".

One could be forced to read that as... "Were the above employees agents, or informants?", given that an agent is in employee and an informant is not. (I make no claim to really knowing what I am talking about here.

One could also read that the writer was asking if the individuals were any of the three.

Michael,

 

You're absolutely right, but I asked myself; even if the note at the bottom of that page is in the form of a question, why they would appear at all in a list of names that included F.Lee Chrisman and Charles Siragusa?

 

Steve Thomas

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On 5/9/2018 at 1:54 AM, Steve Thomas said:

Michael,

 

You're absolutely right, but I asked myself; even if the note at the bottom of that page is in the form of a question, why they would appear at all in a list of names that included F.Lee Chrisman and Charles Siragusa?

 

Steve Thomas

It’s very interesting and suggestive. 

Question for anyone - when we recover documents, such as the ones naming QJWIN as Jose Marie Andre Mankel, can we completely trust the veracity of the document? I’ve read all the available docs here and elsewhere, but I’ve yet to find a detailed bio, or any good photos. Yet I’ve read the essays naming him before documents were released, by authors who thought they had solved the mystery by looking at biographical info. Anyone know where there is more detail on who he was?

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On 5/8/2018 at 5:54 PM, Michael Clark said:

Well, you got that it was humor; so you can’t say that you didn’t get it. 

Smile.  

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4 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

It’s very interesting and suggestive. 

Question for anyone - when we recover documents, such as the ones naming QJWIN as Jose Marie Andre Mankel, can we completely trust the veracity of the document? I’ve read all the available docs here and elsewhere, but I’ve yet to find a detailed bio, or any good photos. Yet I’ve read the essays naming him before documents were released, by authors who thought they had solved the mystery by looking at biographical info. Anyone know where there is more detail on who he was?

Good question.  However, just by dumb luck over my lifetime I made friends with two CIA officers.  The elder officer who is retired is very candid when I ask him questions.  When I asked him who QJWIN was, he flat-out told me Mankel, without hesitation.  I have a list of all the CIA operations and what their code names were from A to Z.  Here is a portion of my conversation with my CIA contact:  Mr. XXXXXX,  who or what was QJ/WIN?  QJ/WIN was the code name for the CIA's head of assassins (based in London).  Was QJ/WIN Jose Marie Andre Mankel or Michael Metz/ Jean Souetre?  Mankel.  What do you know about Souetre?  Bad Hombre!  It was proven he WAS tied to Lucien Sarti!  Resulted in some type of internal sanctions but closely held actions!  Do you know if he was in Dallas on 11/22/63?  He was!

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Helms recalls Executive Action (ZRRIFLE) as "a tiny little thing" (52) which nonetheless had as one of its purposes a capability to assassinate foreign leaders. (54) He remembered that there was a single asset who was a capability in being... If you needed somebody to carry out murder I guess you had a man who might be prepared to carry it out.  (50) I finally phased it out, HELMS said. (51) HELMS said that the "special basis" for handling ZRRIFLE funds was for bookkeeping reasons (53) to avoid the normal clearance procedures. (54) II·

TURNOVER OF SYNDICATE CONTACT TO HARVEY I.G. REPORT, 1967: Project ZRRIFLE continued on a separate course from the CIA-ROSELLI poison pill assassination plot against CASTRO until November 15, 1961: HARVEY has a note that on that date he discussed with BISSELL the application of the ZRRIFLE program to Cuba. HARVEY says that BISSELL instructed him to take over EDWARDS' contact with the criminal syndicate and thereafter to run the operation against CASTRO.n (39)

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/docid-32423557.pdf

 

 

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