Roger Craig

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Oh, and considering the fact that the DPD claimed it had been left on the roof by a security guard when asked about it in 1967.

Source:  Murder in Dealey Plaza, edited by James Fetzer, p. 94

32 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Source:  Murder in Dealey Plaza, edited by James Fetzer, p. 94

 

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So you're not even going to try to cite the original source?

29 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

So you're not even going to try to cite the original source?

Just as soon as you cite yours.

Oh wait... everything you said was pure speculation. There is nothing that can be cited. LOL

56 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Just as soon as you cite yours.

Oh wait... everything you said was pure speculation. There is nothing that can be cited. LOL

 

Maybe the problem here is that you (apparently) consider Fetzer the original source.  This would require Fetzer to be in conversation with the members of the Dallas Police Department who (supposedly) stated that a security guard left the rifle up on the roof of the Depository building.

When did Fetzer talk to these guys?  What are the identities of these police officers?

Since David is looking in at the moment as I write this.  If Roger Craig Is Wrong I Don't Wanna Be Right.

On 9/3/2022 at 6:37 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

Craig was right [about a rifle with no scope found on the roof]. [It can be seen in the Mentesana film.]

On 9/3/2022 at 9:19 AM, Bill Brown said:

I could just as easily claim that the Mentesana film shows an officer holding his own shotgun, which of course would not have a scope attached.

On 9/3/2022 at 9:47 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

Which would be rather odd considering how gingerly the officer was handling the gun. And considering how the other officers gathered around to take a look.

On 9/3/2022 at 9:47 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

Oh, and considering the fact that the DPD claimed it had been left on the roof by a security guard when asked about it in 1967.

On 9/3/2022 at 9:55 AM, Bill Brown said:

Cite please. (I'm betting you can't cite the original source)

According to an interview of Thayer Waldo by Leon Hubert, Jr. on behalf of the Warren Commission in June 1964:

Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter Thayer Waldo learned of the roof rifle when its discovery was first called in to the DPD. Waldo was in the DPD at the time, near Captain Glen King's office.

According to an article in L.A. Free Press, March 1, 1968, page 3:

Some time later, Capt. King told Waldo that the rifle found on the roof had been dropped by a security officer. Waldo passed this information on to Penn Jones.

FP: Free Press
RC: Roger Craig
PJ: Penn Jones

16 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

 

 

According to an interview of Thayer Waldo by Leon Hubert, Jr. on behalf of the Warren Commission in June 1964:

Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter Thayer Waldo learned of the roof rifle when its discovery was first called in to the DPD. Waldo was in the DPD at the time, near Captain Glen King's office.

According to an article in L.A. Free Press, March 1, 1968, page 3:

Some time later, Capt. King told Waldo that the rifle found on the roof had been dropped by a security officer. Waldo passed this information on to Penn Jones.

 

FP: Free Press
RC: Roger Craig
PJ: Penn Jones

 

16 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

 

 

According to an interview of Thayer Waldo by Leon Hubert, Jr. on behalf of the Warren Commission in June 1964:

Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter Thayer Waldo learned of the roof rifle when its discovery was first called in to the DPD. Waldo was in the DPD at the time, near Captain Glen King's office.

According to an article in L.A. Free Press, March 1, 1968, page 3:

Some time later, Capt. King told Waldo that the rifle found on the roof had been dropped by a security officer. Waldo passed this information on to Penn Jones.

 

FP: Free Press
RC: Roger Craig
PJ: Penn Jones

 

King is the original source.  You still haven't provided anything from King.

All you're doing is taking hearsay as gospel.

On 9/3/2022 at 12:09 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I'll cite my assertions after you cite yours.

 

On 9/3/2022 at 8:37 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

No, Craig was right. Except for the make of the gun.

In a compilation of amateur films made by Dallas Cinema Associates (DCA), is a film clip showing police officers bringing a rifle down the fire escape from the TSBD roof. (The film was reportedly shot by a man named Charles Mentesana.) The rifle has no scope, thereby proving that it is neither the Mauser nor the Carcano.

According to researcher Ira David Wood, the rifle appears to be a British Enfield.

Richard Sprague showed the DCA film to Jim Garrison, and he commented on it in his book. It is now in archives of Western New England College in Springfield, Massachusetts).

 

"The film clip showing police officers bringing a rifle down the fire escape from the TSBD roof"

False. Show us the frames.

I would not rely on anything Ira David Woods. I don't know about the Mentesana film, but the most important one of the DCA film, the John Martin original film was in the hands of the Martin film the last I heard. 

On 9/2/2022 at 7:04 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Wow.  I guess it's probably just an interesting coincidence the Chief of Station in Rome in 1963 was Bill Harvey.  The same Bill Harvey who had been in charge of assassination attempts on Castro, through which he became life long friends with Johnny Roselli.  The same Bill Harvey that RFK wanted fired because Harvey was still running ops to Cuba after JFK ordered them stopped.  But the CIA shipped him off to Rome instead.  The same Bill Harvey who went to Florida in the spring of 1963 for a "fishing trip" with Roselli (and likely David Morales) and was seen on a plane headed to Dallas by one of his employees in late November 1963.

Bump.

On 9/1/2022 at 12:50 PM, Kathy Beckett said:

Two Men in Dallas, thanks to Vince Palamara.

 

This such a powerful video.  Especially the last 15 minutes or so.  Craig seems so honest and sincere, exasperated, depressed after the multiple attacks he has suffered.  The multiple injuries from being run off the road, year in the hospital.  One of us would have to go, you can't have corroborating witnesses.  That last statement, still unemployed he seemed destined to fate.

I've always had a problem with a man familiar with guns, owning two handguns, using a rifle to shoot himself in the chest.  A chance of missing the heart/surviving/suffering.  Holding the rifle at arm's length, pulling the trigger with a thumb.  While he could have stuck one of the pistols in his mouth and pointed it upwards.  He likely understood this.   

On 9/7/2022 at 11:58 PM, Miles Massicotte said:

5a) I am not aware of any Mauser with the exact phrasing "7.65 Mauser" stamped on the barrel, however I can find examples of Mauser rifles with both "7.65" and "Mauser" labelled closely together.

A little back in this topic I posted this Maurser with " 7 65 mm Mauser " on top of the barrel, this was done after they grinded off the original Crest-symbol (remains still a little visible on the left) and engraved to meet US standards when to be sold as army-surplus with these markings. I also added a link in that post.  The refle has also markings on the side etc. It is not in bog bold letter, but upon some closer inspection surely visible i.m.o.. 

On 9/6/2022 at 3:58 PM, Denis Morissette said:

"The film clip showing police officers bringing a rifle down the fire escape from the TSBD roof"

False.

Nope. You're wrong.

The Mentesana film is part of a DCA (Dallas Cinema Associates) film compilation that is now in archives of Western New England College (Springfield, Massachusetts).

Jim Garrison saw the film and he wrote about the roof rifle in his book.

Roger Craig said he saw them bring the roof rifle down.

I'll bet the roof rifle was in a few early news reports. But I'm not gonna waste any more of my time trying to convince you or BB.

On 9/6/2022 at 3:58 PM, Denis Morissette said:

I would not rely on anything Ira David Woods.

Why? I checked out what he wrote about the rifle and found it all in other reliable sources.

8 hours ago, Miles Massicotte said:

Thanks for the info, I missed this somehow. Edited my post above to reflect. How cool, I've never actually seen them next to each other yet......so it seems like it's possible to see the phrase "7.65 Mauser" if the rifle had it's origin as an army-surplus product or something similar.

Just checked, it was in the other topic : The Case for a Mauser -- Part I  (not in this topic, I was wrong on this)

About the 7.65 Mauser here's the link https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/7-65-mauser-marking.170943/

6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Nope. You're wrong.

The Mentesana film is part of a DCA (Dallas Cinema Associates) film compilation that is now in archives of Western New England College (Springfield, Massachusetts).

Jim Garrison saw the film and he wrote about the roof rifle in his book.

Roger Craig said he saw them bring the roof rifle down.

I'll bet the roof rifle was in a few early news reports. But I'm not gonna waste any more of my time trying to convince you or BB.

 

 

Why? I checked out what he wrote about the rifle and found it all in other reliable sources.

 

I hope people will have enough sense to check out Sandy's claims.