David Josephs

Sadly no, but thanks.... that is a #'d photo of the rifle... I don't even know where the exhibit above, with all the photo #'s, is from... ?? HSCA??

Can someone please direct me to the exhibits with all these photograph reference #'s... I must be cross-eyed as I simply cannot locate them... Thanks DJ

Maybe this helps... The white shadow I drew in would appear to match the shadow in the Zfilm ... the whiule lines follow the different shadow's directions The B&W version was taken later in the day as the sun has travel more to the WEST, moving the shadow on the building to the East. We don't see the shadow in Altgens as he looks down Houston so it must start just to the right....

That may just be generational... when you lighten it like I did you see it's a shadow

I see what you're talking about David... Looks like that was a shadow... Here is a better gif of those 3 windows there in the zfilm and gone in the re-enactment...

Pretty sure that JFK is simply brushing his hair back as he did so many times along the route.. the blur of his hand is what causes the street to bleed over - The image is from Weaver... yet when we look especially close one wonders where the men from the 5th floor windows are... Williams said they had to open the windows to get a good view...(think it was him)

That's the turn from Main onto Houston showing the lead motorcycle and relating it to the Zfilm.... Just as the limo turns onto Houston, the cyclist is starting his turn onto Elm...

Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots. Shots were removed from the film.... read what Dino said at NPIC about the number of shots on the z film he saw... Doug Horne vol 4.... 3 shots has been so ingrained it’s hard not to think of anything but... ... but there were closer to 6 shots than 3....

Or coordinated firing via radio communication.. "Fire!" and 2-4 shooters shoot... sounds like one, unless they used one of these with a sabot

Mr. Butler... Your post above, your insistence below that Moorman and Hill were moved from up the street (among a number of interesting photographic suggestions of yours)... is the reason I block you and prefer not to read your posts... As Chris D. proved, the turn was removed not only to hide the wide turn but to create an artificial starting frame #... 133 which somehow relates to 161 and Pos A Mr. SPECTER. Well, let's start with the position which is the most easterly point on Elm Street, which I believe would be position A, would it not? Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes. ----- Mr. SPECTER. This chart has been marked as Commission Exhibit No. 886. (The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 886 for identification.) Mr. SHANEYFELT. This shows the photograph that was made from the point where Zapruder was standing looking toward the car, and is a point that we have designated as position A because it is in a position that did not appear on the Zapruder film. The Zapruder film does not start until the car gets farther down Elm Street. So the one REAL QUESATION we have is Since the limo passes thru POSITION A... how does the limo get to z133 when the Secret Service follow-up car is literally on the limo's back bumper... maybe a 5-8 foot spread? So maybe the limo turned wide yet the Queen Mary didn't... Between 138 and 161 Hickey and Rosemary Willis react at street level that look like a reaction to something hitting the street Another question would be the total time/# of frames it takes for the limo to get from z132, to its position at 133 and/or Pos A The limo was just turning off Main onto Houston as the lead motorcycle enters the turn... the limo travels about 250 feet to get to z133 at 12mph = 17.6 feet/sec = just over 14 seconds... y'all can take it from here....

John... Google, you might have heard of it?? And no John, I don't think you're a Cointelpro agent... just that you and others use the techniques when confronted with actual evidence in support of a concept While there have been agents in the JFK forums - and many probably still are - it doesn't take very long to separate wheat from shaft

You'd have to read the MATH RULES thread to understand the significance of these changes... the frame from which the limo emerges from the turn onto Elm and Position A are related... are you aware how? Are you also aware that SHANEYFELT moved the path of the limo south for each one of the dots with frame #'s on the plat? In essence, Shaneyfelt's move has 166 become 171 ala CE884.. .9 feet in 3 frames becomes .9ft in 5 frames - less than 3mph... do you see the limo moving at les than 3mph at 161 thru 166? The only thing for sure... if you remove that turn, you can start the frame counter at any number you'd (Shaneyfelt) like. Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to ascertain the speed of the Presidential limousine at the time of the assassination? Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; because we were able to determine the speed of the camera, and thereby accurately determine the length of time it takes for a specific number of frames to run through the camera at this 18.3 frames per second, and having located these frame positions in the street, we took the farthest distance point we had in the Zapruder film which was frame 161 through frame 313. Dave... isn't the "farthest distance" to frame 133? What happens between 132 and 161 ? the syncing of the Towner film (at over 22 fps instead of the usual 16-18 fps) to Zapruder

That's one thing none of these rebuttal artists wants to touch... let alone that according to WCR the sight was reassembled with the rest of the rifle... with a dime... and never test fired... there is literally no way anyone could know where shots would go if looking thru that sight.... then again, our man Brennen claims there was no scope... ??? an 11 degree RISE from back to front... if anyone wonders why FORD did what he did At z225 - any LNer want to take a crack at how, when shooting from 70 feet in the air DOWN to a target... the bullet rises... It is said Knudsen took the only REAL AUTOPSY PHOTOS and Mr. Purdy. What other things besides the body did you see, other than the rulers? Mr. Knudsen. What appeared to be stainless steel probes. Mr. Purdy. About how long were they? Mr. Knudsen. The probes? Mr. Purdy. Yes. Mr. Knudsen. I would estimate about two foot. Mr. Purdy. Was there one probe that you saw through the body, or were there more than one? Mr. Knudsen. More than one. === Mr. Purdy. The metal probe extended from the front of the neck to the back of the neck? Mr. Knudsen. Right. One was through the chest cavity. Mr. Purdy. Did it go all the way through? Mr. Knudsen. Yes. It seems to me that the entry point was a little bit lower in the back than -- well, the point in the back was a little bit lower than the point in the front. Put it that way. So the probe was going diagonally from top to bottom, front to back. Mr. Knudsen. Right about where the neck-tie is. That would be somewhere in that vicinity. Mr. Purdy. Approximately how much lower than that would you say the other probe, which went through the chest cavity? Mr. Knudsen. I would put it six, seven inches. Mr. Purdy. The probe that you said you could see coming out of the neck, the front of the neck, where was it out of the back of the neck? How high up would you say that one was. Mr. Knudsen. About the base of the neck. Also a good idea to read SAUNDRA KAY SPENCER's deposition from May 5, 1997 for yet another description of "the" photos.

I was under the impression no one was able to reproduce the shooting sequence... can you post that evidence Robert? Pulling the trigger 3 times is no big feat... getting Oswald into that window... now that may take a few more than 3 tries..

Great... the blind leading the deaf and dumb... you choose who is who...

FWIW - the rebuttal of a LNer... FC - ever hear of COINTELPRO TECHNIQUES FOR DISRUPTING FORUMS? Here are a few which apply perfectly... 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

FC... sorry.. not semantics at all... HUGE diff between Faked and Altered... Z did film the scene... so not Faked... yet what we see today is not all that was on the in camera original.... Faked.. forge or counterfeit Altered... change or cause to change in character or composition, typically in a comparatively small but significant way Try to remember the film is in 8 pieces

Faked? No. Altered and edited... yes. ...... Now you answer... the copy to Rowley in DC.... what happens to this copy after viewed in DC early morning Saturday? what role did Abe’s partner play in all this and what does he say... when do YOU think Hawkeyeworks has any film with which to work? finally, you aware what Mrs. Z tells us about Friday night? I look forward to real answers JC...

- How again is a film in 8 pieces - unaltered or unedited? "I'm sorry to disappoint you but so far, you, Mister Josephs, have not proved that the Zapruder film is faked. " edit - I never said it was faked... we are talking about editing or altering... focus please.

Let's see... I offer proof with a logical arguments ' ' ' and you offer opinions.. tautologies and ad hominem . Mr. G didn't get his copy before the 24th of Nov... so how again would he know what happened to the film before he gets to it?

Mr. C... You have no more a franchise on the authenticity of the Zapruder film than anyone else... the extant film has no less than 7 splices in it... you trying to prove THIS FILM was never edited ??? There is over 45 feet of film from one side of a 30 foot reel... (25' plus leader times an A and B side) If the film was not edited.. it would be a single, continuous 25 feet of film... So please.. you can stop insulting the collective intelligence of this body by claiming something which is provably false... With regards to the STOP/START at 132.... with no light bleed like frames 001 - 004 the segue from 132 to 133 is a SPLICE Mr. BELIN. The street leading to the expressway, that diagonal street? Mr. TRULY. That is right.And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn. Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here. Mr. BELIN. All right. And FC... when and if you can ever learn the significance of POSITION A and why it would be included in the reenactments... you might actually learn something... then again, you aint gonna learn what you dont wanna know....

I should add that above the names at the top of the diagram I posted (the sponsors) would be Bundy, Harriman, Rockefeller, McCoy... just sayin' == So Robert... is it Lemay who orders Galloway despite the Air Force v Navy problem? or do you think the order comes from the JCS... Lemay or Naval Chief Anderson David L McDonald who was made Chief in August 1963 David McDonald: ====== Not "doing the do" yet maybe a little dancing after a romantic dinner? https://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Mirrors-David-C-Martin/dp/0060130377/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JD254C3WSCGNFJCNQ5M0 This one deals only with Angleton and William Harvey.. very interesting book.

Interesting line of questioning Denny... yet the real crime occurs at Bethesda with what GALLOWAY , KENNEY & BURKLEY have Humes, Boswell and Finck sign off to... Hoover and the FBI had access to all the evidence... they could fashion any story they wanted... yet we know Hoover was covering for the CIA.... Hoover had never really been in the top echelon of control... he was just of tool of those up there...

or the fact this same bullet arrives at the FBI twice.. ??? Todd brings the Dallas bullet to Frasier at 7:30pm Q1 Todd sees Rowley who gives him a bullet to bring to Frasier at 8:50pm And if you look below, the FBI is waiting - during the autopsy - for yet ...the other [bullet] is lodged behind JFK's ear... If the Secret Service has "one of the bullets that struck JFK" at 9:17pm in DC AND Q1 is received at 7:30pm from Todd AND Chief Rowley gives Todd a bullet at 8:50pm which is identified by Todd as the one gotten from Rowley (in essence Rowley handing this bullet to Todd remains the ONLY ACTUAL identified chain of evidence for any bullet. How many CE399's does it take to screw in a light bulb?