David Josephs

John... Google, you might have heard of it?? And no John, I don't think you're a Cointelpro agent... just that you and others use the techniques when confronted with actual evidence in support of a concept While there have been agents in the JFK forums - and many probably still are - it doesn't take very long to separate wheat from shaft

You'd have to read the MATH RULES thread to understand the significance of these changes... the frame from which the limo emerges from the turn onto Elm and Position A are related... are you aware how? Are you also aware that SHANEYFELT moved the path of the limo south for each one of the dots with frame #'s on the plat? In essence, Shaneyfelt's move has 166 become 171 ala CE884.. .9 feet in 3 frames becomes .9ft in 5 frames - less than 3mph... do you see the limo moving at les than 3mph at 161 thru 166? The only thing for sure... if you remove that turn, you can start the frame counter at any number you'd (Shaneyfelt) like. Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to ascertain the speed of the Presidential limousine at the time of the assassination? Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; because we were able to determine the speed of the camera, and thereby accurately determine the length of time it takes for a specific number of frames to run through the camera at this 18.3 frames per second, and having located these frame positions in the street, we took the farthest distance point we had in the Zapruder film which was frame 161 through frame 313. Dave... isn't the "farthest distance" to frame 133? What happens between 132 and 161 ? the syncing of the Towner film (at over 22 fps instead of the usual 16-18 fps) to Zapruder

That's one thing none of these rebuttal artists wants to touch... let alone that according to WCR the sight was reassembled with the rest of the rifle... with a dime... and never test fired... there is literally no way anyone could know where shots would go if looking thru that sight.... then again, our man Brennen claims there was no scope... ??? an 11 degree RISE from back to front... if anyone wonders why FORD did what he did At z225 - any LNer want to take a crack at how, when shooting from 70 feet in the air DOWN to a target... the bullet rises... It is said Knudsen took the only REAL AUTOPSY PHOTOS and Mr. Purdy. What other things besides the body did you see, other than the rulers? Mr. Knudsen. What appeared to be stainless steel probes. Mr. Purdy. About how long were they? Mr. Knudsen. The probes? Mr. Purdy. Yes. Mr. Knudsen. I would estimate about two foot. Mr. Purdy. Was there one probe that you saw through the body, or were there more than one? Mr. Knudsen. More than one. === Mr. Purdy. The metal probe extended from the front of the neck to the back of the neck? Mr. Knudsen. Right. One was through the chest cavity. Mr. Purdy. Did it go all the way through? Mr. Knudsen. Yes. It seems to me that the entry point was a little bit lower in the back than -- well, the point in the back was a little bit lower than the point in the front. Put it that way. So the probe was going diagonally from top to bottom, front to back. Mr. Knudsen. Right about where the neck-tie is. That would be somewhere in that vicinity. Mr. Purdy. Approximately how much lower than that would you say the other probe, which went through the chest cavity? Mr. Knudsen. I would put it six, seven inches. Mr. Purdy. The probe that you said you could see coming out of the neck, the front of the neck, where was it out of the back of the neck? How high up would you say that one was. Mr. Knudsen. About the base of the neck. Also a good idea to read SAUNDRA KAY SPENCER's deposition from May 5, 1997 for yet another description of "the" photos.

I was under the impression no one was able to reproduce the shooting sequence... can you post that evidence Robert? Pulling the trigger 3 times is no big feat... getting Oswald into that window... now that may take a few more than 3 tries..

Great... the blind leading the deaf and dumb... you choose who is who...

FWIW - the rebuttal of a LNer... FC - ever hear of COINTELPRO TECHNIQUES FOR DISRUPTING FORUMS? Here are a few which apply perfectly... 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

FC... sorry.. not semantics at all... HUGE diff between Faked and Altered... Z did film the scene... so not Faked... yet what we see today is not all that was on the in camera original.... Faked.. forge or counterfeit Altered... change or cause to change in character or composition, typically in a comparatively small but significant way Try to remember the film is in 8 pieces

Faked? No. Altered and edited... yes. ...... Now you answer... the copy to Rowley in DC.... what happens to this copy after viewed in DC early morning Saturday? what role did Abe’s partner play in all this and what does he say... when do YOU think Hawkeyeworks has any film with which to work? finally, you aware what Mrs. Z tells us about Friday night? I look forward to real answers JC...

- How again is a film in 8 pieces - unaltered or unedited? "I'm sorry to disappoint you but so far, you, Mister Josephs, have not proved that the Zapruder film is faked. " edit - I never said it was faked... we are talking about editing or altering... focus please.

Let's see... I offer proof with a logical arguments ' ' ' and you offer opinions.. tautologies and ad hominem . Mr. G didn't get his copy before the 24th of Nov... so how again would he know what happened to the film before he gets to it?

Mr. C... You have no more a franchise on the authenticity of the Zapruder film than anyone else... the extant film has no less than 7 splices in it... you trying to prove THIS FILM was never edited ??? There is over 45 feet of film from one side of a 30 foot reel... (25' plus leader times an A and B side) If the film was not edited.. it would be a single, continuous 25 feet of film... So please.. you can stop insulting the collective intelligence of this body by claiming something which is provably false... With regards to the STOP/START at 132.... with no light bleed like frames 001 - 004 the segue from 132 to 133 is a SPLICE Mr. BELIN. The street leading to the expressway, that diagonal street? Mr. TRULY. That is right.And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn. Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here. Mr. BELIN. All right. And FC... when and if you can ever learn the significance of POSITION A and why it would be included in the reenactments... you might actually learn something... then again, you aint gonna learn what you dont wanna know....

I should add that above the names at the top of the diagram I posted (the sponsors) would be Bundy, Harriman, Rockefeller, McCoy... just sayin' == So Robert... is it Lemay who orders Galloway despite the Air Force v Navy problem? or do you think the order comes from the JCS... Lemay or Naval Chief Anderson David L McDonald who was made Chief in August 1963 David McDonald: ====== Not "doing the do" yet maybe a little dancing after a romantic dinner? https://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Mirrors-David-C-Martin/dp/0060130377/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JD254C3WSCGNFJCNQ5M0 This one deals only with Angleton and William Harvey.. very interesting book.

Interesting line of questioning Denny... yet the real crime occurs at Bethesda with what GALLOWAY , KENNEY & BURKLEY have Humes, Boswell and Finck sign off to... Hoover and the FBI had access to all the evidence... they could fashion any story they wanted... yet we know Hoover was covering for the CIA.... Hoover had never really been in the top echelon of control... he was just of tool of those up there...

or the fact this same bullet arrives at the FBI twice.. ??? Todd brings the Dallas bullet to Frasier at 7:30pm Q1 Todd sees Rowley who gives him a bullet to bring to Frasier at 8:50pm And if you look below, the FBI is waiting - during the autopsy - for yet ...the other [bullet] is lodged behind JFK's ear... If the Secret Service has "one of the bullets that struck JFK" at 9:17pm in DC AND Q1 is received at 7:30pm from Todd AND Chief Rowley gives Todd a bullet at 8:50pm which is identified by Todd as the one gotten from Rowley (in essence Rowley handing this bullet to Todd remains the ONLY ACTUAL identified chain of evidence for any bullet. How many CE399's does it take to screw in a light bulb?

thanks Jim... It was a real pleasure meeting all the authors and researchers I've admired these past 20 years.. Meeting and speaking with Peter Dale Scott an extra special treat I was not expecting.. Thanks again for the invite and kind words... DJ

Sorry Dave, that’s not how 6.5 mm bullets work... They win, body tissue moves and is charred due to the speed... a sound wave and force wave is created.... tissue gets messed up buddy. you make it sound like a neutrino....

O'Connor gives us this info from his time at the Autopsy He says they removed a bullet from the intercostal muscles.... Kinda interesting too that they don't talk about yet another bullet which is being discussed during the autopsy

The ARRB is your friend Ron... They were able to get a lot of the HSCA testimony out and added to it... KNUDSEN is a very interesting story worth digging a bit deeper https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1019 ARRB Medical Exhibits 125.ARRB MD 129 - Gawler's Funeral Home "First Call Sheet" which records events of November 22-23,1963 126.ARRB MD 130 - Gawler's "Arrangements File" which records arrangements for President John F. Kennedy's Funeral 127.ARRB MD 131 - Coffin Card (Made Out by Texas Coffin Company) found inside Dallas Bronze Casket by Gawler's Personnel Subsequent to Funeral of President John F. Kennedy 128.ARRB MD 132 - Telephone Call Notice prepared by Gawler's Funeral Home secretary for Joe Hagan on 4-16-64 (which relays Mr. Dave Powers' "O.K." to speak with William Manchester); also attached is a h 129.ARRB MD 133 - Washington Post newspaper article dated February 27, 1965 titled:"Dallas Mortician for JFK Paid $3,495.00"--article is about payment for Dallas Bronze Casket 130.ARRB MD 134 - Gawler's after-action report titled: "Funeral Arrangements for John Fitzgerald Kennedy"--events of November 22,23,24, and 25 are recounted. 131.ARRB MD 135 - Transcript of August 11, 1978 HSCA Deposition of Robert L. Knudsen

thanks Roy... I have to tip my math hat to Chris.. his vision here is quite clear... In any 4 frame run, 50% = 2 50% again = 1 frame left But they needn't be in a row.. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 x 1 x x x x x x 2 x x 3 Making 12 frames into 3 for example could look like this where the head's movement in frames 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8 are removed leaving frame#2 (Z313) #9 (Z314) & frame #12 (Z315) as an example only.... I suggest reading Shaneyfelt's testimony repeatedly... His little charade made it virtually impossible to reconcile the data to the reality. What the frame numbers WERE really has no meaning anymore... Z313 is where it is cause that's where they put it.... ultimately... initially it was shot #2

Mr. B here appears to be searching for the elusive "alternate truth" popularized by the most corrupt administration in history... and he does appear to raise Ad hom attacks to a new level I post this for Denny.... the probe proved the wounds were not connected... that and there not being any channel thru the upper torso left by a .25" bullet A number of people remember a metal probe being used... others don't. O'Connor doesn't, stating HUMES' finger was the extent of it... James Jenkins ARRB exhibit MD65... HSCA interview 1977 Jenkins recalled that the doctors extensively attempted to probe the back wound. He said the probe they used was a metal one, approximately eight inches long. He said that, "most of the probe went in... between the skin..." and not into the chest cavity. He said Humes could probe the bottom of the wound with his little finger and said that the metal probe went in 2 - 4 inches. He said it was quite a "...fact of controversy..." that the doctors "... couldn't prove the bullet came into the cavity." We also have MD135 Mr. KNUDSEN The primary points that we are going to cover are the number and locations of wounds and the other details in the photographs that you described generally, such as the presence of metal probes in the photographs and the presence of rules in the photographs, and what have you. Are you confident now that you saw metal probes in the photographs? Mr. Knudsen. Yes. Mr. Purdy. Are you confident that the metal probes were actually through the wounds when you saw them? Mr. Knudsen. Yes I am certain of that, because it showed the point of entry and exit with the probe. --- Mr. Purdy. Have you seen photographs of any other dead bodies that may have probes in them? Mr. Knudsen. Yes, I have. I am certain on the Kennedy there were the probes showing the point of entry and exit. Mr. Purdy. How many probes were there that you saw in a given picture? What is the most probes that you saw in a given picture at one time? Mr. Knudsen. I know there were two. Mr. Purdy. Two metal probes that were through wounds when you saw them? Mr. Knudsen. Yes

please excuse the repetitiveness... The Evidence IS the Conspiracy..... This is it in a nutshell.... Shaneyfelt moved the path of the limo, thereby moving JFK. Although part 2 is that what we see as FRAME 133, the start of the limo on Elm. If we're right, a 48fps film was cut by 50% and then 50% again to arrive at an 18.3 frames per second which equates exactly to the run and rise of Elm... For every 18.3 feet, Elm drops 1 foot. At the speed offered they kept things simple by making the speed equate to 1 foot per frame as an average between 161 and 313 Shaneyfelt gives it away here... frame 133 is the furthest point they had on the Zapruder film, not 161. we took the farthest distance point we had in the Zapruder film which was frame 161 through frame 313. This was found to run elapsed time from the film standpoint which runs at 18.3 frames a second, runs for a total of 8.3 seconds. This distance is 136.1 feet, and this can be calculated then to 11.2 miles per hour.

Ford was important - he showed us why it's called the Silly Bullet Theory If you don't move the hole up... as they described for Ryberg.... but then the bullet doesn't RISE any more... then again some people "Ain't Gonna Learn what they don't wanna know"

Makes ‘em think there’s more of us that way...