Thomas Graves

You're right, Ray. The guy in the blue jacket takes a half step to his left and leans towards Tan Jacket Man. Wes Riddle on the JFK Assassination Forum thinks Tan Jacket Man put something in Blue Coated Cuban-Looking Man's jacket pocket. These guys were professionals. The more I look at this clip, especially the un-cropped versions, the more I see an intricately-choreographed ballet being performed with by many "dancers". It's interesting to watch all of the people who go into motion when Long Coat Man gives Tan Jacket Man "the signal". Even the three guys walking from right to left in the foreground as they very nearly block Robert Hughes' camera's view of "the hand off". Etc, etc --Tommy

LOL Odd or old? jk of course--bump again. Both! Hey Greg, let's get together for a cup of something at the Pannikin (LJ) or Lestat's (Abnormal Heights) or Winston's (OB) or the Longboard Bar and Grill (PB) sometime... Hey, we can talk about the JFK assassination! --Odd Old Tommy O'Pepper Fine. "I'll have my girl give your girl a call and we can do lunch..." OK Greg, but I gotta warn you-- I'm gonna be really, really angry if I find out my girl's your girl. LOL --tommy

LOL Odd or old? jk of course--bump again. Both! Hey Greg, let's get together for a cup of something at the Pannikin (LJ) or Lestat's (Abnormal Heights) or Winston's (OB) or the Longboard Bar and Grill (PB) sometime... Hey, we can talk about the JFK assassination! --Odd Old Tommy O'Pepper

Greg I don't understand how anything new I post would ever be seen other than under one title .I dont see anyone else on the Forum posting under only one thread . No, I'm not suggesting that you should only post under one thread. I'm suggesting that you only post new information regarding THIS SUBJECT (Oltmans) under that existing thread. Maybe you didn't see this, but if you look at the top right hand side of the forum there is a link called: New Content Every time one adds a new thread OR adds a new post to an existing thread that entire thread and that new post are both automatically moved to the top of the "New Content" filter ahead of all other threads. It makes it very convenient to view all of the new posts since one's last visit. Your entire thread will remain on the first page until it scrolls off the bottom and ends up on page two, three, etc., unless someone else replies to your new post at which time that thread will move back to the top. But, even a week (or years) later if you or anyone posts to that thread it will be bumped to the first position on page one (of NEW CONTENT) again and again. I just made the suggestion because it will be easier to sort out the information if it is all in one place, especially as time goes by and the information grows in volume. As an example, even if you were to randomly pick any existing thread--say way back on the 20th page--and add a new "test post" to that thread and then went back to the top of the page and press the NEW CONTENT link, you'll see that entire thread and your new post will both automatically be "bumped" into the first position. This is true if the thread was originally started today, yesterday, last month, last year, or even 5 years ago. The more interest in a subject, the longer it will remain at the top of the first page because it will see the most activity. Whenever I log onto the forum, the first thing I do is press NEW CONTENT because the vast majority of posts are in the JFK Assassination Debate forum, which is where my interest mainly lies and I can then see all the new posts without scrolling down to that section and searching, etc. Hey, it was just a suggestion. I hope you find it helpful. Sorry to be so long winded especially if you already knew all this stuff. Thanks Greg, I agree, if Tommy will continue to post under one thread on the subject of Oltmans and Demohrenschildt, it will all stay together so we can refer to it in the future. There are now three or more threads on this subject and I forget what are in the others, but they are too far spread apart to bother to go looking for them. If Tommy would continue to post under one thread, we can easily go back and review whats there, and every time he or someone else responds to it, they will automatically go to the top of the forum. While some people just come here to argue, there are some real researchers here and they can best utilize the info if it can be easily accessible. BK JFKcountercoup Agreed, Bill. Hey and this gives it another "bump" to the top. Hey, Tommy--are you watching? FWIW, I agree with Greg and Bill... --The Odd Tommy

David, I agree with you that they got close enough to each other for a hand off. Did you go to the links I provided on a couple of earlier posts, this thread? If not, I highly recommend that you do so. I'm referring to Gerda Dunkel's, Wes Riddle's,and Sean Murphy's JFK Assassination Forum posts which include slowed-down footage, from the Robert Hughes film, of Tan Jacket Man in the parking lot. There is also some Mark Bell footage showing a guy who looks an awful lot like Tan Jacket Man walking quickly up the grassy knoll towards the parking lot possibly carrying something large in his left hand a couple of minutes after the assassination. If you're not a member of the JFK Assassination Forum, it's very easy to become one. (But I still think John Simkin's good old JFK Assassination Debate forum is the best. ) --Tommy (aka Tommy O'Pepper) edited and bumped

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P.S. I think that Roger Craig's description of the guy he saw get into the Rambler station wagon dovetails with what Euins (and let's not forget Howard Brennan's statement that the guy shooting from the sniper's nest was wearing a dingy-looking white shirt) said about the guy he saw in the sniper's nest. Tan Jacket Man's behavior in the parking lot, plus the fact that he strongly resembled LHO, leads me to believe that he was not only a conspirator, but was one of the men who shot at JFK. See Greda Dunkel's great posts on the JFK Assassination Forum, as well as this one by Sean Murphy: http://www.jfkassass...pic,3888.0.html --Tommy

[quote name=Thomas Graves' date='25 November 2011 - 09:13 PM' Never mind. I've just done it myself. --Tommy

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Christian, Don't be surprised if you start seeing some "men in gray suits" hanging around your flat and place of work. LOL(?)... --Tommy

Harry, Maybe she talks about it during this interview with Jim Fetzer. I haven't listened to all of it yet because I've got other things to do right now (and to be perfectly honest, I find Fetzer's voice to be very irritating). --Tommy http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-k%20holt%20harcourt.mp3

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Jim, I agree with you that his admitting that he didn't look at the picket fence is strange and, frankly, hard to believe. Regardless, I don't think TUM sat on the curb for up to three minutes, unless forty-five seconds or so is considered "up to three minutes". --Tommy

Jim, I agree with you that his admitting that he didn't look at the picket fence is strange and, frankly, hard to believe. Regardless, I don't think TUM sat on the curb for up to three minutes, unless forty-five seconds or so is considered "up to three minutes". --Tommy

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I'm too lazy to look it up myself, so I will ask this question-- Do we know, with any certainty, where else LHO was during the days immediately before and after his visit to the Atomic Energy Museum? --Thomas Thomas my enthusiasm knows no bounds old bean .Oswald was giving his speech to the jesuits at the behest of his cousin Eugene Murret this was in Alabama on the 27th July 1963 .also 9 May 1963 Oswald had found work at the Reily Coffee Company, located two blocks from Guy Banister’s offices. Its owner, William B. Reily, was a right-wing reactionary. Reily provided financial support to such groups as Arcacha’s Crusade to Free Cuba and Ed Butler’s propaganda outfit, INCA. Oswald’s employment at Reily’s lasted until 19 July 1963. June 1963 USS Wasp leafletting Oswald leafletted the crew of the USS Wasp, an aircraft carrier then in port, and seemed to invite arrest, June 1963. 19 July 1963 Oswald let go from Reily Coffee Company, supposedly for spending too much work time next door at Adrian Alba’s garage. 1. Crescent City Garage Home to the local government agencies’ motor pools. One day Alba recalled observing an FBI agent handing a white envelope to Oswald, who was standing in front of Reily’s. Alba watched as Oswald clutched the envelope close to his chest and walked back into Reily’s. Ian Ack, http://www.eurekaencyclopedia.com/index.php/Category:New_Orleans_Return And A bit more here if you wish I can read it to you http://www.slideshare.net/AJWeberman/nodule-x19-new-orleans-july-1963-to-september-1963 bump for Thomas Graves Thanks Ian! Great stuff. --Tommy

I'd say he was Hmong and probably served under Vang Pao in the SGU. http://hmongtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=190&ArticleID=3072 http://www.ljmilitaria.com/foreignmilitary/cambodian_thailand_laotian_items_for_sale.htm Like I said, four high-level heroin smugglers. --Tommy 5 counting the photographer, Thomas Clines, Ted Shackley's #2. (emphasis added by T. Graves) Cliff, Point taken! --Tommy

I'd say he was Hmong and probably served under Vang Pao in the SGU. http://hmongtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=190&ArticleID=3072 http://www.ljmilitaria.com/foreignmilitary/cambodian_thailand_laotian_items_for_sale.htm Like I said, four high-level heroin smugglers. --Tommy