Thomas Graves

Lee, I have a three page document that may be the one you referenced. It has the curious mention of getting Ascham (Allen Dulles) to prevail on the Commission to alter photographs so not to be identifiable with Ruby. The document originated from Mexico City. For some reason I am unable to attach images at the moment so I will sent it privately. James ____________________________________________ Hi James, Verrry in-ter-ress-tink... Were you ever able to post the "images" to the forum? If not, could you please do so now? Thanks, --Thomas ____________________________________________

_______________________________________________ What the hell does Sturgis's "looking" like an "Italian mafia hitman" have to do with it? Do you think that everyone who is of Italian ancestry is a Mafia hitman or a member of the Mafia? Doh. P.S. Speaking of "looks like," where is your photo? _______________________________________________

_________________________________________ Exactly. Good post, Mike. (Emphasis added by me.) --Thomas _________________________________________

___________________________________________ Bill, Thanks. --Thomas ___________________________________________ bump

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I think one should not just visit Dealey Plaza, but take the photographic record with them and spend as much time as possible studying the geography and the angles involved. I have stayed as long as nine days at a time while putting in 5 to 8 hours a day. While I have not counted my hours spent testing the assassination images, I am certain that it is higher than several hundred hours all toll. I am not impressed with your alleged study of my post. I have said that there was a conspiracy in my view more than any one else on these forums. This ranges from my belief that Badge Man is real - to Gordon Arnold being correct - to believing Ed Hoffman and what he witnessed - to Connally being wounded through the chest at a time that his right wrist was too high in the air to account for one bullet causing all of his wounds. I believe that a shot was fired from the location of the Hat Man location and have argued in support of that position more times than I can count. I believe the autopsy photos do not depict the truth about what the Dallas doctors described pertaining to the avulsion to the back of the President's head. [...] Respectably, Bill Miller ___________________________________________ Bill, In my humble opinion this is your best post so far. It does get confusing trying to follow yours and Duncan's and "Smile's" arguments against each other (i.e. you versus them and vice versa) on any given thread, and it is rather time consuming and a bit frustrating as well. After reading your post, I now know what you believe in and can go back and read those earlier "Bill-Duncan-Smiles" threads and they will make more sense to me. My only suggestion is that you try to be a little bit less defensive-- you don't have to call anyone a fool or foolish or say that somebody writes garbage, etc. No need to bring yourself down to your opponents' levels-- you only demean yourself by doing so. (Most of us can detect overt silliness and/or malodorous refuse, etc, by ourselves....) FWIW. Thanks, --Thomas ___________________________________________

_____________________________________ Chris, Neither could I.... --Thomas _____________________________________

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T. It is news to me after all this time that you were on 'hand' at the Pentagon...but whatever. Jack White worked long and hard on your past and got Wilson involved, along with Wecht and myself. Let's not cast stones, as none of us are free of 'sin'. If ya want to know about 'crazy' meet my friend Wavy Gravy http://www.wavygravy.net/ [or for insanity of a totally different kind - any 'W' site.....hang in there T....] ____________________________________________ Peter, Where exactly in Tosh's post does he say the he was on "hand" or "on hand" (or whatever you meant to say Peter) at the Pentagon on 9/11? Great post, Tosh. --Thomas ____________________________________________ bump As I recall, it was Tosh's wife who works at the Pentagon and was there during the event. Tosh was there shortly afterward (date and time unspecified). Jack ________________________ Exactly. --Thomas ________________________

T. It is news to me after all this time that you were on 'hand' at the Pentagon...but whatever. Jack White worked long and hard on your past and got Wilson involved, along with Wecht and myself. Let's not cast stones, as none of us are free of 'sin'. If ya want to know about 'crazy' meet my friend Wavy Gravy http://www.wavygravy.net/ [or for insanity of a totally different kind - any 'W' site.....hang in there T....] ____________________________________________ Peter, Where exactly in Tosh's post does he say the he was on "hand" or "on hand" (or whatever you meant to say Peter) at the Pentagon on 9/11? Great post, Tosh. --Thomas ____________________________________________ bump

T. It is news to me after all this time that you were on 'hand' at the Pentagon...but whatever. Jack White worked long and hard on your past and got Wilson involved, along with Wecht and myself. Let's not cast stones, as none of us are free of 'sin'. If ya want to know about 'crazy' meet my friend Wavy Gravy http://www.wavygravy.net/ [or for insanity of a totally different kind - any 'W' site.....hang in there T....] ____________________________________________ Peter, Where exactly in Tosh's post does he say the he was on "hand" or "on hand" (or whatever you meant to say Peter) at the Pentagon on 9/11? Great post, Tosh. --Thomas ____________________________________________

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________________________________ Tim, Maybe the assassination really did happen on November the 23rd, and then everything was just, well, altered.... --Thomas ________________________________

__________________________ Lee, (or anyone)-- What's "odd" about seeing, next to each other, two pictures of the tall tramp? (Harrelson, IMHO, BTW, FWIW.) Thanks, --Thomas __________________________

_______________________________ I'll say. If it wasn't for hair color (which he could have altered), he'd fit Azcue's and Duran's description of the M.C. "Oswald" to a "T"-- thin face, blue eyes, short, and let's face it, he was "over 30 years of age" (41). And for good measure he was CIA, connected with Bannister and Ferrie, and bore a resemblance to LHO... I don't think Rogers was the short tramp, but I do think he was the Mexico City "Oswald." --Thomas _______________________________ bump _____________________________ again __________________________

_______________________________ I'll say. If it wasn't for hair color which he easily could have changed, he'd fit Azcue's and Duran's description of the M.C. "Oswald" to a "T"-- thin face, blue eyes, short, and let's face it, he was "over 30 years of age" (41). And for good measure he was CIA, connected with Bannister and Ferrie, and bore a resemblance to LHO. I don't think Rogers was the short tramp, but I do think he was the Mexico City "Oswald." --Thomas _______________________________ bump _____________________________

_______________________________ I'll say. If it wasn't for hair color, he'd fit Cuban Consul Azcue's and Sylvia Duran's description of the M.C. "Oswald" to a "T"-- very thin face, blue eyes, very short, and over 30. And for good measure, CIA and connected with Bannister and Ferrie. --Thomas _______________________________

__________________________________ Does anyone know how tall Rogers was? I remember reading somewhere that he was quite short. --Thomas __________________________________

________________________________ FWIW, my money's on Charles Rogers (aka Richard Montoya), whether or not he was the short "tramp." http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrogersC.htm --Thomas ________________________________

_______________________ Thanks Greg, It's interesting that Mirabal Diaz didn't become Consul until nine days after LHO's letter to the Sov. Embassy in DC. Either LHO was very observant while at the Cuban Embassy or Mr Azcue said to him, "Mr Oswald, I'd like you to meet Mr. Alfredo Mirabal Diaz. He's a Consul-in-training and will be replacing me in a couple of months." --Thomas _______________________ Thomas, I did not word it very well. He actually became the Consul on Sep 2. Azcue stayed on to train him, leaving him to his own devices on Nov 18. Azcue handled Oswald (or "Oswald") only because Mirabal did not speak English. I think it's likely this was explained to Oswald. But speaking of Mirabal, what do you make of this? http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do ____________________________________________ Greg, Thanks for the clarification. (BTW, I tried that link but all I got was an error message...) --Thomas ____________________________________________ Sorry... try this http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=3 _______________________________________ Greg, Beats the you-know-what out of me. What do you make of it? --Thomas _______________________________________

_______________________ Thanks Greg, It's interesting that Mirabal Diaz didn't become Consul until nine days after LHO's letter to the Sov. Embassy in DC. Either LHO was very observant while at the Cuban Embassy or Mr Azcue said to him, "Mr Oswald, I'd like you to meet Mr. Alfredo Mirabal Diaz. He's a Consul-in-training and will be replacing me in a couple of months." --Thomas _______________________ Thomas, I did not word it very well. He actually became the Consul on Sep 2. Azcue stayed on to train him, leaving him to his own devices on Nov 18. Azcue handled Oswald (or "Oswald") only because Mirabal did not speak English. I think it's likely this was explained to Oswald. But speaking of Mirabal, what do you make of this? http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do ____________________________________________ Greg, Thanks for the clarification. (BTW, I tried that link but all I got was an error message...) --Thomas ____________________________________________

Eusebio Azcue Lopez, the former Cuban Consul in M.C., testified to the HSCA in 1978 that the "Oswald" who visited the M.C. Cuban Consulate/Embassy three times in late September and early October of 1963 did not resemble the man killed in Dallas by Jack Ruby. He said the man who visited the consulate was over thirty years of age and had a very thin face. He also says that he had "dark blond hair" and that he had "...very straight eyebrows, cold, hard, and straight eyes. His cheeks were thin. His nose was very straight and pointed." According to Spartacus Educational, Sylvia Duran told Anthony Summers that she had testified to the HSCA that this "Oswald" was quite short-- in fact about as short as she was (5' 3.5"); she also told Summers that this "Oswald" didn't look like the Oswald arrested in Dallas after the assassination. Also according to Spartacus, Duran told the Mexican authorities who arrested her after the assassination that the "Oswald" who had visited the Embassy was blond-haired and had blue or green eyes...

_______________________ Thanks Greg, It's interesting that Mirabal Diaz didn't become Consul until after LHO's letter to the Sov. Embassy in DC. Either O. was very observant while at the Cuban Embassy or Mr Azcue said to him, "I'd like you to meet Mr. Alfredo Mirabal Diaz. He's a Consul-in-training and will be replacing me in a couple of months." --Thomas _______________________

In the typewritten "I could not take a chance on reqesting (sic) a new visa unless I used my real name" letter to the Washington D.C. Soviet Embassy on 11/09/63, LHO says, "... the Cuban consulate (sic) was guilty of a gross breach of regulations, I am glad he has since been replaced." ... A few questions: 1) Do we know the name of the Cuban consul Oswald had to deal with? 2) Was he replaced after LHO's visit(s)? 3) If so, how would LHO have known by 11/09/63 that the consul had indeed been replaced? Thanks, --Thomas _________________________________________________________