Karl Kinaski

Obviously the exact 6 to 10 seconds of the actual shooting are missing ... you see the presidental limo turn onto Elm ... CUT ... then we see the limo speeding up in front of the triple underpass ...

Never knew that Jim Hagerty was the first conspiracy theorist voicing his opinion on air on November 22. 1963 14h 20 Dallas time. Sitting in an ABC studio in New York, Eisenhowers former press secretary says: "That has to be a conspiracy." The german Mauser is also mentioned. Watch this clip. Starting point: 1h44min 23seconds

Beware of those CT to LN converts!: Dale Myers Gary Mack And Edward J. Epstein who started his career as an outspoken WC-critic and ended up as James Jesus Angleton fanboy. (It is like going from the round earth back to the flath earth.)

@ Ray Mitcham ... thx for the clarification ...to me that makes Samoluks actions look even more suspicious ... it escapes me why the ARRB wasn't sending him down to Dallas a second time to do his job which was to wind up the camera, climb "Zapruders pesdestal and film ... not a very complicated task ...

@David Lifton So you say Samoluk was not playing the fool by pretending he can't tell a cam with batteries from a cam you have to wind up with a wind up key but a genuine fool? I don't believe it. In the first place: Whoever gave Samulok the Zapruder Type cam why did he not told Samoluk: "That is a type of cam you have to wind up" and why didn't they provide Samoluk with the wind up key to wind up that cam? The reason why we don't have a Zapruder-reference-film shot by a Zapruder-type -cam to compare it's features with the features of the Zappi-film is ARRB's Samoluk playing the fool.

More about the ordnance optics japanese scope that Weitzmann did not see ... At (1h7min26 sec) of this video researcher Mark Groubert (in short) said: start of summary -- The WC claimed, the (ordnance) scope came in the Kleins-package with the Carcano -- In order to find out where Klein's got it they found out from " firm" in Hollywood "that doesn't exist" ... they find a guy who has an optician store who said "Yes I improt them and I sell them to Klein sporting goods and he (Oswald) probably got it(the scope) with the package with the rifle (...) in the process to find out where the scope came from in Hoillywood, the WC was contacted by an LA lieutnent from the robbery division who said "I know where it came from" leading the commission to that guy with the optician store. His name was Manuel Pena. This was in 1963/64. end of summary Now who is Manuel Pena? A man who in June 1968 was promoted to one of the chief investigators in the RFK murder case. quote: from this site Lieutenant Manuel Pena, who was in control of all “day watch officers” in the Special Unit Senator investigation, and responsible for signing off on every witness interview transcript (many without the name of the interviewing officer), had been in military intelligence in Korea. In November 1967, Pena resigned from the LAPD to work for the Agency for International Development (AID). Charles A. O’Brien, California’s Chief Deputy Attorney General, told author William Turner that AID was being used as an “ultra-secret CIA unit” that was known to insiders as the “Department of Dirty Tricks” and that it was involved in teaching foreign intelligence agents the techniques of assassination. FBI agent Roger LaJeunesse claimed that Pena had been carrying out CIA special assignments for at least ten years. This was confirmed by Pena’s brother, a high school teacher, who told television journalist, Stan Bohrman, that he was proud of his brother’s CIA activities. In April 1968 Pena surprisingly resigned from AID and returned to the LAPD. Chief of Detectives Robert Houghton asked Chief of Homicide Detectives Hugh Brown to take charge of the investigation into the death of Robert Kennedy, code-named Special Unit Senator (SUS) but he specifically designated Lt. Manny Pena to control the daily flow and direction of the investigation. close quote Here we have a (CIA) guy involved in the cover up of the JFKA and RFKA. MANUEL PENA 2007 Education forum thread about Manuel Pena

So we not only have bogus-evidence everywhere (CE 399 stands not allone) but broken chains of custody of that bogus-evidence ... which is a truism. In order to implement bogus-evidfence you have to break the chain of evidence.

This guy Mark Groubert (never heard of him before) has a lot of info about Frazier, new to me ...

Not only saw he a Mauser and not a Carcano, he saw a Weaver scope on that Mauser and not a ordnance optics japanese scope on a Carcano. japanese scope on a Carcano.

Since CE 399 is just another prop in the rather boring OSSI DID IT play, I don't care who's initials are on it. Or any iniials at all. I am more interested in disapearing initials, for exampel: Judyth Vary Bakers initials on Oswalds Reily Coffee Companie timecards which are visible on the Ossi-timcards uploaded by the National Archives and dissapeard in the timecard versions uploaded by the Mary Ferell Foundation.

A serious attempt to shot a film with Zappis cam from that pedestal to compare it's features with the odd features of the Zappi-assassination film was made by the ARRB 1997 --and sabotaged by certain members of the ARRB. Quote, David Lifton PIG ON LEASH 2003 (Douglas Horne Requests Test with Original Camera Doug Horne knew what needed to be done: that film should be run through the Zapruder camera, in a test conducted at Dealey Plaza, preferably when the lighting was the same, and such test film be compared with the Zapruder film. It didn’t take a photo expert to understand why this should be done: a match between the test film and the Zapruder film would be powerful evidence that the Zapruder film was a genuine original; contrariwise, any mismatch might be probabtive, even definitive, on the issue of whether the film in evidence was not taken by the Zapruder camera. Neither David Marwell nor Jeremy Gunn wanted to do any such tests. (WTF) Marwell looked with complete disdain at the notion that the Zapruder film might be a forgery. He said he had experience in college, either on the newspaper or in a photography club, with contact printing, and he just didn’t see how the film could be inauthentic. He kept bringing up the small size of an 8 mm film, saying: “You’d need engraving tools.” As Doug observed later, he simply failed to inform himself about optical editing technology. Gunn was a different matter. When Marwell left the ARRB, and the problem was passed to Gunn, the problem was political. Gunn did not have good relations with the five Board members, who—Doug tells me—thought of him as a closet assassination buff (and he was, in some ways). The Board members were essentially conservative, and Gunn knew they would never approve doing a test in Dealy Plaza; that their fear would be a New York Times headline, “ARRB Suspects Zapruder Film Forgery”. Doug thought their fears were completely exaggerated. It was well within the rights of the ARRB to investigate the provenance of any assassination record, and “record” could be more important that the visual record of the Zapruder film? When Marwell departed as Exec Director to take outside employment. Gunn became Exec Director as well as General Counsel. This was the autumn of 1997. One day, Doug locked horns with Gunn on this issue. “I insisted on a film test in Zapruder’s actual camera in Dealey Plaza on November 22 at 12:30 PM,” recalls Doug. Gunn was cold, austere, distant, even hostile. “What are your reasons for wanting to do this test?” he said. “Film authenticity,” replied Doug. “And I said that the best way to test inauthenticity would be to see if the intersprocket sprocket image looked the same or not as the intersprocket image on the film at the Archives. That’s exactly what I said.” “He then completely astounded me by saying ‘Can you give me a reason to conduct this test that has nothing to do with authenticitiy?’” “I was floored by his question,” recalls Doug, “And I said, I literally exploded: ‘I can’t believe you’re asking me that question. That’s ridiculous. The only reason to do this testis authenticity.’ Gunn said : “Let’s call Rollie and put it to a vote.” And so, right on the spot, he called Rollie Zavada: How did he feel about conducting such a test—using Abe’s camera, upon the white pedestal, on November 22, at 12:30 PM? “I’ve already shot test film in Zapruder type cameras,” replied Rollie, “and the only thing that Doug is proposing that’s any different is to do it on November 22, at 12:30 P.M. Then Rollie delivered the coup de grace: “I see no reason to do this test with Abe’s original camera; it would be good enough to use any camera of the same make and model.” “And at that point, I knew I’d lost,” recalls Doug. “I was devastated. Really, I was.” Gunn immediately. proposed a compromise. “We’ve got Tom Samoluk going to Dallas on other business around November 22 [1997]. Can you send us a Zapruder type camera filled with film, and we’ll conduct the test that Doug wants, which is to shoot it on 11/22 at 12:30 PM?” “And Rollie said, ‘Sure, I’ll do that.’ “They thought they were doing a good thing,” says Doug. “I was extremely disappointed, because: (1) A film pro wouldn’t be conducting the test; (2) it wouldn’t be Abe’s camera.” Doug says that he knew that if Zapruder’s actual camera wasn’t used, then whatever anomalies were discovered would be attributed to a camera-to-camera variation. “Those were all the things running through my mind, so I was very disappointed,” recalls Doug. But it wasn’t over—yet. Samoluk Goes to Dallas But let‘s return to Samoluk in November, 1997. It was November, 1997 when Samoluk went to Dallas, tasked with the job of taking pictures from Zapruder’s perch on November 22, something he really didn’t want to do, because Dealey Plaza can be a zoo on assassination anniversaries. Meanwhile, Rollie had sent a camera via Federal Express; it was loaded with film, and with directions, in a box to the ARRB in Washington; and now, in Dallas, Samoluk retired to his hotel room, and opened the box. He pulled out the camera, pressed the trigger, to make sure it would run, and nothing happened. He tried again. Nothing. Experimenting a bit in the hotel room, Samoluk became convinced that the camera was jammed, and gave up on the project. Upon returning to Washington, Doug ran over to him when he appeared at the ARRB offices, and asked excitedly (“like a puppy dog,” recalls Doug): “Did you conduct the test?” “With a sheepish look on his face,” recalls Doug, “he replied, ‘No, I didn’t, the friggin’ camera jammed.’” “What do you mean it jammed?” said Doug. “Well, either it jammed or the batteries were no good!”, replied Samoluk. “What do you mean, batteries?” said Doug, growing increasingly upset. “This camera doesn’t have batteries, you wind it with a big gigantic key that is on the side of the camera.” “And his jaw dropped open, his eyes got big, he got this ‘oh dooky’ look on his face.” Doug called Rollie and confirmed that there were no batteries, and that Rollie had not wound the camera before he sent it to the Review Board. Rollie had sent a long list of operating instructions; but nowhere did it say ”Wind the camera.” “This was keystone cops, man, USG style,” says Doug, reflecting on the experience. Close quote

Helms at 31min46sec raising his voice: "I assured Mr Gray that the CIA had nothing do involement with the break in. (Watergate.) No involvement whatever. And it was my preoccupation consistently from then to this tiume to make this point and to be sure that everybody understand ... it dosen't seem to get across very well for some reason that THE AGENCY HAD NATHING TO DO WITH THE WATERGATE BREAKIN! --- I hope all the newspapermen in the room hear me clearly now." And seconds after that statement the old fox is twinkling to somebody in the audience. 32min17/18sec ... indicating that the contrary was the case ... lol ... Nixon tried to threaten the CIA with his knowledge about the "dirty tricks departement" instead the CIA forced him to resign by a breakin designed to fail ... it was the second succsessfull coupe d' etat within 10 years ...

@Pat Speer McHugh didn't conspire against his boss he simply lied about the grey navy ambulance at Bethesda which never got from the Bethesda Tower to the Bethesda morgue in walking pace escorted by some walking honor-guard. (McHugh's words) His fairy-tale starts at 0min20sec. The ambulance suddenly started from the Tower with high speed into the dark turning out it's lights maybe to dislodge the truck with the honor-guard men under Lt. Bird. (acc.to Hubert Clark member of that honor-guard on that truck and eyewitness. ) Hubert Clark interview. Story of ambulance chase starts at 23min

@Joseph McBride. Thx for the clip. I knew the clip but was not aware that it is the same McHugh. That illustrates that JFK and McHughes weren't in love which each other. Apropos love, I digged up another - rather juicy - aspect of the Kennedy-McHugh relationship. Quote, L. Fletcher Prouty, letter to Jim Garrison (6th March, 1990): Lansdale and his Time-Life and other media friends, with Valenti in Hollywood, have been doing that cover-up since Nov 1963. Even the deMorenschildt story enhances all of this. In deM's personal telephone/address notebook he had the name of an Air Force Colonel friend of mine, Howard Burrus. Burrus was always deep in intelligence. He had been in one of the most sensitive Attache spots in Europe...Switzerland. He was a close friend of another Air Force Colonel and Attache, Godfrey McHugh, who used to date Jackie Bouvier. DeM had Burrus listed under a DC telephone number and on that same telephone number he had "L.B.Johnson, Congressman." Quite a connection. Why...from the Fifties yet.? Godfrey McHugh was the Air Force Attache in Paris. Another most important job. I knew him well, and I transferred his former Ass't Attache to my office in the Pentagon. This gave me access to a lot of information I wanted in the Fifties. This is how I learned that McHugh's long-time special "date" was the fair Jacqueline...yes, the same Jackie Bouvier. Sen. Kennedy met Jackie in Paris when he was on a trip. At that time JFK was dating a beautiful SAS Airline Stewardess who was the date of that Ass't Attache who came to my office. JFK dumped her and stole Jackie away from McHugh. Leaves McHugh happy???? At the JFK Inaugural Ball who should be there but the SAS stewardess, Jackie--of course, and Col Godfrey McHugh. JFK made McHugh a General and made him his "Military Advisor" in the White House where he was near Jackie while JFK was doing all that official travelling connected with his office AND other special interests. Who recommended McHugh for the job? (...) close quote source

wanted the world to believe that the grey navy ambulance with Kennedys casket went from the Bethesda tower to the Bethesda morgue in WALKING PACE accompanied by some captains and honor guard walking besides the ambulance ... His fairy-tale starts at 0min20sec. Godfrey McHugh 1911-1997

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Regarding Galloways role in the JFK double-autopsy I found this interesting pdf. (More questions than answers.)

IMO the best Hugh Clark interview was conducted by Brent Holland. The part Andrews AFB /Bethesda starts at about 11min. PS This interview is even more detailed and accurate than Hugh Clarks book "Betrayal." Hugh Clark interviewed by Brent Holland KK

Quote WC testimony of Mrs Donald Baker Mr. Liebeler. As you went down Elm Street that you saw this thing hit the street--what did it look like when you saw it? Mrs. Baker. Well, as I said, I thought it was a ftrecracker. It looked just like you could see the sparks from it and I just thought it was a firecracker and I was thinking that there was somebody was fixing to get in a lot of trouble and we thought the kids or whoever threw it were down below or standing near the underpass or back up here by the sign. c.quote Link to a 2012 thread FIRECRACKER

To get an authetic picture what kind of deep state stiff Ruth Paine was (and is), listen to this: 1963 SS Interview of Marguerite Oswald. Part 3. Regarding Oswald Ruth Paine was lying and throwing around disinfo from the start ... several hours after LHO was arrested (friday night 22.11.1963) she told two strange acting men from LIFE magazine in her apartement Oswald get home from Russia by using his savings. Marguerite Oswald was there and interrupted: That's not true, Mrs Paine. 6min 05 sec. The LIFE men were acting in a strange way because they were only interested in Ruth Pains statements about LHO and ignored his mother who was sitting there and witnessing Ruth Paines false statements about her son completely. But Marguerite was fighting back interrupting the Paine-LIFE men Q&A game. At one point Marguerite said: ... I do not like this. I ve gone hrough publicity before, when Lee supposedly(sic) defected ... Ruth Paine was (and is) a geyser of disinfo. And Marguerite Oswald recognized it at night on November 22. 1963 ...

Oswald was not fluent in Russian when he arrived in Moscow and Minsk and he did not hid his Russian from anybody. Oswald was not fluent in Russian that's why two men where assigned to improve his Russian skills (Shushkevic and Sasha Rubenchik) and Oswald was not hiding that he could speak Russian a little bit ... Quote Titovets: (OSWALDS RUSSIAN EPISODE) Your own quote Regarding his skills in the Russian language Oswald was not "acting" in any way. Stop claiming that Oswald was fluent in Russian and Marina was fluent in English and Ella german was fluent in English but they were all HIDING it, just for the purpose of bolstering the stupid premise of Armstrongs book HARVEY AND LEE. Listen to Marina Oswalds Pressconference in February of 1964 ... is this fluent English, as you claim, or is she still hiding that she is fluent in English? Throwing around claims and citing documents with fatal errors and attributing false pseudonyms (Casassin is Richardson not Helms, as you claim) seems all Armstrong and you are capable of, whenever the dorky premise of Armstrongs pseudo-CTer book HARVEY AND LEE is in danger.

@Jim Hargrove. The impression of Shushkevich you gave citing Peter Savodnik and his book THE INTERLOOPER is wrong. Shushkevich was no worker he was a nuclear scientist, working on secret military gadgets in the Minsk radio factory where Oswald worked. Shushkevich later became the first head of state of Belarus. He was only assigned to teach Oswald Russian always with another comrade with him. He was never allowed to met or teach Oswald allone. He never was instructed to sound out Oswald. On the contrary, he was instructed not to ask Oswald anything about his personal live. Here is the transcript of the interview Shushkevich gave to RADIO FREE EUROPE (RFE) in 2013: Stanislau Shushkevich: 'I Never Saw Oswald Get Excited About Anything' November 19, 2013 08:42 GMT Belarus's first post-Soviet leader, Stanislau Shushkevich, taught Lee Harvey Oswald Russian during the latter's residency in Minsk. In 1960s Minsk, Stanislau Shushkevich worked on product design at the same radio factory as Lee Harvey Oswald and taught him Russian. Shushkevich -- who went on to become the first post-Soviet leader of Belarus -- spoke with RFE/RL correspondent Pavel Butorin. RFE/RL: How did you meet Lee Harvey Oswald? What was your first impression of him? Stanislau Shushkevich: You know, contact with foreigners was forbidden back when I was doing scientific research. But I was very curious. And the party organization [at the Minsk radio factory] tasked me, a non- Party member, to work with an American. To be honest, I found it very interesting. So, it was with great pleasure that I agreed. Although, knowing our system, I made it seem like it wasn't the best thing for me to do and I wasn't quite prepared for that. But actually I was curious. There was one condition: I never met with him one on one. There was always someone else; it was Sasha Rubenchik, who had graduated from the university about four years later than me. He also worked at the radio factory. So it was the two of us who met [with Oswald] -- to keep an eye on each other, so to speak. [Oswald] made a very good impression on me. First of all, he was dressed in standard Soviet military rags -- a plush hat with flap ears, some camouflaged clothes -- but he wore those clothes splendidly. I had never seen anyone wear that brick-shaped hat more beautifully. He was handsome and he looked very good. His behavior was decent. He never allowed himself anything out of the ordinary. Generally, he never asked any questions. We weren't allowed to ask any questions either, about who he was or where he came from. Our task was to help him improve his Russian a little bit. RFE/RL: Did he speak much about his American life? Shushkevich: Absolutely not. Not a single word. I think he had received the same recommendations: we were not allowed to ask who he was, where he came from, how he had gotten here, why he was working here -- nothing. As a measure of control, Liabezin, the Party secretary in [Oswald's] workshop, inquired what subjects we covered in our lessons. I told him we were covering the usual subjects in accordance with the Soviet [English-language] curriculum: work, school, street, theater, cinema, city. Those were the subjects we tried to talk about. My colloquial English was basically nonexistent. I had been trained to do passive translations. I translated texts from English, and I still do. But I still don't speak English very well. WATCH an RFE/RL exclusive -- Those Who Knew Lee Harvey Oswald In Minsk Tell Their Stories: RFE/RL: Did you cover culture or music in your lessons? Shushkevich: No. Any discussion of culture was limited to how to buy a cinema or theater ticket, or to ask where theaters were located in Minsk. RFE/RL: How about any movie titles? Shushkevich: I don't remember. RFE/RL: Did you only teach him Russian or was it a mutual learning process? Shushkevich: You see, our studies were pretty basic. He tried to say something in Russian and we corrected his mistakes to make it sound like real Russian. RFE/RL: How about "My Family"? Was there such a topic? Shushkevich: No. No family. My house, yes. RFE/RL: Could he say in Russian, "I have so many sisters or brothers"? Shushkevich: Yes, he was able to say that. RFE/RL: And what would he say? Shushkevich: He didn't say anything about that. And we weren't supposed to ask. You see, you can't even imagine what it was like, following orders from the Party Committee. [Oswald] never talked about where he had lived or how he had found himself in Europe. That was completely forbidden to talk about. INTERACTIVE MAP: Lee Harvey Oswald's Travels RFE/RL: How about his military service? Shushkevich: Especially about that. We weren't supposed to know that he had served in the military. Sasha and I talked among ourselves, about him being a deserter and being so clever that he hadn't revealed it. RFE/RL: So, he seemed clever enough. Shushkevich: Well, you see, he never talked. He carried out his instructions; we carried out our instructions. I wouldn't believe it now either, if it hadn't happened to me personally. RFE/RL: From the limited contact that you had with Oswald, was it possible for you to make any conclusions about his temperament? Shushkevich: You know, it was possible. I got the impression that he was a very calm person. He produced the impression of a hard-working man. But he also seemed to have very strong habits that weren't suitable for studying Russian -- especially with the accents in Russian words. I would teach him to say, "Ya DOO-ma-yu" ("I think"), but he insisted on saying, "Doo-MAH-yu." We would be going over the tenses, and he kept saying, "Ya Doo-MAH-yu." You see, I simply could not get him to say, "DOO-ma-yu." Besides that, he never showed any other habits. He never showed any emotion. His punctuality was spotless. Our lesson was always at 18:05 at the laboratory of the radio factory and he was always there on the dot. RFE/RL: How would you describe his relationship with other workers? Shushkevich: Now, that was something completely di erent. Although I liked some things about him, his manner of work was a big risk to me. I always asked his mentor, the qualified worker who worked with him, whose name now escapes me, "Listen, don't let Oswald work on my designs." He simply did the wrong thing, quietly. I usually needed some fairly complex metalwork done while working on the mockup of a new device. And I asked [Oswald's mentor] not to give my orders to him. He had rather low qualifications as a worker. That is just my opinion. But I knew him only at the beginning [of his time at the radio factory]. Maybe he learned later. But for the time I knew him, he was a metalworker of low qualification. I don't know how they calculated his salary. RFE/RL: Oswald wrote in his Minsk diary that his job bored him very much. Shushkevich: I think everything bored him at the factory. I think we spoke about it already. I never saw him get excited about anything or show interest in anything. No, he was pretty calm. As Belarusians say, he was a "wet herring." In other words, he received all information with calm, without any emotions, as far as I remember. RFE/RL: Did he have any ambitions at the factory? Did he seek a promotion? Shushkevich: My impression was that his only ambition was to look better than others. Whatever he wore -- I can't even use the word "clothes," it was all just drab rags -- whatever he put on, it looked great on him. He was a good-looking man of particular cleanliness. His clothes were always freshly washed -- I don't remember if they were ironed -- but he was a particularly clean person. RFE/RL: Did he seem to be an intelligent person? Shushkevich: He was a rather closed person and it was hard to tell how educated he was. But his knowledge of Russian was pretty decent and he could exchange views when Sasha [Rubenchik] and I started teaching him, that's for sure. We never asked him about anything else, it was forbidden. RFE/RL: So he didn't speak about the Soviet Union? Shushkevich: Never. Not about the Soviet Union, or the city, or the metal shop, or about his metal-shop colleagues. I went to the experimental shop very often because we sent our blueprints there for production, but I never saw him having a friendly chat with workers or with his mentor who was giving him various tasks. RFE/RL: In an essay titled "The Collective," which he wrote later, Oswald provides a highly detailed account of every aspect of Soviet living and working conditions. It's as if he had been on a research mission here. Did he ever look like a researcher to you? Shushkevich: (Laughs) You know, if I had been asked to take him into my research team, I would have refused immediately, even though I would have been curious to work with an American. I didn't see any inclination of inquiry or creativity in him. Maybe I'm being unjust. But he showed absolutely no interest in the things that seemed important to me. RFE/RL: Did it seem to you that at some point he became disappointed in his life in the Soviet Union? Shushkevich: Over the course of our lessons, his attitude to his studies didn't change. He studied diligently. After that, I didn't have any contact with him. His day-to-day life, his marriage plans -- I had absolutely nothing to do with him at that point. RFE/RL: We have touched on this but let me ask you again. Was he not allowed to talk about his ideology, his world view? Or did he simply not want to? Did he ever discuss his reasons for coming to the Soviet Union? Shushkevich: Never. Not even a hint. You see, we were categorically forbidden to ask him about that. And he never talked about anything. You see, now as I am recalling that time, I don't understand why we acted like that -- like idiots, if you will excuse me. There was an outright ban. I had Sasha. And Sasha had me. We each received individual instructions on how to work with [Oswald] and we didn't violate our instructions, assuming that we might rat each other out. Although, I don't think Sasha would have ever ratted me out, nor would I ever betray him. He was a good colleague of mine, a young co- worker. But we stuck to those rules. You see, I had come [to the radio factory] from a high-security facility. And in the product- design department at the radio factory we were designing devices of dual use, including military, and we couldn't talk about what we were doing in the lab, so we didn't talk to him and he didn't talk to us. RFE/RL: But on a basic, day-to-day level, did he ever say he didn't like any particular food, for example? Shushkevich: Never. RFE/RL: Nothing at all? Shushkevich: Nothing at all. He never complained about food. He never made any remarks. You know, as I'm telling you about it right now, I don't quite understand why we acted like that. We had been brought up this way. RFE/RL: Did you shake hands when you greeted each other? Shushkevich: We shook hands, yes, quite normally. He would say, "Hi," in Russian. We would say, "Hi, come in. Take your jacket o ." When we studied formal and informal personal pronouns, "ty" and "vy" -- well, we were saying "ty" to each other. In other words, we were on informal terms. RFE/RL: Did he drink vodka with other workers? Shushkevich: I don't know. Come on, at the factory, you could drink vodka only on the sly. At the factory, everyone drank factory alcohol. But in the product-design department, you would be fired if you were caught drinking, because we were supposed to be an example to the working class. The working class drank on the sly. Manganese solution was added to the alcohol, to add color. The workers used paper filters with coal to make the alcohol transparent, and they showed it to us, too. RFE/RL: Did Oswald take part in such activities? Shushkevich: Oswald? I don't know. But I don't think he did. But I will tell you that at the same factory, when I was still in training, you couldn't refuse to drink alcohol. But that was in a di erent lab, it was a measuring-instruments lab -- your coworkers would say, "What's wrong with you? What kind of worker or what kind of engineer are you? Come on!" The first time I drank that purified alcohol was to show [I was a proper specialist], and I was taking a big risk. RFE/RL: Did he attend labor union meetings or any other meetings? Shushkevich: He worked in a di erent department. I worked in the product-design department and he was at the experimental shop. Those were two di erent institutions. We didn't actually have any union meetings. They collected money every now and then, we paid our membership fees. I don't really remember. I worked at the factory a little more than a year and I don't remember any meetings -- except when we were falling behind on our production plan. We had just launched the first transistor radio receiver, the Minsk-T, and it wasn't doing well on the conveyor belt. And then there was a demand for overnight work, and there was some decent money in it. I remember that on the first night I made one receiver work, but after that I got eight receivers to work, and they stopped the [overtime] payments. I think that policy a ected [Oswald] as well. RFE/RL: You mentioned money. Do you know how he spent his money? Shushkevich: I don't know. But he never complained that he had no money or that he denied himself anything. RFE/RL: Oswald wrote in his diaries that, with his Red Cross checks, he was making as much as the factory director. Was it noticeable that he was living comfortably? Shushkevich: Perhaps I was wrong about the quality of his clothes. Maybe he was wearing simple clothes in an elegant way. Or maybe his clothes were more expensive than ours, I don't rule that out. RFE/RL: Did he speak about his favorite places in Minsk? Shushkevich: That was covered by the ban. I repeat, I can't believe I followed the Party Committee's instruction so closely. RFE/RL: How did he address you? Shushkevich: He addressed us very simply. He said "Sasha" to Rubenchik and "Stanislau" to me. RFE/RL: What was your reaction when you learned that Lee Harvey Oswald was accused of assassinating U.S. President John F. Kennedy? Shushkevich: I remember that day very well. I was already working at a university at that time. As a faculty member I worked with Factory No. 32, a restricted-access radio-electronic factory, where we had our metalwork done. It was during lunch break that the announcement was made on factory radio. It was 1963. I couldn't believe it. It seemed like I had just had contact with [Oswald], in 1961. It was unbelievable. They said nothing about Minsk. They said "Lee Harvey Oswald." At first I thought it was someone else. I knew a few people named Lee, by the way. Then they said it again. I listened more closely and I thought, "Well, I'm in a pickle now. Who knows what I could be accused of?" I walk out to the street. I should say that we had many Jewish people at the design bureau and they were all good jokers. Many of them had just been thrown out of the Molotov factory. And so this guy came up to me and said, "Why are you still walking on the street? Liabezin has been arrested, that other guy has been arrested. And you're still walking. Good for you," he said. "I don't get you, are you with the KGB or are you a physicist?" -- such jokes came from everyone you knew. Everyone at the factory knew that we had taught [Oswald]. The product-design department was a three- story building and everyone knew that we taught [Oswald]. And everyone had to make fun of me. At the [May Day] demonstration I couldn't make a move without being told, "How did they let you come here?" But there were never any questions from the o cial structures. Quiz: How Much Do You Know About JFK? RFE/RL: Did you have any contact with the security services during your time with Oswald or after? Shushkevich: No. At the factory, it was [Party Secretary] Liabezin who served as the instrument of security services. He was the only person I talked to about this subject. RFE/RL: So nobody ever spoke to you about Oswald? Shushkevich: Nobody. Never. Neither before nor after. However, later, when I became chairman of the Belarusian Supreme Soviet, [U.S. novelist and author of "Oswald's Tale: An American Mystery"] Norman Mailer came and asked if he could look at [Oswald's] personal file. I said, "Before the end of the day tomorrow, I will answer your question." After he left, I called [Eduard] Shirkovsky, chairman of the KGB. I asked if it could hurt our interests. He said, "Of course not. Let him look at it, right now." That was his answer. Mailer had a big team. They wrote their book collectively. His representative, accompanied by a very nice lady, came back to me, and I said they could familiarize themselves [with Oswald's file]. RFE/RL: A lot has been written and filmed over the past 50 years about Lee Harvey Oswald. As someone who was in direct contact with him, do you ever feel that you know something that has been untold to the world about him? Shushkevich: You know, a lot more has been said about him than I could even imagine. To speak more about him, well, first of all, I don't even want to. In fact, I don't think it was his work. I went to Dallas exactly for that, on my own initiative. It was when I went to the Center for Belarusian Studies in Winfield, 40 miles [65 kilometers] from Wichita,...Kansas. The college director lent us his car, and my wife and I drove down to Dallas. We drove around the whole city, and we looked at the street where it happened. And the only thought I had there was that the chiefs of the U.S. president's security services were simply idiots or that it was a plot directed at Kennedy, a plot in line with the traditions of Dallas itself. We went to some museums in Dallas and looked what the [Ku Klux Klan] had done there, how they killed blacks and Catholics. It was a gangster center, in our terms, to my understanding. I hope the people of Dallas and Texas will forgive me. I had no other feeling. Therefore, it is my absolute conviction that they found a passive, calm, compliant boy, and used him as the guilty one. As for the conclusions of the Warren Commission, I don't believe them one bit. I have studied them and I don't think [the assassination] was the work of my student. Interview and translation by Pavel Butorin

@ Jim Hargrove In that Memo there is an error made by Cassasin/Richardson regarding the YEAR of his conversation about Oswald. . Casasin, which is Richardson, not Helms, corrects that error when confronted with his Nov. 25.11.1963 memo 15 years later by HSCA staff. In this HSCA testimony Casasin corrects the 25.11. 63 Memo himself and said: The Conversation about Oswald took place in the first week of July 1962 not in 1960 ... Armstrong and you are not aware of that ... KK And: Casisin is the pseudonym of Richardson, not Helms as Armstrong claims.

Paste of NYT Obituary. Why the hell "they" ordered a nuclear physicist (Shushkevich) to teach Oswald Russian? Stanislav Shushkevich, First Leader of Post-Soviet Belarus, Dies at 87 He helped formalize the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, led his country until 1994, then became a vocal critic of his successor, Aleksandr G. Lukashenko. By Neil Genzlinger May 4, 2022 Stanislav Shushkevich, the first leader of Belarus when the country became independent upon the Soviet Union’s collapse, and an outspoken critic of the man who succeeded him and has led with an authoritarian hand ever since, Aleksandr G. Lukashenko, has died. He was 87 and had recently been hospitalized with Covid-19. On Wednesday his widow, Irina Shushkevich, told news agencies that he had died overnight at his home in Minsk, the capital. Mr. Shushkevich, a nuclear physicist before entering politics, led Belarus for less than three years before he was displaced by Mr. Lukashenko, but it was an eventful tenure. It began in December 1991, when Mr. Shushkevich, who was then chairman of the Byelorussian Supreme Soviet, or Parliament, joined with leaders of two other Soviet republics, Boris N. Yeltsin of Russia and Leonid M. Kravchuk of Ukraine, to sign an agreement forming a “Commonwealth of Independent States” — in effect, dissolving the Soviet Union. The bloc had already been coming apart at the seams — recent events had included a coup attempt that August against the Soviet president, Mikhail S. Gorbachev — but the agreement, signed at a forest retreat in western Belarus, formalized the dissolution. Mr. Shushkevich became the head of state of Belarus, though that role became more and more ceremonial as his tenure went along. He faced difficult issues, including stabilizing the economy and determining how dependent Belarus should be, economically and militarily, on Russia, its much larger neighbor to the east. Mr. Shushkevich soon faced opposition at home, but he was well regarded by the United States, particularly for his commitment to ridding Belarus of the nuclear weapons from the Soviet era that remained on its soil. On a visit to Minsk in October 1993, Warren M. Christopher, then the secretary of state under President Bill Clinton, praised the country as “a shining example to states around the region,” hoping that others, especially Ukraine, its neighbor to the south, would follow suit. Mr. Clinton himself visited Minsk the following January, meeting with Mr. Shushkevich and pledging American financial help with denuclearization. By then, though, Mr. Shushkevich was in political trouble. Parliament was dominated by hard-line Communists who often objected to his centrist policies and his resistance to aligning Belarus with Russia. But some of his liberal supporters, too, had become disenchanted with compromises he had pursued on such issues. Less than two weeks after Mr. Clinton’s visit, Parliament repudiated him with an overwhelming no-confidence vote. Mr. Shushkevich defended his policies, especially his efforts at economic reform. “The only way forward is democracy, not socialism, and democracy means market economics,” he said at the time. “We live in a poor, polarized society with many extremes. Communists are in the majority, and they are not aware that the economy is the very basis of what we do, not ideology.” Complicating matters was a recent corruption investigation that had accused Mr. Shushkevich of using state funds for personal benefit, including work on his apartment, though his supporters dismissed those allegations as an attempt to smear him politically. The investigation had been led by Mr. Lukashenko, and before 1994 was over, he had been elected president. Mr. Shushkevich, who was also a candidate, finished well back in a crowded field. Stanislav Stanislavovich Shushkevich was born in Minsk on Dec. 15, 1934. His father, Stanislav Petrovich Shushkevich, worked at newspapers and was twice exiled to work camps during Joseph Stalin’s regime. His mother, Romanovskaya Elena Ludvikova, was a teacher and writer. Mr. Shushkevich graduated from Byelorussian State University in 1956, earned a postgraduate degree in 1959 at the Institute of Physics of the Academy of Sciences, and went on to become one of the republic’s leading nuclear physicists, holding top posts at several laboratories. He was also a professor at the state university in Minsk and, from 1986 to 1990, its provost. After the nuclear accident at the Chernobyl power plant in what is now Ukraine in 1986, Mr. Shushkevich was among those expressing concern about the effects of the fallout on the people of Belarus (then called Byelorussia). “Chernobyl polluted 20 percent of Byelorussia’s territory,” he told The New York Times in 1991, and he thought the Soviet government did not do enough to help Byelorussia. His concerns about Chernobyl were one reason he sought a seat in the Congress of People’s Deputies, a body Mr. Gorbachev created in 1989; he was elected to Parliament the following year. After the August 1991 coup attempt, some parliamentary leaders were forced out, and Mr. Shushkevich was named the body’s chairman. After he was ousted by Mr. Lukashenko in 1994, Mr. Shushkevich became a vocal critic of his successor, and of Mr. Lukashenko’s penchant for making pie-in-the-sky promises. “If he can do it all, he is Moses,” Mr. Shushkevich told The Times in July 1994. “But he is not. Solzhenitsyn said that Vladimir Zhirinovsky” — a firebrand ultranationalist in Russia — “was the caricature of a Russian patriot. Well, Lukashenko is the caricature of Zhirinovsky.” Mr. Lukashenko, though, may have exacted a measure of revenge. The Times reported in 2002 that in 1997, he issued an executive decree setting new rates and cost-of-living conditions for pensions of state officials — except for former chairmen of the Supreme Soviet, a club that consisted of Mr. Shushkevich and one other man. In hyperinflation-prone Belarus, that hit Mr. Shushkevich hard in the pocketbook. His monthly payment “used to be around $200,” Mr. Shushkevich told The Times, “which is a good pension by our standards.” “Now,” he said, “it is 3,196 rubles. That equals $1.80.” In addition to his wife, his survivors include a son, Stanislau, and a daughter, Alena. Mr. Shushkevich continued to fire away at his successor to the end. In one of his last interviews, in December, he linked Mr. Lukashenko and Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin. “Putin and Lukashenko are still unhappy with the fall of the U.S.S.R.,” he was quoted as saying. “They want to rule forever. This is not the way to create a democracy.” Milana Mazaeva contributed reporting.

But Armstrong is not only wrong about the Russian speaking Oswald in Minsk, he is wrong claiming, that Marina Oswald and Ella German did speak English with Oswald in Minsk. Ernst Titovets was Oswalds friend in Minsk and wrote a book: OSWALDS RUSSIAN EPISODE. When confronted with some Armstrong fantasies he said: Armstrong: “On October 18 [1960] Lee Harvey Oswald celebrated his 21st birthday. Ella German a girl from the Horizon factory who Oswald had been dating the past two months, and spoke very good English, attended a small birthday party at his apartment.”(p. 311). Titovets: Ella German did not speak English at all. Armstrong:”It is clear that Marina associated with Americans, spoke English with Webster and almost certainly spoke English with Oswald… Marina’s ability to read, write, and speak English fluently before she left Russia is indisputable.” (p. 340). Titovets: Marina did not speak English at all. Close quote