David Andrews

Jason - See Oswald and the CIA by John Newman for the false defector angle.

Again...it must be those rogues!

I keep an open mind about Roscoe White, who deserves more and better research. But it says something that a monied promotional concern formed to get a book or movie deal out of Ricky and Geneva's melodramatic "I Was Mandarin" tales couldn't plug all the holes in the story to a publisher's satisfaction. Everybody and his mother can get an "I Killed JFK" contract, including the people who wrote about JFK taking an accidental head shot from a Secret Service man's AR-15. Even James Files. Why not Ricky and his mom? The Dave Perry article linked to above casts serious doubt on the White documents and photos not "stolen by the FBI." Suspicion surrounds Roscoe White - evidence does not.

Even innocent me owns a pair of fake glasses. And people who don't want to be recognized put on their readers or little-used prescription lenses all the time.

Lansdale's tall, but not like Dulles. He makes Dulles look like a big bruiser, which is surprising. I think he's a good size match for Dealey Man, and I'm guessing he had the time after retiring to grow his hair out.

I knew a person with diagnosed mild acromegaly, and Lansdale resembles that person very much in head and body shape. I wonder if acromegaly could be the reason for the "deformed" left hand. Note that Lansdale's not that tall, but seems to have longer arms and a longer head than the taller Allen Dulles.

Thanks for the links. I had forgotten that Roscoe White was discussed in the LaFontaines' book. What happened to Ricky White after the Matsu company promotional partnership collapsed? Is there any journalism on how that venture failed? (P. S., I'm aware of the "Ricky White Curse" articles.) EDIT: This article answers some of my questions about the promotional venture. The hoax seems to have collapsed of its own weight. I guess Ricky toils in obscurity now: http://dperry1943.com/roscoew.html

I'm forgetting in my advancing age: did Ricky White ever write (or co-write) a book on his alleged find of the Roscoe White diary? Does anybody know the published work that gives the best account of that affair? THANKS

1) Do we know how long May Newman lived in the US? Did she have other employers before the Murchison family? 2) She never listened to a radio while in the US? It created a generation of illiterate Hoover fans and "junior G-Men." 3) I'm not sure Hoover would get a mention in an "International Relations" course abroad. 4) "University of Dublin" - do we know she's from southern Ireland? You know that Oswald guy? You can probably assume he's a communist, too.

You know...it's kind of strange that any American of the period would not know who J. Edgar Hoover was. I was age four in November 1963 and I'm sure I firmly knew who Hoover was by 1968, thanks to TV news, newspapers, movies, and even comic books. You'd think that name would have had even more currency in the earlier Cold War days, and with people raised in the gangbusters era. Hoover was pretty much the ne plus ultra of law enforcement in the public mind.

So glad a recording will be available. THANKS.

You really ought to be reading more Gaeton Fonzi, Paul. His HSCA investigation implicates GHWB and David Atlee Phillips in the bombing assassination of Orlando Letelier, 1976.

Where is the Mae (or May) Newman interview available?

Seconded, despite JFK's trust of Smathers or his regard for GS's usefulness. I don't think Smathers missed Kennedy one bit.

It seems like Judy took my advice posted on this Forum and read Bobby Baker's complete Senate History Office interview and excerpted quotations from it, albeit with haphazard commentary. I'm gratified that someone followed my recommendation, though I would have hoped for a more incisive and useful digest - like, say, by Jim DiEugenio. I wonder what is the GS-rating of the man or lady who read and excerpted Baker's interview for Judyth? Can I get that deal? I could write more convincing commentary in Judy's voice.

Gerry Hemming - God rest his obfuscations - pointed out that a lot of people and groups threw money at the Kennedy hit, and that afterward the lot of them could be bullied into quiescence by knowledge of their guilty actions among the real powers. Hemming also said that after the assassination he could tell the difference between the behavior of the ones who had merely desired the hit, and the way the ones who actually were in on it handled affairs. Something in both statements, I suspect, when considering Walker and the JBS. I can't cite the chapters and verses of these remarks in Hemming, but Hemming-watchers will find these paraphrases familiar. I put Walker, Rousselot, Gabaldon, and the JBS - an organization that some would have us believe was as powerful as the Latter Day Saints - among Hemming's first groupings of hapless b******s. However, I can't rule out Walker as a player in Oswald's defection and (especially) in organizing Kennedy hatred in the US and Europe. Trejo will find this encouraging and write paragraphs on it. I'll read them, but not be converted and baptized. The JBS? Good God! Where are they today? On the barricades at Charlottesville? This day, I tell thee, they're beneath Trump's notice. As Trejo points out, Walker became a minor millionaire only through lawsuits - something even Howard Hunt could have pulled off, had he fewer enemies. See you in the morning, Paul. I'll be there by afternoon, like Claude Rains in Casablanca.

We could start making a list of what we know and what we suspect is going on...

Hair and head look different from Dealey Man's. Taylor's hair always seen cut rounded in the back to conform to head shape.

Non-prescription, clear-lens glasses have been available a long time - for "fashion," for disguise, for actors to wear. I own a pair, acquired in the 1980s. Lansdale's hair looks like Dealey Man's hair in this 1979 interview, Lansdale is 16 years older here. Does Dealey Man look older than Lansdale in1963?

I can't swear that it's Lansdale in Dealey, but that has never looked like Maxwell Taylor from the back to me. No offense to any other opinion. What we need is some good Max-Taylor-from-behind photos. There has got to be a 3/4-shot among press photos somewhere. Max Taylor seems to have been a little shorter than Kennedy, Allen Dulles was about the same height as Kennedy, and looks perhaps four inches taller when photographed beside Lansdale, who was apparently not as tall as that long head makes one imagine he is. "Lansdale" in Dealey Plaza is a few inches shorter than Tall Tramp, especially if TT had lifted his head for the photo. Where does that leave us? P. S. - Lansdale's famously "deformed" left hand can be seen in a photo on the page linked to below. Depending on which Windows version you have, you may need to do some mouse-clicking to see the whole large image, which is a film frame grab: https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=12412.0 A thought: Fletcher Prouty may have been very used to sitting at a desk and watching Lansdale exit a room.

I know, but my point is, every film mentioned in my post was a a box office bomb, including Jackie, for which there were high expectations in the MSM. A trend? Re: your 2.5 x the budget rule - All the figures I had at hand were the IMDB scores, and those are best described euphemistically as approximations, which I presented for comparison. Parkland would have had a negligible ad campaign compared with Jackie, yet they both flopped. Absent worldwide box office and DVD figures, even the whitewash United 93 failed to make 2.5 x its budget, with ticket sales declining after opening weekend: Budget: $15,000,000 (estimated) Opening Weekend: $11,478,360 (USA) (28 April 2006) Gross: $31,471,430 (USA) (30 June 2006)

To put Parkland's attendance figures in perspective, Jackie, budgeted at $9,000,000 (from IMDB - and probably an understatement), made only $13,958,679 (USA) as of 14 April 2017, four months after release. By Hollywood standards, this is not rank failure, but it's a "box office failure," considering that the additional $4 mil that brings it to break-even point was spent on TV and print ads, theater trailers, etc. IMDB lists Parkland as budgeted at $10,000,000, but it made only $652,355 (USA) as of 1 November 2013, one month after release. Presumably IMDB's budget announcement dates reflect the day the picture last played in theaters. The figures do not take in worldwide box office, nor DVD sales and rentals, which the industry depends on to recover the production costs of non-hit movies. Oliver Stone's studiously inoffensive World Trade Center also only broke even. The bland film about RFK's assassination, Bobby, didn't make back its $14 mil production budget, scoring only $11 mil and change, USA. I wonder if there is a general trend here. Would people go to the theater to see conspiracy-minded historical films of the JFK type faster than conventional history/biography? It's something you can't prove, since no US production company is going to buy those type scripts. All conspiracy films now have to be ads for the glamour and necessity of conspiracy.

I've been watching the Jason Bourne movie series for tips on how modern surveillance plays out in fiction/film. The whole series reads like one long ad for how rogue agents and rogue ops penetrate intelligence from the very top to the very bottom, and always will - because good or necessary programs, once developed, go rogue. As I've tried to point out in other posts, with perhaps too much comedy, if rogue ops are ubiquitous and tolerated, what is the difference between rogue ops and actual policy? For instance, what was the distinction between the arms dealing of Ted Shackley and Edwin Wilson in North Africa and the policy-making arrogated to itself by CIA? That Sheckley skated and Wilson was punished as a rogue? The situation repeated itself with different dimensions in the Central America contra war. I don't know the precise history, but I doubt the Bourne series rose to film supremacy without intel consultation and approval. Paul Greengrass, the series' principal director, directed the arguable whitewash United 93.

For what it's worth, Noel Twyman's interview with Roy Hargraves has Hargraves identifying Adrian O'Hare as "Bishop" (pp.22-23 in the .pdf below.) So if it wasn't a migratory alias at the Agency, it was thrown around a lot as disinfo after the assassination. http://larry-hancock.com/roy_hargraves_interview.pdf

Look at the photos of Walker's house in the Kennedy years. Then look up the house today on Zillow. That's rich. That's Clay Shaw rich, and more. A dozen years after the assassination, instead of becoming POTUS or Texas governor, or even mayor of Dallas, Walker wasn't allowed to skate on two lousy morals beefs, even though the complainants were DPD. The fact that he did it twice says something. So does the fact that he had to do it at all. Clay Shaw never had to go that far for a thrill. Nobody even gave Walker high office in the JBS. All the chasing he did to get his once-renounced military pension restored is telling of his financial need. Getting it was a sop thrown to him so he'd slink back into obscurity. P. S. There's two components to "If you're so smart, why ain't you rich?" The predetermining one is smart.