Bernice Moore

''Since what he is reporting obviously occurred BEFORE the limo took off and BEFORE it reached the TUP, I have supposed that you, like me, would put Curry + Sorrels + Hargis + Chaney + Hill + Kellerman = the Zapruder film has been faked! We don't see all this in the film! That under the pressure of testifying before the commission there would be variations from their original reports should not come as any surprise. Their testimony was being massaged! What is important, from this point of view, is that Kellerman confirms what Hill reported.'' I have been going through some of my files, Jack and I were still in contact re research before he had to retire from the Forum, this i am going to post pertained to Chaney going forward and relaying his information that the President had been shot to curry......he was still, Jack, IMO doing some great work, while i as usual,upon receiving his emails puttered and tried to grasp all his information, at times the light bulbs did burn brightly within my grey matter, other times they remained burnt out.......anyhoo.......this is photo research from Jack,that to myknowledge was never posted before, some of the last he worked on,as far as i know, it is within a frame of Wiegman,before the limo proceeded under the underpass,I post such, not to encourage the discord, but to hopefully clarify for some the information that has been researched,it may help in providing some clarity towards what has become a prickly subject..within the reasearch ....so FYI from Jack White, god bless him........best b

Maegher, rifle, Kleins... Footnote 4,ch.2,page 48: The Commission asserts that the rifle was ordered on a coupon cut from a full-page advertisement by Klein's Sporting Goods Co. in the February 1963 issue of The American Rifleman magazine (WR 119), but the actual advertisement (which is not included in the Commis- sion's Exhibits) offers a 36-inch Carcano rifle weighing 5-1/2 lbs. with catalogue number C20-T750. The same catalogue number without the "T" identifies the 40.2 inch Carcano shown in Klein's full page ad in the November 1963 Field and Stream (Holmes Exhibit No.2). Thus the rifle ordered by "Hidell" does not correspond with the longer, heavier rifle found in the Book Depository. The Commission never mentions this descrepancy, which apparently was overlooked or disreguarded. It is possible that Klein's made an error in filling the order, but can we merely assume that? Bob Druwing http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php? az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=57829&mesg_id=57829&page=

I do not know if this will help in anyway Dave but FWIW.. from the Marsh collection..thanks...b

thanks David, it was all like a nickel and dime rodeo show in some ways, others the investigation should have been written up for an everlasting example for new criminal investigators in training, as the ''What not to do '' subtitled,'' the worse in history'', seems either all were told previously before relating any info, what to or not to report, bet the land lines were very busy, between such.makes one wonder....thanks...carry on carrying on... b..below from gil jesus...

FYI... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13845 CLAYTON WHEAT, N.R.A. Director, Shooting Recreation ? b..

I read of late but..duh gone now..that there was a stick within the bag...here is the CIA report..re rifle you mention....take care b

David; you may be interested in this..fwiw.... When Mark Lane testified before the WC, he requested to see the alleged assassination rifle on March 4, 1964. This was denied. When on July 2, 1964, he testified again it was only on the condition that he be allowed to see the rifle. "Rush To Judgment", page.... 115 When Mark Lane looked at it, on July 2, 1964, he read aloud to the WC members the inscription that was on it.... stating...... "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5." (WCH V p. 561) His purpose was to support Officer Weitzman's affidavit........ arguing that he doubted any Police Officer would have made such a mistaken identitification...and related Mauser in error.. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/gtds.html THE GUN THAT DIDN'T SMOKE ''The Warren Commission reported, however, that when the rifle was found, .... NBC and WBAP radio identified it as a British Enfield .303. ... KRLD radio announced that the rifle was "presumed to be a .25 caliber high powered Army or ... had even seen a Mauser at the TSBD in the possession of their supervisor, Roy Truly''

NBC Announces Enfield .303 Rifle Found on TSBD.6th http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/Scans/WBAP-TV.txt b..

Here is past information on Hicks... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4886 Hicks v. Saul

Bill, i am just about to read this found article, but hopefully it may help you with further information...??..b http://www.maryferre...bsPageId=388938 When a mysterious death is no longer mysterious No nothing within, FYI...b

Hi Bill; I realize the info re the station wagon goes way back, i think it was mentioned by Mary Moorman..??, that had the machine gun on top...it has been known for many years, also the Nix gunman,which both disappeared upon close examination, there has been reported a photo taken showing the Joes station wagon with machine gun, taken within Dealey before the assassination, i am thinking from the Harris info it was to have been in a Nix frame also, perhaps, any knowledge of which or where it is available, the same with the station wagon being outside when LHO was being transferred..within what photo or film was it seen,?? ..thanks very much I appreciate any info you may have to pass along, take care...best b

David; thankyou,certainly a new approach, very interesting, differences seen.......fellas, does anyone have an answer as yet, to the dogs nose artifat within the backyard photo...thanks...b...

Paul, i am getting avg virus hit from your latest your pet link... ..b

DAVID QUOTE.''Bottom line -- People are HUMAN. Not machines. They make mistakes and always will as long as we humans roam the Earth..'' Yes, David, we all make mistakes at times.....But, we do not as Gary has continually done for years now, sent emails to whomever on the web, when he believes he has found one in someones post,on a Forum, see when you pretend to be The Know It All, and rub it in as he has to some, and present a hauty and at times insulting attitude in doing so, It is hillarious, to find, by some now, How the mighty has fallen, and by words from his own mouth that he has used constantly to belittle others by his crummy attitude, unless one goes the kissy butt in return attitude, in reply to him,which most will not and have not, they have simply taken it for years, so now that should explain for you, the How Sweet It Is attitudes you read here in this thread.... Gary poo, please in future from now on do recall that you also make mistakes......and stop the Lording attitude you have used in the past....See What Goes Around Eventually Does Come Around.......After All.......all ...take care...b

Robert Groden's not done battling the city of Dallas over his right to sell JFK conspiracy materials in Dealey Plaza http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2013/03/robert-grodens-not-done-battling- the-city-of-dallas-over-his-right-to-sell-jfk-conspiracy-materials-in-dealey -plaza.html/ or http://tinyurl.com/b8r55b4 By Robert Wilonsky For close to two decades the city of Dallas and Robert Groden have been at odds over his right to set up a table at Dealey Plaza from which he sells his DVDs, magazines and books insisting John Kennedy was killed by a cast of co-conspirators. For now, at least, that battle has come to an end: As noted below, in recent days a Dallas County Criminal Court of Appeals upheld a municipal court judge's December 2010 decision to toss out the city's case against Groden, who never left Dealey Plaza despite dozens of arrests and even more warnings. But the case is far from closed. From the files, this photo of Groden taping down the "X" in the center of Elm St. that marks the spot where JFK was fatally shot In June 2010 Groden filed a federal suit against the city that alleged, among other things, malicious prosecution. That case was put on hold while the city and Groden duked it out elsewhere. "But now that we have this ruling, we can look ahead to federal court," says Groden, who served as the staff photographic consultant to the House Select Committee on Assassinations and was a consultant on Oliver Stone's JFK. "And now we're hoping to show beyond any question that what the city did was wrong. .. This has been going on for 14 years, this degree of harassment, and it has to stop." Over the years Groden's been given 80 citations for illegally peddling his wares on city-controlled parks property, and 80 times those citations were tossed. The city long claimed that Dealey Plaza was a municipal park over which it had total authority, but as Dallas Municipal Judge Carrie Chavez ruled in December 2010, the site of the assassination is never mentioned in the Dallas City Code. So she tossed the case. (Chavez, incidentally, is no longer a municipal judge: She wasn't recommended for rehire last summer during those contentions muni judge back-and-forths at City Hall.) As you can read below, on February 15 Judge Kristen Wade of the County Criminal Court of Appeals ruled that Chavez was absolutely right in her initial ruling. In documents filed in federal court last week, (now-outgoing) Dallas City Attorney Tom Perkins wrote that Dallas "will not further appeal the municipal court's order quashing the misdemeanor information against Groden. Therefore, the City cannot further prosecute Mr. Groden in with respect to his actions that gave rise to that misdemeanor charge." "The city was just plain wrong," says Groden, who believes his persecution and prosecution was led by the city in concert with the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza. "As we get closer and closer to November 22, it's becoming more and more obvious the city and the Sixth Floor Museum are trying to censor what we're trying to say - that there was an alternative. We're saying, 'Think, look at the evidence.' And the Sixth Floor doesn't want you to see the evidence." And Groden says he has more: Upcoming, he promises, is his latest book JFK: Absolute Proof, which has "tons of new evidence I couldn't talk about before," he says. If you need a copy he'll be out in Dealey Plaza, where he's been for years - now, with a judge's blessing. Of course, still in question is whether he'll be there on November 22 . "For 49 years now people like myself and the Coalition of Political Assassinations have kept the issues of the assassination alive and done very respectful observations on the anniversary of the assassination for 49 years," he says. "Now it's the magic 50, and the city can make money off it and they want to take it over and pretend like they've been doing their job all these years. But people are aware of what the city's trying to do; they know there's a degrees of censorship related to Dealey Plaza. But people want to know the truth." Click here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/128910298/City-v-Robert-Groden-Docs or http://tinyurl.com/aooo9by

LHO grave as it was tended by Marguerite..

Thank you Robin, appreciated, he is gone but is still sharing and giving, which is what he always did..and he is very missed..imo...b

Video: Court rules Dallas must allow conspiracy vendors at Dealey Plaza http://tinyurl.com/a3tmrpj by BRAD WATSON WFAA Updated today at 6:07 PM (The case was decided by Judge Kristin Wade, of the Dallas County Criminal Court of Appeals.) DALLAS -- An appellate court ruled Tuesday that the city of Dallas must stop an enforcement effort against JFK conspiracy vendors selling materials at Dealey Plaza ahead of the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination. The Dallas County Criminal Court of Appeals ruled in favor of Robert Groden, a longtime conspiracy theorist and vendor who was arrested in 2010 for selling merchandise in Dealey Plaza. The appellate court upheld a lower court's decision to toss the city's case out. "It's a matter of free speech, it's a First Amendment issue," Groden said. "The city wanted us out of here; it didn't want anyone giving an alternative point of view about the Kennedy assassination." Workers are already laying new sod at Dealey Plaza in an effort to upgrade the area before Nov. 22, the anniversary of John F. Kennedy's death. In 2010, police arrested Groden for selling merchandise at a park, claiming that vendors harassed visitors. But the judge pointed out that the city doesn't list Dealey Plaza as a park, and there wasn't a way to get a sales permit. The city told News 8 it won't appeal further. So the vendors remain and some visitors like Peter Crowell from Punta Gorda, Fla., support them. "Well, first of all, it's the United States of America. You know, I mean, these are all protected rights that we all have," he said. Since Groden's arrest, the City Council revised the law to allow the sale of First Amendment-protected items. On the anniversary, The 50th Committee expects 5,000 tickets to be available for the event. About two thirds of those will be handed out to the public at random. But Groden is already skeptical if conspiracy buffs will be included. "Who determines who gets the tickets?," Groden wondered. The Dealey Plaza renovation should be finished by the end of March, according to the contractor, Dallas-based Phoenix Restoration and Construction. -- Regards, TOM BLACKWELL, PO Box 25403, Dallas, Texas 75225 http://DemocraticResearch

Death of a president, 50 years on | TribLIVE.. CYRIL WECHT http://triblive.com/opinion/qanda/3292514-74/commission-kennedy-warren#axzz2JTKaMJWP

Thanks Robin, that is them, I believe also........the name of the book Pat, is Triangle of Fire, where this information is within, by Bob Goodman...b

Pat; i am not sure if this will be of any information, but it could be a start,,,b.. Where, also, is the schoolboy, Alan Smith, who was widely quoted on 23 November in US newspapers? Smith said unequivocally the head shot had struck Kennedy in the forehead, which would strongly suggest he was in front of the President at the time. Now scan the films – he, too, has vanished. (“The car was ten feet from me when a bullet hit the President in the forehead…the car went about five feet and stopped,” Jack Bell, “Eyewitnesses describe scene of assassination: Sounds of shooting brought car to a halt,” NYT, 23 November 1963, p.5) Minor contradictions between witnesses and films I could accept and rationalise. Wholesale, irreconcilable conflicts, not a chance. Paul Didn't Smith (Bob Goodman)say he was in the pergola???? http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10829&st=45

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19759 ''Clearly, no one in the Dallas power loop wants to see a poorly dressed mob occupying Dealey Plaza, chanting about conspiracies and cover-ups —at least not while Wolf Blitzer is broadcasting worldwide..'' Will the invited ticket holding guests, be in evening wear...???OH MY...b

The film the Pentagon did not want made! FULL MOVIE - YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFj7b1c60U b..

DSL INSERT: Huh??? HUH?? is right..David...but of course this will be followed by the forever explanation.......that he has learnt to do so very well...take care..b

Here are a FEW copies, not included perhaps, ....B