Tom Hume

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I'll give it a go: The top photo is a close-up of Shell "A" from CE510, and the bottom photo is a close-up of Shell "A" from CE512. I used the CE510 and CE512 photo-versions that were posted on this thread. Looking closely, this version of CE510 appears to have a whole lot more pixels than its pixel-poor neighbor, CE512 (How come? Are there higher resolution photos out there for us to look at? Is there anything to be learned here?). CE510 (shell "A" close-up) CE512 (shell "A" close-up) Jim D, you wrote that in his book, John Armstrong had some interesting things to say about CE510 and CE512. Anything worth sharing? Steve Thomas asked, “The shells have been moved, haven’t they?” I'll say that shell “A” appears to be in a different spot. And I wonder if there is something fishy about CE512. Notice that the black circles are perfect, and that before the perfect black circles were added to the photo, some lighter circles had been drawn in by hand. Notice the lighter hand-drawn circle around shell “A” in CE 512. If that thing that looks more like cigarette butt than a shell casing is the reason for that circle, it’s not in the middle of the circle where it should be, but on the edge. Who would circle something and not place the object of interest in the middle? CE510 CE512

The top photo is a close-up of shell "A" from the Dallas Municipal Archives (provided by Gary Murr yesterday and David Von Pein today). The lower photo is a close-up of shell "A" from photo CE 510 (provided by Michael Clark today):

Some old EF threads: Also: http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKrivele.htm

Hi Jeff, You wrote: “Hi Tom - the negative for 133-A is in the Archives. It was the negative for 133-B (and 133-C for that matter) which is missing.” Perhaps I’m confused, but the HSCA report linked below says: “CE749, the original negative to CE 133-B, was the only negative recovered from the possession of the Dallas Police Department; consequently, it was the only original negative available to the Panel for analysis. There is no official record explaining why the Dallas Police Department failed to give the Warren Commission the other original negative.” http://www.jfklancer.com/Rifle.html As for the possible backyard photo destroyed by either Marina or Marguerite, my bet would be that it was the 3D mate to CE133B. According to my highly subjective puzzle research, there were originally 4 backyard photos taken with the Stereo Realist camera - CE133A and 133C are a 3D set with Lee Oswald’s head attached to Wesley Frazier’s body, and CE133B and a missing photo are a 3D set featuring a different body-double with Lee’s head attached. I have started a rough draft of this argument at the link below. It’s an old thread of mine that I’m intending to rewrite if I can live long enough. If you get a hold the right piece of equipment you can view some of Oswald's 3D image creations there.

James DiEugenio wrote: “Then let me ask you this one: How did the DeMohrenschildt version originate? Since that seems to have been taken with an entirely different format with different field of view and resolution.” While we’re waiting for Jeff to respond to Jim’s question, I have a couple of comments: According to the HSCA Photographic Panel Report, CE133A and 133A de Mohrenschildt are supposedly first generation prints made from the same exact negative (apparently a negative that has never been recovered). The 3x3 CE133A is assumed to be a standard drugstore type print (as is CE133B), but 133A de Mohrenschildt is a 5x5 enlarged print, perhaps done at another facility. The bottom line is, 133A de Mohrenschildt, while a bit damaged, is the same click of the camera as CE133A. Years ago, Jack White noticed that all three backyard photos (CE133A, CE133B, and, 133C) were taken from almost exactly the same spot in space. This is bizarre for a number of reasons, and I don't think this aspect of the BYPs has received enough attention. It’s my view that the three photos were taken within the same two to three inch area, as if they had been shot with Lee Oswald’s Stereo Realist camera mounted on a tripod. In fact, CE133A and 133C reveal a dandy 3D image when rotated 88 degrees and the pair viewed through a Stereoscope. Perhaps some have seen my posts on this topic months ago.

Thomas Graves wrote: “I've always been suspicious as to why, after driving on the freeway(?) to work, he allegedly decided to let his car run at fast idle for a few minutes, thereby giving a lingering(?) Oswald a head start on the walk to the TSBD. I mean, so that the battery could get charged up???” It’s my hypothesis that Lee Oswald and his crew were pulling stunts (partially for our benefit) that were derived from anagrams of their own names. A few anagrams of “Lee Harvey Oswald” may apply here: Wesley drove Lee to work on the 22nd. “Lee Harvey Oswald” anagrams to: “A WESLEY DROVE A LH” Supposedly, another passenger in Wesley’s car that morning was Lee’s rifle. “Lee Harvey Oswald” anagrams to: “WESLEY HAVE A L ROD” When they arrived at work, Lee walked on ahead while Wes stayed behind and revved his engine. “Lee Harvey Oswald” anagrams to: “A REV DELAY WES. LHO” “AY, LHO LEAD, WES REV” “A LHO AD: WESLEY REV” Perhaps not too interesting, unless one combines these with the hundreds of other anagrams that seem to inexplicably correspond with actual enigmatic events associated with Lee Oswald.

Hi Ron, Thanks for your input on the James Branum Doodle. My reason for posting the doodle was to echo John Dolva’s suggestion that Buell Wesley Frazier be asked about it, hopefully in person so as to get a spontaneous reaction. Although the doodle is sort-of on topic with this thread, if you’re interested in pursuing a solution, and I hope you are, you could copy your post above to a thread I started a couple of years ago, and we could all kick it around over there. And by the way, my first and only post on that thread was written when the Doodle was new to me - my take on it has evolved a bit. Tom

Sandy wrote: "Exactly what kind of expert should be consulted? We need someone who can say whether or not teeth can spontaneously straighten up after tipping down, and then move straight over by 1/4 inch within a period of five years. And tell us what the odds of that happening are." Hi Sandy, Even though you say you have more to add to your arguments, for what it’s worth, you’ve already pretty much convinced me. But, I think that when you've completed your presentation, your conclusions are more likely to be accepted if you get some Forensic Odontologist types to put their stamp of approval on your findings. What is the percentage of Forensic Odontologists that suspect there is something very fishy about the official conclusions, vis-a-vis the Kennedy Assassination? Pick a number. Now imagine what kind of person might become a Forensic Odontologist. I’d guess that she/he would be very smart, be really interested in teeth, eager to answer technical teeth-related questions, and especially motivated toward solving teeth-related mysteries. If you’re correct, I’d guess that you’d find some objective and respected ears. If it turns out you’ve got something hot that can pass peer review hurdles, who knows? This discovery might become a Forensic Odontological landmark event, and maybe answer some pressing questions. Rock on, Tom

Re: Buell Wesley Frazier's wife, the following is from: http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1456p200-buell-wesley-frazier-wheres-your-rider-part-a Terry Martin: “I came across something a little odd. A short bio of BWF at IMDB says he married Beverly J on June 7th, 1962. Is that correct? So why wasn't he living with his blushing bride or was he in the same sort of marital hot water as Oswald?” Greg Parker: “Beverly Joan Frazier, born May, 1945, lives, Paris, Texas. Buell was one of the few who was not asked about his marital statis [sic] by the WC…" “One more thing... Frazier was brought down from Huntsville at around the time that a Dallas motorcade was given the go-ahead and the venue decided. At that point, the route was always going to take JFK past the book depository. There is also the discrepancy about how Frazier got the job. He claimed he got it through an Irving employment agency. Linnie claimed she suggested it to him. Not aware of any evidence the TSBD even used any employment agencies, but I believe they may have used the TEC In any case, I have long suspected that Wes was placed in there as part of the overall plan.” Ed Ledoux: “Seems contagious. Paines separate Sept. Oswalds separate Sept. Wesley separates Sept Hmmmm me see a pattern.” Buell Wesley Frazier bio from IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0292642/bio

Paul wrote: “When I read that testimony by Buell Wesley Frazier, I had to read it again -- then again. The language for 1964 appeared odd to me, and then I checked to see whether Frazier was ever married or had children, or even a girl friend. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I found none. I'm not a homophobe -- far from it -- but I think it is not only interesting, but relevant if Frazier was attracted or hopeful about Lee Harvey Oswald -- it could certainly help to explain his behavioral motivation on 11/22/1963.” This is interesting: All the bios I can easily find have Buell Wesley Frazier married to Beverly J. Frazier from June 7, 1962, to November 20, 1987. This marriage date doesn’t seem to make sense. I seem to remember reading that Wesley's son had recently been showing up at JFK assassination gatherings. It might be worth checking out, Paul. Tom

Hi Jim, I currently think that “James Branum” is not the name of a real person, but part of a very large steganographic puzzle, a “Rebus” puzzle designed to relay information. On and off, I’ve been working on this puzzle for a couple of years, and I believe I’ve got pieces of it. If I ever finish the puzzle, I will surely post my conclusions. Tom

Hi Sandy, I haven’t been following this too closely, but there is a separate argument put forward by some in the two Oswald’s camp that one of the boys (Lee) got in a schoolyard fight in 1954 and lost a front tooth. I don’t know if this is your position, Sandy, but how do your two sets of x-rays from two individuals (presumably Harvey and Lee) square with the missing front tooth argument? Edit added: Jim wrote: “Does anyone have a logical explanation for Sandy's finding. You know, something better than "trust the experts.”” As a novise, I find Sandy’s work impressive and perhaps potentially explosive. But finding qualified “experts” to support Sandy’s findings seems to be the way to go. Tom

A couple of posts back Thomas Graves asked: “(Whatever happened to “Lee, btw? No trace?)” Good question, Tommy. Here’s my guess: According to: http://sortedbybirthdate.com/pages/19391126.html "IGOR VAGANOV was born 26 November 1939, received Social Security number 191-30-7672 (indicating Pennsylvania) and, Death Master File says, died 23 May 2006." It's also my guess that "Igor Vaganov" was not his real name. As Jim said, "Fascinating work, Sandy."

On March 27, 2013, referring to Wesley Frazier, John Dolva asked this question on this very thread: “Can someone ask him if he knows who James Branum is/was?” John asked this question at least ten times on various threads (without response), and he was interested in an anomaly he found that appears to be associated with Buell Wesley Frazier’s written statement to the Dallas Police. Below are five consecutive links. The first four are Wesley’s written statement, and attached, without explanation apparently, is a fifth gif, something that might be called the “James Branum Doodle”. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0124-001.gif http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0124-002.gif http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0124-003.gif http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0124-004.gif http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0124-005.gif Did Lee Oswald give this doodle to Wesley? Was it found in the backseat of Wesley’s car? What is it, and why did the Dallas Police think it important enough to photograph it and attach it to Wesley’s written statement (if that’s indeed what happened)? I’ll rephrase John Dolva’s old and somewhat ubiquitous question: If the opportunity arises, could someone please ask Wesley Frazier about this doodle? Tom

Hi Steve, In your first post you wrote, in part, “I give up.” Too soon, maybe, but you noticed an anomaly and were puzzled enough by it to start a thread. Good on you! According to Oswald’s Historic Diary, “Rimma Sherikova” was Lee Oswald’s “Intorist guied [sic]”. In the first five pages of the diary, her first name occurs 19 times. Her first name is spelled “Rimma” 14 times, 4 times it is spelled “Rimmer”, and 1 time the spelling is illegible. (Steve, you apparently used the transcription of the diary to make your list of “Rimma” misspellings. I used the original diary, and my list is at the bottom. I think you’ll find it more accurate.) “ICO” stands for “Igor”, “Case”, and, “Oswald”, and according to my reading of the ICO puzzles, Oswald’s Historic Diary used some of Lee’s experiences in the Soviet Union as a background, and while Oswald may have done the penmanship himself, the diary was actually the creation of Richard Case Nagell and Igor V. Vaganov. “Historic Diary” anagrams to “Richard’s ’88’ Toy”, and the diary is a storehouse for “88” reference puzzles made by Richard and Igor. The entire list of “88” puzzles is in my June 25, 2014 post at the link below. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/20276-the-oswald-code/?page=1 We have two names to puzzle out, and we should be looking for the puzzle maker’s intended anagrams of: (1) “Rimma Sherikova” (2) “Rimmer Sherikova” First, the correct spelling, “Rimma Sherikova”, anagrams to: “Hark! a IV’s memior” “Rimma Sherikova” might well have been the woman’s name, but my guess is that Igor Vaganov, seeing the anagram-stunt possibilities in the name, decided to puzzle it up. The correct spelling of “Rimma Sherikova” also anagrams to: “Rimmer: HO’s aka, IV” And, “A IV ‘Rimmer’, ask HO” Here’s IV’s misspelled “Rimmer” inside the correct spelling of Rimma Sherikova, and we also have an invitation to “ask HO”, that is, to “ask” the name “Harvey Oswald”, which anagrams to: “Aye, LO ‘HD’ was a R/V” Apparently meaning that LO’s “Historic Diary” was actually penned by “R/V”, Richard and Vaganov. Next, here’s an anagram of IV’s incorrect spelling of “Rimmer Sherikova”: “H make errors. I’m IV” And, “IV make him errors” And here’s a final anagram of the incorrect spelling of “Rimmer Sherikova”: “Mr. V, hero maker. 88-18” (The number/letter translation key is in footnote #1) Now we are being directed to puzzle number “18” in the list of “88” diary puzzles. Puzzle “18” is “Sick Persons”, and it anagrams to: “K’S ‘SIC’ PERSON” My reading of the ICO puzzle system leads me to believe that Lee Oswald was working with “ICO” to double cross their assassination bosses, attempting to save Kennedy’s life. On the top-ten list of Oswald characteristics, his poor spelling might well be includded [sic] in that list. In my view, Richard Nagell and Igor Vaganov were masters at the art of “Steganography”, which is a branch of Cryptology where coded information is embedded in ordinary looking discourse, such as a diary. Creating steganographic anagram puzzles becomes much easier if the words to be decoded or puzzled out can be occasionally misspelled. Tom Footnote #1, Letter/Number Key: A=0)(B=1)(C=2)(D=3)(E=4)(F=5)(G=6)(H=7)(I=8)(J=9)(K=10)(L=11)(M=12)(N=13)(O=14)(P=15)(Q=16)(R=17)(S=18)(T=19)(U=20)(V=21)(W=22)(X=23)(Y=24)(Z=25) Footnote #2: Page #1 of diary: Oct. 16: “Meet Intorist guied Rimma Sherikova.” Oct. 17: “Rimma meets me for Intourist sighseeing…” Oct. 20: “Rimmer in the afternoon…” Oct. 21: “I think “when Rimma comes at…” Oct. 21: “…about 8:00 Rimma finds me unconcious…” Page #2 of diary: Oct. 21 [continued]: “…Poor Rimmer stays by my side…” Oct. 22: “Later in afternoon I am visited by Rimma…” Oct. 22: “Later they leave, I am alone with Rimma…” Oct. 23: “Later Rimma visits…” Oct. 24: “Hospital routine, Rimma visits me in afternoon.” Oct. 26: “Rimma visits.” Oct. 28: “Leave hospital in intorist car. with Rimma for Hotel “Berlin” Page #3 of diary: Oct. 28 (con.) Rimma notifies me that, pass & registration…” Later Rimma and car pick me up…Later Oct. 28: “Rimma comes to check on me.” Oct. 31: “…I meet and talk with Rimma for a few minutes.” Page #5 of diary: Nov. 17 - Dec. 30: “All meals I take in my room. Rim??? [illegible] arranged that….” Nov. 17 - Dec. 30: “…every-now-and-than Rimmer,…” Nov. 17 - Dec. 30: “During December I paid no money to the hotel, but Rimmer told Hotel I was…” Page #1 http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339322/m1/17/ Page #2 http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339322/m1/21/ Page #3 http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339322/m1/25/ Page #5 http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339322/m1/33/

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Hi David, Thanks again for your feedback, you've helped me clear something up. I've edited my introduction on my first post as follows: "This thread is an attempt to answer one aspect, one half if you will, of James DiEugenio's question, "Who is Abe Greenbaum?" There are two levels to the Richard C. Nagell letter under discussion, and there may be, and very likely are, two “Abe Greenbaums”: (1) Abe Greenbaum number one is the mystery character in Richard C. Nagell’s October 8, 1967 letter to his friend Arturo Verdestein. On this first level, Richard’s letter appears to be a literary puzzle, an allegorical farce maybe, and is probably analyzable by folks good at that sort of thing. While figuring out the real identity of the allegorical characters may be an interesting and fruitful endeavor, this is not my task. (2) Abe Greenbaum number two is not necessarily a person, he/it is a 12-letter coded puzzle. Apart from the literary content, there is this second level to Richard’s letter to Arturo, and the letter appears to be a treasure trove of Richard’s letter/number anagram puzzles, puzzles that can be solved using the same methods needed for solving his assassination era puzzle collection, puzzles created to tell us about Nagell and his crew’s participation in, and attempted sabotaging of, the assassination. My task, then, is solving Abe Greenbaum number two, and he/it may have little or no relation to Abe Greenbaum number one." Later, Tom

Hi David, You wrote: “Tom - it’s a toss-up as to whether Nagell’s hermeneutics are literary of numerical.” In my view they’re probably both, but I have only concerned myself with the steganographic number/letter puzzles embedded in the letter, and ignored the letter’s possibly discoverable allegorical meaning. I’ve read Oswald’s Historic maybe a couple of dozen times, and the story it tells is of very little interest to me. My current opinion is that the diary was designed to be a warehouse for “88” puzzles that could be used to validate a puzzle solver’s work. For example, if one got the hypothetical puzzle answer “A HOOVER HIT”. HD-71”, one is being sent to puzzle #71 in the Historic Diary for validation or further information. Diary puzzle #71 might be a couple of benign looking words that anagram to, “YES, J.E.H. CEO”. I made that up so I wouldn’t have to document anything, but my point is that I’m approaching Nagell’s “Dear Arturo” letter as a warehouse of carefully crafted anagram puzzles, and the allegorical story these puzzles are embedded in doesn’t necessarily have to be tied to the puzzles the story is hiding. Strategy wise on Nagell’s part, it would probably be best if story and the puzzles were totally unrelated. And you wrote: “It’s also difficult to dismiss the Kennedy-era tag of Helms as ‘Dirty Dick,’ well-reported in the halls at Langley and the foyers of Georgetown.” I’m sure you’re right, and once again, “Dirty Dick the literary character is not necessarily “Dirty Dick” the letter/number anagram puzzle. Thank you, David, for bringing up this seeming contradiction I had not paid enough attention to. I have edited my introduction on the first post to reflect my narrowed focus on Abe Greenbaum. Below is the transcription of Richard C. Nagell's October 8, 1967 letter to Arturo Verdestein. I added the bracketed numbers to the 32 sections for easy referencing if needed. [1] October 8, 1967 [2] Dear Arturo: [3] I've received both of your letters, dated 9/26 and 10/4, respectively. Still haven't seen hide nor hair of the Equipment Times, though. Does it really advertise the likes of machines that nibble steel at the rate of three feet per minute? Now I know why E. T. wasn't delivered. Should have thought of the reason sooner, last week, when a recent issue of a popular magazine was withdrawn from circulation because it featured a bar-stretching device. Looks like the meticulous inspection-for-microdots-and-sophisticated-cable-arrangement theory will have to be shelved in favor of a more logical premise. Can you imagine the possibilities that E.T.'s next issue might provide to some innate-genius with a penchant for slapping together a facsimile of the Steel Eater, merely by studying the specifications set forth in E.T.? Wow! I can see it now. Built on the Q.T. in the prison library, cranked up and let loose after its christening, like some weird science-fiction monster, easily smashing past 20,000 volumes of Zane Grey, bursting out through the side of the library building, rumbling slowly across the west yard toward the nearest gun tower, bullets bouncing off its impenetrable armor, tear-gas bombs exploding all around it, sirens wailing, bedlam - National Guard called out, still rumbling onward, onward, not to be stopped, finally reaching THE WALL, angry now - completely out of control - spitting gooey blobs of black molten tar at the N.G. Commander running along the top of the wall, now rearing a gigantic head, flashing a single mamouth [sic], keenly-polished incisor, hesitating, momentarily, then suddenly lunging forward, chomping at the wall, bricks and chunks of concrete flying every which way . . . once . . . twice . . and . . through! Daylight on the other side! A gaping hole, 20' x 20', appears out of nowhere . . . . two thousand cons stampeding through, on their way to Sacramento. [4] After perusing your comments about the First Day's reporting of the Great Bank Robbery - random shots, 27 centavos, gambling activities, etc. - I am more convinced than ever that you should see the transcripts of the first and second trial record. As for myself, I've never read either transcript, though I would bet that I could give a fair account of both without much error. I wrote sis again, this time asking her to send everything. [5] Here's a more up-to-date lead on Abe Greenbaum: "Informant F-HC reports subject handed suspected courier forty pieces of silver on 10/21/62 at Laredo, Mexico, for delivery to nuclear physicist residing in house on 92nd Street, New York City. S/A B. O. Schernnn, Washington, D.C. Field Office, reports subject seen 11/28/62 walking east on Beacon Street, constantly checking for tail, suddenly dashing into parked limousine sporting U.S.S.R. Embassy license plates, which speeds away, runs red light, terminating surveillance as Agent Schernnn forced to brake bicycle to avoid breaking the law. Informant F-111-B reports subject and suspected courier observed at King's Tavern, Wilmington, Del. on 12/6/62, paying for drinks with strange-looking silver dollars taken from bulging briefcase carried by subject. Subject now suspected of being Mr. Big in Communist plot to disrupt U.S. economy by flooding country with hard cash. /s/ I.M. NEVERWRONG, SAIC, D.C. LAIR." [6] Or, we could furnish Mr. Xerox an even more up-to-date lead, of somewhat different vintage: [7] Abe Greenbaum, long suspected leftist is actually confirmed rightist, in deep cover, working plausible denial bit with one of nation's leading and best-financed foreign policy-making firms. He is driving along highway not far from Langley, Va., peering intently out of jagged hole in windshield of his Volkswagen, searching for sign bearing acronym "BPR". Date is November 21, 1963. BPR-Bureau of Public Roads-is innocuous designation used by Abe's firm. "Gee, the Chief must be upset about something," Abe mutters to self, "he used a rock this time instead of the ol' soap-the-windshield trick." Purposefully cruising past BPR sign, Abe makes U-turn in center of highway, barely missed by Fruehauf semi-trailer, then turns right onto road leading to firm's Main Office Building. "Must not be seen making left turn this close to headquarters," Abe mutters. Arriving at destination, Abe circles Main Office Building five times, finally enters parking lot abutting wooded area to right rear of building, drives to extreme right end of lot, parks Volkswagen on right side of firm's undercover utility truck, disguised with Bell Telephone Company markings. Sliding across right-hand seat, he exits from right door of auto, walking long distance to right rear entrance of Main Office Building which is draped with high Quonset-hut type roof. "Hello there," Abe mutters as he slips by uniformed guard he recognizes as Soviet defector, former KGB light colonel. Abe proceeds down mile-long, musty-smelling corridor, pauses under tiny, inconspicuous replica of firm's seal which is painted upside-down on right wall, notices that Bald Eagle's beak on seal is pointing to far left. "Must tell Chief Bald Eagle looking wrong way," mutters Abe. He then takes elevator to fourth floor, goes directly to Chief's office, raps out coded knock on unmarked door, enters. Chief is reclining in swivel-chair with feet on desk, arms folded, sleeping. On desk Abe sees torn-up typewritten letter addressed to CHIEF, DIVISION OF DIRTY TRICKS, signed by B. KNOWNOTHING. Chief is balding, slender man, oft referred to by underlings as "Dirty Dick", albeit behind back. "What's up, Chief?" asks Abe. Chief blinks eyes, opens them, snaps, "I see you got my message!" Chief smiles. "What's with this guy Osborne recruited for Fair Play Caper? XYZ man claims he's being used for wet affair by team we sold out at Cochina Bay." Abe shifts weight to left foot, uncomfortably. "Don't know, Chief," he mutters, "Ozzie seems like good man for penetration of target." Chief stands and yawns, grins slyly. . "Well, just the same you'd better contact Tidbit and have him execute alternate . . . plan." Abe stares at Chief with knowing-look. "Right, Chief, I'll get on it . . . first thing Monday morning." Abe picks up cloak and dagger conveniently lying on desk, turns to leave, stops dead in tracks. "Incidentally, Chief, Bald Eagle on firm's seal is pointing left." Chief grins, sits down in swivel chair, leans back, puts feet on desk, clasps hands behind head, closes eyes. "Really?" He says. Soon Chief is snoring. Abe departs, returns to Volkswagen, worried about jagged hole in windshield. Mutters to self, "Gee, I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow." [8] Of course, this lead is utter fiction too, a figment of the imagination . . . still, it may make interesting reading for somebody. [9] Are you aware that a Duesseldorf record company has come out with just the thing for any German who wants to relive the heady days of Nazi victory? It is two long-playing phonograph records called, "From the Fuehrer's Headquarters (Aus dem Fuehrerhauptquartier)." Billed as documentary records, they are comprised of victory announcements and special bulletins from the Nazi high command, military music and soldier's songs, Nazi songs and speeches. A booming voice discloses the Nazis are fighting for the German nation and the security of Europe "against the . . . plot of the Jewish-Anglo Saxon warmongers . . . and against the . . . Jewish rulers of the Bolshevik central in Moscow." [10] (Now where did he get that? What does all this gobbledygook mean, anyway? Could this be an important lead? . . . I mean there is this thing about doing business with the Military-Industrial Complex, you know.) [11] Seriously, Arturo, I had better give with a plausible lead on this Abe Greenbaum fella, in spite of this business about plausible denial, or "they" are liable to drop his name from my approved correspondents list. That would be catastrophic, considering that he is the only other person besides sis who is so approved. And the lead had best not sound too cryptic either, or "they" might ship #83286 [Nagell's prisoner number] back to the Funny Farm . . . you know, for more "treatment." [12] So let's try again: [13] Young Regent of Yanquis Land is visiting "Little D" to plug for assistant who is fast losing popularity amongst ultra-conservative proletariat of Friendship Province. Date is well-remembered date in fall of '63. Young Regent is hated by proponents of Secret War (and by director of large pharmaceutical combine specializing in manufacture of cyanide capsules) because word is out he intends to decree of clandestine operations of various Yanquis Land spook outfits, citing as reasons that regime's continued reliance on covert methods of achieving political goals widens faith-in-government gap, is corrosive to principles of democracy, etc., especially when spooks get caught in the act. Young Regent feels one spook outfit in particular is exceeding bounds of propriety, has expanded narrow function delegated it by International Security Act of '47 . . . is becoming TOO POWERFUL . . is unduly influencing both foreign and DOMESTIC policy by its shenanigans . . . thus, must have nefarious activities at home and abroad throttled, or at least have them restricted to endeavors which cannot be accomplished by other, more acceptable means. BANG! BANG! BANG! Young Regent no longer Regent of Yanquis land. Clandestine operations of spook outfits not curtailed. Cyanide capsule market flourishing. Too Powerful One getting MORE POWERFUL . . . [14] What has all this got to do with Abe Greenbaum? ANSWER: Nothing. Is it a plausible lead? ANSWER: Not very. [15] Wait! [16] Before visit to Little D, Young Regent also thinking of effecting rapprochement with Isle of Cuber, establishing nicer rapport with Isle of Cuber's Big Mother Busher. Strange! . . . Young Regent of Isle of Cuber also thinking of effecting rapprochement with Yanquis Land, establishing nicer rapport with Yanquis Land's Big Doctrine, Monroe. [17] How nice! [18] Feelers put out by both Young Regents through "private" channels in July '63, then quasi-official channels in August '63, through "official" channels in September '63. [19] Meanwhile, anti-Castor Oilers known as Bravo Club gets wind of feelers . . . doesn't like smell . . . nohow! There is huddle. There is chant: "Remember Cochina Bay! - Remember Cochina Bay! Soon there is talk (louder than '62 talk) of giving Young Regent of Yanquis Land Xmas present . . . yo! . . . gonna brow that out to keep situation status quo (at worst) . . . to change status quo for worse (at best). [20] Patsy is needed! She is pro-Castor Oiler well-known to Bravo Club. Two Bravo members speak to Patsy, convince her they are boyfriends, buy her Cuber Liber Cocktail (minus rum), get her drunk on glory, tell her they are special emissaries to Yanquis Land personally by Young Regent of Isle of Cuber to give Xmas present to Young Regent of Yanquis Land . . . have "chosen" Patsy to help deliver Xmas present. Will be furnished Safe Conduct Pass to Isle of Cuber by Embassy in Mexico City. Will be given proper treatment on arrival. Oh, joy! Will live happily ever after. Can Patsy join Xmas Present Committee now? [21] Uh-uh! Not yet. First must prove self deserving of great honor. Must set up Chapter of Foul Ploy for Isle of Cuber, must stand on street corner . . . pass out pro-Castor Oil tracts, must appear on TV . . . root for Castor Oil products, must rumble with anti-Castor Oil salesman. Above all, must not mention Xmas Present Caper to anybody, not even husband, Ivan. [22] Meanwhile, Single-Man named "Snerd" gets wind of Xmas Present Caper and going-on at Bravo Club. Snerd is Isle of Cuber's Big Mother Busher's illegitimate son. Snerd gets in touch with Double-Man Abe Greenbaum, working in deep cover at BPR, Division of Dirty Tricks, as Rightist. Actually, Abe is Leftist-turned Middlist. Middlist Abe contacts Triple-Man Zero, sitting on ice because has burned butt. Triple-Man Zero instructed to join Delta Club, which is affiliate of Bravo Club, find out if things real. Zero does just that, craftily, in guise of crossbow expert. Discovers Patsy undergoing hypnotherapy by ex-ferry pilot named Hairy De Fairy. Reports to Abe things are for real, yes siree! Abe passes info on to Dirty Dick (and Snerd). Snerd passes info on to Big Mother Busher. Somebody flashes word back for Zero to let go with well-aimed arrow in Patsy's rump . . . leave Yanquis Land, hubba hubba! Zero chickens out day he is to arrow Patsy, six days before Xmas present to be delivered. Pens Abe nasty note. Pens Snerd nastier note. Pens Dirty Dick even nastier note. Also pens note to Boss of Yanquis Land's Main Secret Police Bureau, tattles on Xmas Present Caper, tattles on Patsy, etc. Burns butt again. Searches in vain for cake of ice to sit on. Winds up in Friendship Province Halfway House. [23] End of lead? Not hardly. [24] Apparently something amiss. Xmas Present Caper does not come off per schedule. Delta Club disintegrates. Bravo Club Xmas Present Committee disintegrates. Abe drops out of sight. Dirty Dick is mum. Snerd crawls back inside Big Mother Busher's womb, dies. De Fairy puts on falseface, hides at 3330 Clubhouse, gets whipped. Director of large pharmaceutical combine gives order for increased production of cyanide capsules. Boss of Main Secret Police Bureau sits in office, drums fingers on desk, waits. Zero is still in Friendship Province Halfway House, getting older . . . if not wiser. [25] End of lead? . . . Not hardly. [26] Day of Infamy arrives! Patsy crouched at open window, armed with second-hand crossbow, quiver filled with curare-tipped arrows slung across shoulder. ZIP! ZIP! ZIP! BANG! ZIP! BANG! ZIP! BANG! [27] End of lead? . . . Not hardly. [28] Patsy awakens from hypnotic trance. Says, "What am I doing here?" Wonders what cyanide capsule is doing clenched between teeth? Wonders what cloak and dagger is doing on window sill? Wonders why floor of room is lettered with pro-Castor Oil pamphlets? Wonders how chicken bones got in lunch pail? Memory returns. Patsy flees. Refuses ride by former Bravo boyfriend driving by in utility truck bearing Bell Telephone Company markings. Catches bus instead. [29] End of lead? . . . Not hardly. [30] Patsy has gone her way. De Fairy has gone his way. One former Bravo boyfriend now living vicinity M. Cyanide capsule market still flourishing. Dirty Dick promoted within superstructure of BPR . . . is still mum. Snerd reborn as "Terd". Abe Greenbaum has changed name, retired, resides in mansion protected by pack of snarling German Shepherds, disappears for one hour each night in vault to count huge pile of American silver dollars. Boss of Yanquis Land Main Secret Police Bureau has four-year old secret . . . but is relaxed. Zero out of Friendship Province Halfway House . . . is now in Old Triple-Man's Home for Aged. More Powerful One now MOST POWERFUL (evidently). End of lead? . . . Not hardly. End of letter? . . . yes. [31] Most sincerely yours, [32] Richard C Nagell

Hi David, Thanks for your response. As I indicated in my introduction, Nagell’s letter to Arturo, to me at least, is a puzzle on two levels. It’s a literary puzzle and an anagram/number puzzle. And I’m not sure at this point if the two levels of this puzzle are necessarily related, in fact I suspect they are not. You’re both a writer and a researcher and I’ll defer to you, and others with those talents and abilities, on the literary aspects. In addition to the Abe Greenbaum puzzle, other anagram puzzles in the letter appear to be calling attention to some of Nagell’s big stunts surrounding the assassination. And by 1967, many of those stunts had gone unnoticed or fallen down the memory hole altogether. The Irving Nixie package, for example, was not generally known about until 1967 when Sylvia Meagher found a reference to it buried in the Warren Report. It would be several more years before anyone finally saw a photo of the package and its label. In Nagell’s literary puzzle, “Dirty Dick” may well be indicating Dick Helms, but in Nagell’s letter/number play, Dirty Dick is someone else entirely. Richard Nagell, in my view, was a master at “Steganography”, and the advantage of this puzzle/art form is that the intended secret message does not attract attention to itself as an object of scrutiny - the message is disguised as ordinary discourse, a letter, or a diary, or a package label, or a shopping list, etc. If you are able to decipher the identities of Abe Greenbaum, Dirty Dick, and others in Nagell’s alegory, I am pleased to hear and consider your views. But the identities of those same individuals in the steganographic/puzzle sense may be entirely different. We may have apples and oranges. Tom

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This thread is an attempt to answer one aspect, one half if you will, of James DiEugenio's question, "Who is Abe Greenbaum?" There are two levels to the Richard C. Nagell letter under discussion, and there may be, and very likely are, two “Abe Greenbaums”: (1) Abe Greenbaum number one is the mystery character in Richard C. Nagell’s October 8, 1967 letter to his friend Arturo Verdestein. On this first level, Richard’s letter appears to be a literary puzzle, an allegorical farce maybe, and is probably analyzable by folks good at that sort of thing. While figuring out the real identity of the allegorical characters may be an interesting and fruitful endeavor, this is not my task. (2) Abe Greenbaum number two is not necessarily a person, he/it is a 12-letter coded puzzle. Apart from the literary content, there is this second level to Richard’s letter to Arturo, and the letter appears to be a treasure trove of Richard’s letter/number anagram puzzles, puzzles that can be solved using the same methods needed for solving his assassination era puzzle collection, puzzles created to tell us about Nagell and his crew’s participation in, and attempted sabotaging of, the assassination. My task, then, is solving Abe Greenbaum number two, and he/it may have little or no relation to Abe Greenbaum number one. Richard C. Nagell’s puzzle system fits the definition of “Steganography”, a special category of cryptography. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography A short statement of my general hypothesis is in footnote #1. A transcription of the Richard C. Nagell/Abe Greenbaum letter can be read at the link below: https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-private-correspondence-of-richard-case-nagell Richard Nagell’s anagram puzzles use both letters and numbers (“Gematria”), and Richard chose the simplest and most complete method for translating letters to numbers and vice versa: (A=0)(B=1)(C=2)(D=3)(E=4)(F=5)(G=6)(H=7)(I=8)(J=9)(K=10)(L=11)(M=12)(N=13)(O=14)(P=15)(Q=16)(R=17)(S=18)(T=19)(U=20)(V=21)(W=22)(X=23)(Y=24)(Z=25) There appear to be two topics in the “Abe Greenbaum” letter/number puzzle, “W Guy Banister”, and the “Irving Nixie package label”. As we will see, the two topics are related, as the address line of the label, “601 West Nassaus St”, will rather easily puzzle out to: “E: W.G. BANISTER ASSASSINATE”. “E” is the puzzle symbol for the assassination. Now that you know the ending, I’ll start at the beginning so those so inclined can follow along. “Abe Greenbaum” is 12 letters, and the first step is to look at the initials of the name and the initials of the three syllables, The name initials are: “A G” The initials of the three syllables are: “A GB” Here is our first indication that Guy Banister might be a topic. When we translate the three letters, “A GB”, to numbers, they can anagram to this: “601” The label on the Irving Nixie package reads: For Lee Oswald 601 West Nassaus St Dallas Texas Irving Texas A photo of the Irving Nixie label is at the bottom of the post, and there is a quality problem with the extant Nixie photos that I discuss in footnote #2. We can notice that the address line, “601 West Nassaus St”, contains 16 characters, and there is a total 44 characters in the complete address, 33 on the label itself, and 11 letters written below the label. Next we’ll make our first anagram of “Abe Greenbaum”: “e.g. A ABE NUMBER” Since Abe Lincoln was the 16th President of the US, an obvious possible meaning for “Abe Number” might be “16”. Nagell’s puzzles are full of double entendres, and we’ve noticed that the “601” address line on the label is “16” characters, but we should also consider that the puzzle maker now wants us to make a 16-letter version of Abe Greenbaum: “ABRAHAM GREENBAUM” This new 16-letter version anagrams to: “AH! A ABE NUMBERGRAM” And “Abraham Greenbaum” anagrams to: “ABE, ANAGRAMMER HUB” Once we’ve received this information from the 16-letter version of the name, the final anagram of “Abraham Greenbaum” is going to tell us to go back and use the short version: “Re: ABE HUB, ANAGRAM 12” Returning to the 12-letter “Abe Greenbaum”, the next anagram is: “A G.B. NUMBER: A 44” In Richard Nagell’s puzzle system, the name for the Irving Nixie package label is the “44”, but it’s sometimes called the “Sew”, or the “601”. I’ve always regarded the label as the Rosetta Stone of Nagell’s puzzle methods. Here are some pertinent anagrams of “Abe Greenbaum”: “44 NUMBER: A 601” "A 601-44 NUMBER" “A 44 NUMBER, A G.B.” Before continuing with W.G. Banister and the address line of the “44” Irving Nixie package label, I’ll briefly mention a couple of related items on the label. As we saw with the syllable initials of “Abe Greenbaum, “A G.B.”, the beginning of a Nagell/Vaganov puzzle usually gives the puzzle solver an important hint to the puzzle’s solution. Again, here’s how the 44 letters of the Nixie package label read: For Lee Oswald 601 West Nassaus St Dallas Texas Irving Texas The first word on the label is “FOR”, and this is a hint. The letters in the word “FOR” translate to “5”, “14”, and, “17”. The 5th letter on the label is “E”, the 14th is “A”, and the 17th is “E”. Translating two of the letters to numbers, we have this anagram: “A 44” Related topic: “Irving Texas” is written below the label, and many have thought that the Post Office must have written this in. But I submit that these 11 letters are a part of the originally designed Nagell/Vaganov puzzle, and the puzzle is worthless without “Irving Texas” being included. Now for an anagram of those 11 letters, “Irving Texas”: “IV’S ART NIXES G” This is apparently a double entendre, as Igor Vaganov’s art is intended to nix Guy. Another meaning of the anagram above, would be for us to get rid of the “G” in this puzzle temporarily, and make the following anagram of “Irving Texas”: “V’S NIXIE ART” Okay, with that out of the way, we can get back to the address line, “601 West Nassaus St”, and when the “601” is translated to letters, our address line looks like this: “GAB WEST NASSAUS ST” We don’t have a good photo of the package label, and I will talk about this in footnote #1. But as you can see, there appear to be many extra letters embedded in the Nixie label. Notice the “Delta” symbol in the upper left corner, the strange collection of “Os” in “Oswald”, and the very odd “W” in the word “West”. Sticking with the address line, the “W” in “West” has four additional letters in it: a large lowercase “n” attached to the left wing of the “W”, a lowercase “r” penned over the top of that large “n”, a lowercase “i” forming the middle of the “W” and set off slightly with erasures, and this “i” is dotted with a tiny lowercase “e”. Next, the “U” in “Nassaus” can easily be regarded as the letters “i e”, and notice that the “i” is even dotted. The “t” in “St” at the end of the address line has a small capital “A” perched horizontally across its vertical portion. So to sum up so far, in this puzzle we have the “W” with some tag-along letters: “NRIE”, a “T” with a tag-along “A”, and a “U” which is really an “IE”, and our original 16-letter puzzle wants to be turned into a 22-letter puzzle. Here are a batch of instructional anagrams of the original 16 letters, “GAB West Nassaus St”: “A 22 Stunt: Assess a 16” “W/T tags, assess/ban U” “A 22’s Tags, best sans U” “‘St’ saga 22 best, sans ‘U’” “Assess W/T tags, ban U” There are other instructional anagrams of “GAB West Nassaus St” - try your hand. We will anagram our new and improved collection of 22 letters in a minute, but first let’s look at the letters we just added. They are, “R, N, I, E, I, E, A”, and all by themselves, these translate and anagram to”: “A RN 44 88” “Historic Diary”, as you may recall, anagrams to “Richard’s ’88’ Toy”, and there are “88” puzzles in Oswald’s Historic Diary, “44” bracketed in quotation marks, and “44” bracketed in parentheses. The complete list of “88” can be found in my June 25, 2014 post at the link below: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/20276-the-oswald-code/?page=1&_fromLogin=1&_fromLogout=1 Now then, when we add these extra embedded letters, “RNIEIEA” to the original address line, sans the “U”, we can make the intended final 22-letter anagram: “E: W.G. BANISTER ASSASSINATE” And as pointed out earlier, the letter “E” is the puzzle designation for the assassination. I’ve tried to make this post as simple and painless as possible, but in the process I’ve ignored other interesting puzzle side trips. I’m putting one small side trip in footnote #3. In my next post, we’ll try to figure out who “Dirty Dick” is. Tom Footnote #1: ICO" stands for "Igor", "Case", and, "Oswald", and my hypothesis is that Richard Case Nagell, first working for Army Intelligence, and later the CIA, appears to have spent as long as six years running a pair of under-cover low-level look-alikes in a secret CIA operation. They were Lee Harvey Oswald and a man who went by the name of "Igor Vladimirs Vaganov" (I believe this name was cut from whole cloth, a puzzle creation of Richard Nagell's). All three men eventually got tangled up in the assassination plans of Ferrie/Banister/Phillips/Hoover/Dulles, and it's my belief that Nagell became ethically appalled at what he saw on the horizon for his crew, himself, his president, and his country. So while pretending and appearing to follow orders to the letter, the ICO group both tried to prevent the assassination, and intentionally sabotaged the framing of Oswald as the patsy. To further their ends, ICO created a huge system of letter/number anagram puzzles to chronicle their activities and their enigmatic sabotaging stunts. ICO had two civilian recruits, Buell Wesley Frazier, and Jerry B Belknap. In part, Wesley appears to have been chosen because of his name's anagram possibilities, and where his sister lived. Richard Nagell and Igor Vaganov were the genius puzzle makers, and their work appears to have been at least partially created for our benefit. Footnote #2: Back in 2010, several of us on the forum had a long discussion about the Irving Nixie package and its label. At the time, we were using an okay copy of a closeup of the label, one of two photographs that Fred Newcomb and Perry Adams had taken at the National Archives around 1970. Gary Murr had posted the closeup and a short article on a web page entitled, “The Undeliverable Package”. Several of us on the forum noticed the many extra letters and other fine details were embedded in label and decided that the label was probably a work of photographic craftsmanship, that the detail work had been created in large scale and then reduced to look like an ordinary and carelessly handwritten package label. We went looking for a better copy of the label. Lee Farley contacted the archives and was told that the package was either misplaced or lost altogether. I contacted Fred Newcomb’s son, Tyler, and had some pleasant email exchanges, but he was unable to locate his father’s original photo, even though he’d recently published his father’s book, “Murder from Within”, which included a marginal copy of the Nixie package label and Newcomb’s take on the meaning of the package. Since I was studying the photo that was posted by Gary Murr, I usually linked to it in my posts, and took screenshots of the details I wanted to discuss. Then months later, I looked back and not only had all of my posted photos disappeared, so had Gary’s web page photo. The bottom line is, the label photo I posted today is shadow of its former self, and if anyone knows of a better version of the closeup of the label, I for one would like to know about it. And yes I know there are good photos of the package itself, but that photo was apparently taken with high contrast film and the fine details were washed away. Footnote #3: Richard C. Nagell and Igor Vladimirs Vaganov made anagram puzzles, but they also made good use of “Isograms”. An isogram removes all of the multiple letters in a piece of discourse, and ICO often called this the “Onion”. The word “onion” turned into an isogram would become, “ONI”, for example. Here’s an isogram instruction inside of at totally fictitous name, “IGOR VLADIMIRS VAGANOV”, which anagrams to: “A GRAND ISOGRAM: IVOVLIV” And when we remove the multiple letters from the end as indicated, we are left with: “A GRAND ISOGRAM: LO IV” The ICO twins, Lee Oswald and Igor Vaganov. Recall that “Irving Texas” in the post above anagrammed to “V’S NIXIE ART” once the “G” temporarily removed, “Igor Vladimirs Vaganov” also anagrams to: “MR. VV, A GOOD IRVING ALIAS” Here are some bonus anagrams of “Igor Vladimirs Vaganov”: “MR VV RAN SILVIA ODIO GAG” “A LO DRIVING ORGASM, A IVV” (Red Mercury Comet anyone?) “R’S VIVID ANAGRAM LOGO: IV” “IV” is the Roman Number “4”, which translates to “E”, ICO’s symbol for the assassination - as in “E: W.G. BANISTER ASSASSINATE”. This post asks, and attempts to answer, the question, “Who is Abe Greenbaum?” “ABE GREENBAUM” turned into an isogram is: “A 12/16 RUNE” Recall that the puzzle started with the 12-letter “Abe Greenbaum”, but then temporarily changed to a 16-letter puzzle. One dictionary definition of “RUNE” is, “A letter of mysterious or magic significance”. Our final answer in the post above was, “E: W.G. BANISTER ASSASSINATE”. Turned into an isogram, that final answer becomes: “W.G. BANISTER”

I only read this thread this morning, so I’m new here. Glenn wrote: “who the hell promotes a book by telling people its "ending???" why the hell would he do that?” While I sort-of agree with the substance and intent of Glenn’s questions, my favorite author, Kurt Vonnegut, wrote this: “Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages.” In an interview years ago, I heard Vonnegut say, and I hope I’m quoting him correctly, “Screw suspense - tell the ending at the beginning.” I like and read a fair number of mystery and science fiction novels, and very few writers organize their work like Vonnegut, but thanks to Paul, we might know where Mr Touzellier’s story is headed. Before I slogged through Steven King’s “11/22/63”, I had heard what the ending was going to be, but I read it anyway. Had I been introduced to King at, say, a cocktail party on the evening I finished the book, furious, I just might have told him that I loved time-travel stories, and that I thought he’d written 849 pages of pure garbage. I’ve cooled down since. I read Mr Touzellier’s free 10 chapters, and had I’d known nothing about the book beforehand, I would have said, “This is a page-turner. I need to read this in one sitting.” But while I’m willing to dip into “lone nut” treatises by “reputable” researchers, I think “lone nut” fiction is a waste of my time. However, I’ve just put in a request at my local library for Mr Touzellieer’s book because of something Paul wrote: “I think Tom Hume would be the one to ask whether the author has contributed anything to the study of Oswald’s name and alias, and the various notes he scribbled in his notebook or phone book.” I don’t know if you were being facetious, Paul, but I’m interested to see if Lionel mentions any of the things I’ve been stumbling over for the last few years. Off topic: David Andrews, I think your EF mailbox is full. I lost your email address in my last computer crash, and if you PM it to me we might communicate that way.

Hi Tracy, I might have caused us to drift into the realm of rumors here, and maybe someone else will clear this up. I exchanged emails with David today, on a completely different topic, and he said that he had been “...booted from the EF....” But maybe that was just a figure of speech on David’s part, I don’t know. The term "economical" could be used to describe some of David's discourse, and it's certainly possible that David's current forum problem is more nuanced than I understand. At any rate, one might want to re-read the entire thread and notice the tone of the responses to David’s apparent mistake. There are some sterling people on this forum, and some no longer here, that, had they caught the apparent fact that the thread’s signature photo depicted a relatively obscure and unexpected measuring stick, a surveyor’s stick divided into tenths of a foot as opposed to inches, would have come up with a better, more helpful response: Fill in the blank.... But "good catch", Lance. I'll bow out of this discussion. Happy Holidays all. Tom

Hi Bernie, I have a great deal of respect for David, and I take him at his word. Tom